2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

Hardcore6erFan · Post #2921 » by **Hardcore6erFan** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:10 am

I was really hoping for Blark at #10 but looks like he's going to go way before that.

Mik317 · Post #2922 » by **Mik317** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:28 am

Arsenal wrote:Speaking of the Spurs and their beautiful "motion" offense, I think a catalyst for us to be that kind of team might be Dario Saric. Imagine we get Wiggins at #3 and Saric at #10:

PG Carter-Williams / Wroten
SG 3&D guy with 2nd rd pick
SF Wiggins
PF Saric / T. Young
C Noel / Moultrie

A core of MCW, Wiggins, Saric and Noel could be amazing. Just a great mix of length, athleticism, defense, ballhandling and playmaking between those guys.

I am only taking Saric if he comes over this year..yeah we can wait but I rather not get Fran Vasquez'd..

also in that lineup one of MCW, Wiggins and Saric would have to become good shooters for any spacing.

Arsenal · Post #2923 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:37 am

Mik317 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Speaking of the Spurs and their beautiful "motion" offense, I think a catalyst for us to be that kind of team might be Dario Saric. Imagine we get Wiggins at #3 and Saric at #10:

PG Carter-Williams / Wroten
SG 3&D guy with 2nd rd pick
SF Wiggins
PF Saric / T. Young
C Noel / Moultrie

A core of MCW, Wiggins, Saric and Noel could be amazing. Just a great mix of length, athleticism, defense, ballhandling and playmaking between those guys.

I am only taking Saric if he comes over this year..yeah we can wait but I rather not get Fran Vasquez'd..

also in that lineup one of MCW, Wiggins and Saric would have to become good shooters for any spacing.

I'd almost rather Saric wait for 1 or 2 years before coming over. The benefits are:

1) We are worse next year so hopefully get another high lottery pick
2) We stagger our rookie contracts so we don't have to pay him at the same time as we have to pay the #3 pick.

Of course if you think he might never come over that's a different story. I seriously doubt it though. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove he can hang with the best in the world.

As for spacing, I'm sure with our coaching staff we would get MCW, Saric and Wiggins all to improve their shooting. That's also the reason for the 3&D guy to round out the lineup.

76ciology · Post #2924 » by **76ciology** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 4:03 am

With regards to moving up from the 3rd pick..

I think it's really on how you value Jabari vs Wiggins vs Embiid.

The general perception thinks Embiid has HOF level potential, Wiggins can be a superstar or atleast star with high ceiling and Jabari can be a star but has a low ceiling. And if Wiggins and Embiid is taken, I think giving up a high risk guy like lavine or low ceiling guys like Stauskas, Garry Harris or James Young would be worth it to go from a star with low ceiling to a star with a high ceiling or ever for a guy with a HOF talent.

But then if you think that the gap between Jabari and Wiggins is small, then definitely you don't trade up.

My thinking here is that we just go get this locked in mentality of finding our franchise player, at all cost. At all cost, because of the difficulty to finding one. And once we've done that, then that's the time we go find the Lavines or the Stauskas of the NBA at the FA or on some other year's draft.

PhilasFinest · Post #2925 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 4:18 am

Honestly, I think we have the resources with our cap room,Thad and 2nd round picks to get back into the 1st round.

If we think 1 of the big 3 is significantly better than the rest, Id give up 10 to move up.

I like some of the options at 10, but i also think theres depth in the draft, and some of the guys in the mid 1st could end up being as good if not better than some of the likely options at 10

You could sell me on McDaniels,Robinson III, Payne,Hariston etc just as much as Stauskas,LaVine.

snoopdogg88 · Post #2926 » by **snoopdogg88** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 4:26 am

really like glenn robinson

PhilasFinest · Post #2927 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 4:38 am

snoopdogg88 wrote:really like glenn robinson

me too...been saying that he will be a steal in the late 1st/early 2nd round.

Just like Hardaway Jr last year, I think he will outplay his draft position...hes a big time athlete, has solid size from the wing spot and can shoot the ball.

Embiid P · Post #2928 » by **Embiid P** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:10 am

76ciology wrote:With regards to moving up from the 3rd pick..

I think it's really on how you value Jabari vs Wiggins vs Embiid.

