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Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1381 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:07 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I think this would be a decent deal to look at.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgoyulw

Wiz, get Gallanari and Faried
Kings get NENE
Denver gets, Landry and Thompson along with, the kings 8th pick.

Now it might take some little stuff to sweeten the deal, but its not the most outrageous s deal i've ever heard of either.


If Sacto is willing to give up the #8 for Nene, I jump on that even if I have to take Landry/Thompson.

Then again, if Denver would give up Faried+Gallo for the #8+contracts, I would imagine would simply make that deal straight up and leave us out of it..
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1382 » by Dark Faze » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:30 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I think this would be a decent deal to look at.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgoyulw

Wiz, get Gallanari and Faried
Kings get NENE
Denver gets, Landry and Thompson along with, the kings 8th pick.

Now it might take some little stuff to sweeten the deal, but its not the most outrageous s deal i've ever heard of either.


Hmm, not sure if Denver is willing to part with two of their three best players for #8 unless a guy like Randle falls.

I do like the idea of trying to fascilitate a trade involving Nene with the Kings though. They need a veteran presence along with a playmaker. I just don't think I'd make that deal if I'm Denver though.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1383 » by payitforward » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:02 pm

Wow... a lot of dreaming here about what we could get for Nene!

Don't you think other GMs see that he plays 1500 minutes a year for $13m?? Or that they see the continuing decline in his productivity over several years?

When you want to trade away a problem, you don't usually get a solution in return. You usually get a different problem.

Despite Hands saying that people are "obsessed" w/ getting rid of Nene for nothing but cap space, that would likely be the very thing we'd want (given that no one is trading quality players who play a lot of minutes for Nene).

We've seen a proposed trade of Asik, Lin and Motiejunas for Nene and Webster. That would be great, but Morey isn't handing out Christmas gifts to the Wizards right now.

We've also seen a proposed trade of Varejao and Jack for Nene. That too would be great but isn't going to happen. Unless the Cleveland GM (who's in the revolving door right now -- Gilbert?) is an idiot.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1384 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:10 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I do like the idea of trying to fascilitate a trade involving Nene with the Kings though. They need a veteran presence along with a playmaker.


How about this:

Wizards trade: Nene
Wizards receive: Ilyasova and Thompson

Kings trade: Thompson and Terry
Kings receive: Nene

Bucks trade: Ilyasova
Bucks receive: Terry

TRADE ID 6457326

Gives the Kings a vet big to try to take the next step, and saves the Bucks a ton of money while opening up frontcourt minutes for their other young talents. We get PF depth, one that's a shooter and the other that's a rebounder. Adds a year of longterm salary, but doesn't hurt us in 2015.

Gortat/Gooden
Ilyasova/Thompson
Ariza/Porter
Beal/Webster
Wall/Miller

And we still might have other options with Webster/Miller, as we've already discussed.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1385 » by fishercob » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:17 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:I do like the idea of trying to fascilitate a trade involving Nene with the Kings though. They need a veteran presence along with a playmaker.


How about this:

Wizards trade: Nene
Wizards receive: Ilyasova and Thompson

Kings trade: Thompson and Terry
Kings receive: Nene

Bucks trade: Ilyasova
Bucks receive: Terry

TRADE ID 6457326

Gives the Kings a vet big to try to take the next step, and saves the Bucks a ton of money while opening up frontcourt minutes for their other young talents. We get PF depth, one that's a shooter and the other that's a rebounder. Adds a year of longterm salary, but doesn't hurt us in 2015.

Gortat/Gooden
Ilyasova/Thompson
Ariza/Porter
Beal/Webster
Wall/Miller

And we still might have other options with Webster/Miller, as we've already discussed.


Not bad, Rico. If this is the best we could do, I'd do it.

I don't love Thompson's $2.65M guarantee in 16-17 though. If we cut him and Ersan to clear space for a big piece, that's $3M in dead money.