The general perception thinks Embiid has HOF level potential, Wiggins can be a superstar or atleast star with high ceiling and Jabari can be a star but has a low ceiling. And if Wiggins and Embiid is taken, I think giving up a high risk guy like lavine or low ceiling guys like Stauskas, Garry Harris or James Young would be worth it to go from a star with low ceiling to a star with a high ceiling or ever for a guy with a HOF talent.

But then if you think that the gap between Jabari and Wiggins is small, then definitely you don't trade up.

My thinking here is that we just go get this locked in mentality of finding our franchise player, at all cost. At all cost, because of the difficulty to finding one. And once we've done that, then that's the time we go find the Lavines or the Stauskas of the NBA at the FA or on some other year's draft.

Personally I'd give up more than #3 and #10 to move up to #1 if we have to. It's a shame that we gave away two of our future first rounders though for two bums (Bynum and Moultrie) because they could have been valuable throw-ins if we needed them in a trade. Thanks a lot Thorn, DiLeo and Collins. :banghead:

Post #2929 » by **Foshan** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 11:19 am

Arsenal wrote:Speaking of the Spurs and their beautiful "motion" offense, I think a catalyst for us to be that kind of team might be Dario Saric. Imagine we get Wiggins at #3 and Saric at #10:

PG Carter-Williams / Wroten
SG 3&D guy with 2nd rd pick
SF Wiggins
PF Saric / T. Young
C Noel / Moultrie

A core of MCW, Wiggins, Saric and Noel could be amazing. Just a great mix of length, athleticism, defense, ballhandling and playmaking between those guys.

i don't know too much about Saric, but if I'm filling a 3&D guy from the 2nd round, i"m looking for a guy with SF length.

MCW/Wiggins/3&D/Saric/Noel... if we end up with something like that, I think we see if GSW want to move Barnes for Wroten.

LloydFree · Post #2930 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 12:05 pm

Stinky Hinkie wrote:Personally I'd give up more than #3 and #10 to move up to #1 if we have to. It's a shame that we gave away two of our future first rounders though for two bums (Bynum and Moultrie) because they could have been valuable throw-ins if we needed them in a trade. Thanks a lot Thorn, DiLeo and Collins.

For Embiid, I'd give up that #10 pick, and not give it a 2nd thought. There is no way I turn down a chance to get Joel Embiid on this team, trying to hold onto a pick to draft Doug MCDermott or Garry Harris. All of the real difference makers should be gone by #8 anyway.

Agnostifarian · Post #2931 » by **Agnostifarian** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 12:15 pm

Foshan wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Speaking of the Spurs and their beautiful "motion" offense, I think a catalyst for us to be that kind of team might be Dario Saric. Imagine we get Wiggins at #3 and Saric at #10:

PG Carter-Williams / Wroten
SG 3&D guy with 2nd rd pick
SF Wiggins
PF Saric / T. Young
C Noel / Moultrie

A core of MCW, Wiggins, Saric and Noel could be amazing. Just a great mix of length, athleticism, defense, ballhandling and playmaking between those guys.

i don't know too much about Saric, but if I'm filling a 3&D guy from the 2nd round, i"m looking for a guy with SF length.

MCW/Wiggins/3&D/Saric/Noel... if we end up with something like that, I think we see if GSW want to move Barnes for Wroten.

That sounds so funny on it's face; Tony Wroten for Harrison Barnes. I chuckled and then thought, "That could be one you regret." Then again, ... hmmm.

That Wroten acquisition was strong! One of those every year and we're in good shape.

LloydFree · Post #2932 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 12:38 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:
Foshan wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Speaking of the Spurs and their beautiful "motion" offense, I think a catalyst for us to be that kind of team might be Dario Saric. Imagine we get Wiggins at #3 and Saric at #10

A core of MCW, Wiggins, Saric and Noel could be amazing. Just a great mix of length, athleticism, defense, ballhandling and playmaking between those guys.

i don't know too much about Saric, but if I'm filling a 3&D guy from the 2nd round, i"m looking for a guy with SF length.

MCW/Wiggins/3&D/Saric/Noel... if we end up with something like that, I think we see if GSW want to move Barnes for Wroten.