Still, I think this ends up helping us on the floor immediately and positioning us better long term.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1386 » by fishercob » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:28 pm

payitforward wrote:Wow... a lot of dreaming here about what we could get for Nene!

Don't you think other GMs see that he plays 1500 minutes a year for $13m?? Or that they see the continuing decline in his productivity over several years?

When you want to trade away a problem, you don't usually get a solution in return. You usually get a different problem.

Despite Hands saying that people are "obsessed" w/ getting rid of Nene for nothing but cap space, that would likely be the very thing we'd want (given that no one is trading quality players who play a lot of minutes for Nene).

We've seen a proposed trade of Asik, Lin and Motiejunas for Nene and Webster. That would be great, but Morey isn't handing out Christmas gifts to the Wizards right now.

We've also seen a proposed trade of Varejao and Jack for Nene. That too would be great but isn't going to happen. Unless the Cleveland GM (who's in the revolving door right now -- Gilbert?) is an idiot.


I think a potentially realistic Nene trade could be with Portland:

Nene for Thomas Robinson, Dorrell Wright, and Joel Freeland. I doubt we pilfer Leonard or McCollum, but you never know.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1387 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 12:45 am

fishercob wrote:I think a potentially realistic Nene trade could be with Portland:

Nene for Thomas Robinson, Dorrell Wright, and Joel Freeland. I doubt we pilfer Leonard or McCollum, but you never know.

I LIKE this idea. The only minor hangup is that we'd have to decide on Robinson's 2016 team option THIS summer. That kind of sucks but c'est la vie. At least we dump Nene a year early while actually adding a few stopgap guys that can play. It sure beats Nene for Bargnani or Perkins.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1388 » by fishercob » Fri Jun 6, 2014 1:09 am

nate33 wrote:
fishercob wrote:I think a potentially realistic Nene trade could be with Portland:

Nene for Thomas Robinson, Dorrell Wright, and Joel Freeland. I doubt we pilfer Leonard or McCollum, but you never know.

I LIKE this idea. The only minor hangup is that we'd have to decide on Robinson's 2016 team option THIS summer. That kind of sucks but c'est la vie. At least we dump Nene a year early while actually adding a few stopgap guys that can play. It sure beats Nene for Bargnani or Perkins.


Thanks nate! Robinson isn't anything special or close. But he's just barely 23 and a DC native. Picking up that option might not be the worst risk.

I like it for Portland. Nene shores up their frontcourt and can play with either Lopez or Aldridge. They were 2nd in the league in offense and 16th in D', so Nene should help them where they need it. They don't give up anyone important and still have the MLE to use and can stay under the tax line. With some luck and health, they could make a deep run.

Nene's salary doesn't get in the way of any of their long term plans either.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1389 » by mhd » Fri Jun 6, 2014 2:15 am

nate33 wrote:
fishercob wrote:I think a potentially realistic Nene trade could be with Portland:

Nene for Thomas Robinson, Dorrell Wright, and Joel Freeland. I doubt we pilfer Leonard or McCollum, but you never know.

I LIKE this idea. The only minor hangup is that we'd have to decide on Robinson's 2016 team option THIS summer. That kind of sucks but c'est la vie. At least we dump Nene a year early while actually adding a few stopgap guys that can play. It sure beats Nene for Bargnani or Perkins.



I think Portland wants to upgrade their bench bigtime. Nene would certainly give them a really solid 3-big rotation with LA & Lopez (Leonard would be the 4th big).

The problem is that Mo Williams is a FA, and they need McCollum to be a valuable 6th man next year. They also need a backup wing player (perhaps that is Allen Crabbe).

I'd do the deal, but I think it weakens Portland's bench, especially if they can't resign Mo Williams. What about making it a 3-way, where Robinson is sent to Philly, and James Anderson goes to Portland? We save more money, Portland gets a couple of big upgrades, and Philly takes a chance on Robinson.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1390 » by thricethefun » Fri Jun 6, 2014 3:08 am

I still think Nene for Perkins + Adams would be best for both teams.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1391 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 3:28 am

thricethefun wrote:I still think Nene for Perkins + Adams would be best for both teams.

That would be awesome for us, but I think you're being too greedy. I don't see OKC giving up Adams to facilitate a Perkins for Nene swap. Maybe they give up Perry Jones or the #29 pick or something, but not Adams.

Heck, after giving up Perkins, they would truly NEED Adams. Nene can't, by himself, cover the minutes that were covered last season by Perkins and Adams together.
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Post#1392 » by dangermouse » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:03 am

Nene for Perk + #29 sounds good to me. Provided we re-sign Gortat, Gooden and Book.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1393 » by verbal8 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 11:32 am

fishercob wrote:
nate33 wrote:
fishercob wrote:I think a potentially realistic Nene trade could be with Portland:

Nene for Thomas Robinson, Dorrell Wright, and Joel Freeland. I doubt we pilfer Leonard or McCollum, but you never know.

I LIKE this idea. The only minor hangup is that we'd have to decide on Robinson's 2016 team option THIS summer. That kind of sucks but c'est la vie. At least we dump Nene a year early while actually adding a few stopgap guys that can play. It sure beats Nene for Bargnani or Perkins.


Thanks nate! Robinson isn't anything special or close. But he's just barely 23 and a DC native. Picking up that option might not be the worst risk.


I think the decision on the 2015-6 option would come down to 2015-6 vs. 2016-7 cap space. $4.6 million in 2015-6 is probably a bit of an overpay, but it means nothing is committed in 2016-7. Because of the "Starting Player Criteria" for Qualifying Offers Robinson will likely only have a QO of $4 million.

If the goal is to do something with cap space in 2015-6, then declining the option is the way to go. He probably can be retained cheaper than $4.6 million in 2015-6, but it requires committing money in future seasons.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1394 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 12:06 pm

verbal8 wrote:
fishercob wrote:
nate33 wrote:I LIKE this idea. The only minor hangup is that we'd have to decide on Robinson's 2016 team option THIS summer. That kind of sucks but c'est la vie. At least we dump Nene a year early while actually adding a few stopgap guys that can play. It sure beats Nene for Bargnani or Perkins.


Thanks nate! Robinson isn't anything special or close. But he's just barely 23 and a DC native. Picking up that option might not be the worst risk.


I think the decision on the 2015-6 option would come down to 2015-6 vs. 2016-7 cap space. $4.6 million in 2015-6 is probably a bit of an overpay, but it means nothing is committed in 2016-7. Because of the "Starting Player Criteria" for Qualifying Offers Robinson will likely only have a QO of $4 million.

If the goal is to do something with cap space in 2015-6, then declining the option is the way to go. He probably can be retained cheaper than $4.6 million in 2015-6, but it requires committing money in future seasons.

Agreed. The way I see it, the whole premise of trading Nene is to acquire cap space for 2015-16. So I would decline his option.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1395 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jun 6, 2014 12:25 pm

thricethefun wrote:I still think Nene for Perkins + Adams would be best for both teams.


I just see absolutely no way that OKC trades Adams. Adams/Ibaka is their FC future.
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Post#1396 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 12:56 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
thricethefun wrote:I still think Nene for Perkins + Adams would be best for both teams.


I just see absolutely no way that OKC trades Adams. Adams/Ibaka is their FC future.

Agreed. And Nene would be the perfect third big to complement them. He's a grizzled vet who would add to the team bball IQ, and he's a back-to-the-basket post option - the one skill that neither Adams nor Ibaka has.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1397 » by thricethefun » Fri Jun 6, 2014 1:17 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
thricethefun wrote:I still think Nene for Perkins + Adams would be best for both teams.


I just see absolutely no way that OKC trades Adams. Adams/Ibaka is their FC future.


I disagree. OKC is in win now mode. They have 2 years left to try to win a championship or Durant walks. And Nene could be the guy to put them over the hump. OKC is in win now mode. I could definitely see them giving up a long term prospect like Adams if it meant getting Nene.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1398 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 6, 2014 2:00 pm

dangermouse wrote:Nene for Perk + #29 sounds good to me. Provided we re-sign Gortat, Gooden and Book.


This is a terrific deal.

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Post#1399 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 2:00 pm

thricethefun wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
thricethefun wrote:I still think Nene for Perkins + Adams would be best for both teams.


I just see absolutely no way that OKC trades Adams. Adams/Ibaka is their FC future.


I disagree. OKC is in win now mode. They have 2 years left to try to win a championship or Durant walks. And Nene could be the guy to put them over the hump. OKC is in win now mode. I could definitely see them giving up a long term prospect like Adams if it meant getting Nene.

As I said before, if they lose both Adams and Perkins in the process of acquiring Nene, it's questionable if they are any better at all. What exactly are they going to do when Nene misses 30 games due to injury? All they would have accomplished is to get older, more expensive, and more injury prone.

Adams is part of their "win now mode". They're not going to trade him unless it's for a full-time, top 10ish starting center, capable of playing 2800 minutes in a season.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1400 » by fishercob » Fri Jun 6, 2014 2:11 pm

In their '13-'14 NBA Preview, Sports Illustrated wrote:"People don't know how close Kevin was to retirement," says Pierce. "He was going to go home [to Malibu]. Boston was his last stop. He was going to play with us, and that was going to be it."


The article recounts how Pierce persuaded KG to join him in Brooklyn and approve a trade from Boston.

A year has passed. Brooklyn had a solid season. They're a good team, but nowhere near elite -- definitely not legit title contenders. They are going to lose Shaun Livingston in free agency. There's a decent chance they lose Andray Blatche. Pierce is a free agent too.

If KG was on the precipice of done a year ago, he's got to be dangling one foot off the edge now. While he can still contribute, his body cannot stand up to the rigors of an 82-game regular season; I cannot imagine he's interested in another regular season grind either.

The most the Nets can offer Blatche is 4 years, $26M -- below market given his age, size and production. Very good chance he's gone, IMO. KG is running on fumes -- the gas light is blinking. Brook Lopez is a very good player, but depending on his health is a risky proposition at best at this point. Plumlee is a good young big, if a bit limited skillwise. Brooklyn needs a big.

I think the Nets plan is to continue to stay good -- hope they can catch a break of health and luck -- and see if they can make a deep run, while keeping their cap as clean as possible for the summer of '16. There have already been stories about how they intend to go hard at Durant (another discussion).

With all that in mind....


Nets trade: Kevin Garnett
Wizards trade: Nene


Why would the Nets do this?
Well, even if KG retires and comes off the books immediately, they still have no cap space. Their best bet to replenish their talent is to trade KG. Nene would fit very well there, could play with any of their other bigs, create matchup problems against other East front courts, etc. This makes the Nets better without hurting their reset plans in two years.

Why would KG agree to this, given his no trade clause?
It enables him to take the next several months off and rest -- then decide if he wants to link up with title contender for another run. Given his home in Malibu, and his love of Doc Rivers, you don't have to squint too hard to imagine him joining the Clips as the 3rd big they desperately need. He'd come back ready and refreshed, perhaps having used some of his time off to tour some of Germany's modern "medical clinics." With Pierce's free agency, he may sign there too.

Why would the Wizards do this?
Instant cap space. They can retain Gortat and Ariza with frontloaded deals that minimize their cap hits next year. It greatly increases their chance of landing a big star to play alongside our young core in the next two years. Nene would be replaced by lower cost, shorter term stopgaps -- all names we have discussed. Talking heads who don't understand basketball would freak out, and the Wizards would be fine. They'd win 45 or 47 games, another playoff series, and then roll into next summer with max cap space, a first round pick, and their best opportunity to build a contender in years.
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