That sounds so funny on it's face; Tony Wroten for Harrison Barnes. I chuckled and then thought, "That could be one you regret." Then again, ... hmmm.

That Wroten acquisition was strong! One of those every year and we're in good shape.

I think Wroten could have more value in a trade than Thad Young, due to the contract.

Agnostifarian · Post #2933 » by **Agnostifarian** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:01 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:
Foshan wrote:i don't know too much about Saric, but if I'm filling a 3&D guy from the 2nd round, i"m looking for a guy with SF length.

MCW/Wiggins/3&D/Saric/Noel... if we end up with something like that, I think we see if GSW want to move Barnes for Wroten.

That sounds so funny on it's face; Tony Wroten for Harrison Barnes. I chuckled and then thought, "That could be one you regret." Then again, ... hmmm.

That Wroten acquisition was strong! One of those every year and we're in good shape.

I think Wroten could have more value in a trade than Thad Young, due to the contract.

And, Tony Wroten just turned 21 (4/14/93) and has demonstrated that he can take the ball to the rim and finish.

Kobblehead · Post #2934 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 3:04 pm

Arsenal wrote:Speaking of the Spurs and their beautiful "motion" offense, I think a catalyst for us to be that kind of team might be Dario Saric. Imagine we get Wiggins at #3 and Saric at #10:

PG Carter-Williams / Wroten
SG 3&D guy with 2nd rd pick
SF Wiggins
PF Saric / T. Young
C Noel / Moultrie

A core of MCW, Wiggins, Saric and Noel could be amazing. Just a great mix of length, athleticism, defense, ballhandling and playmaking between those guys.

The Spurs' motion offense works so fluidly because they have at least three shooters on the floor at all times. While Wiggins and Saric can make shots, neither are shooters. Wiggins is a cutter and Saric is a creator.

Kobblehead · Post #2935 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 3:12 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:he can take the ball to the rim and finish.

I agree that he can get to the rim at will, but he needs up his conversion percentage closer to 60% before we conclude that he can finish. He's way too long to be a worse finisher than Evan Turner.

Agnostifarian · Post #2936 » by **Agnostifarian** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 3:36 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:he can take the ball to the rim and finish.

I agree that he can get to the rim at will, but he needs up his conversion percentage closer to 60% before we conclude that he can finish. He's way too long to be a worse finisher than Evan Turner.

Good point. He just turned 21 though so I'd expect BB coaching to positively impact his efficiency especially if he starts dropping it off to Noel and Parker on the way to the rim. He's still got the POTENTIAL.

Kobblehead · Post #2937 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 4:38 pm

I think Wroten's intemperate attacking style is both, his charm and his repulsion.

Arsenal · Post #2938 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 6:43 pm

Anyone have any thoughts on Kristaps Porzingis? Possibly a good Eurostash candidate if we can pick up another 1st round pick around #20 to get in front of the Thunder who are rumored to be interested at #21.

How about Bogdan Bogdanovich? Could he be a 3&D swingman for us to pick up at the top of the 2nd round?

Agnostifarian · Post #2939 » by **Agnostifarian** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 9:06 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I think Wroten's intemperate attacking style is both, his charm and his repulsion.

Yeah. I'm wondering if KJ McDaniels will play with a similar style but at the SF position. I'd love to have Wroten and McDaniels coming off the bench with a SG that can shoot.

Embiid P · Post #2940 » by **Embiid P** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 10:14 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Stinky Hinkie wrote:Personally I'd give up more than #3 and #10 to move up to #1 if we have to. It's a shame that we gave away two of our future first rounders though for two bums (Bynum and Moultrie) because they could have been valuable throw-ins if we needed them in a trade. Thanks a lot Thorn, DiLeo and Collins.

For Embiid, I'd give up that #10 pick, and not give it a 2nd thought. There is no way I turn down a chance to get Joel Embiid on this team, trying to hold onto a pick to draft Doug MCDermott or Garry Harris. All of the real difference makers should be gone by #8 anyway.

Couldn't agree more. Which is also why these few weeks leading up to the draft are so critical. If we trade Thad and/or take back a few salaries, we might be able to get a few more picks in the teens or 20s that we can use as trade bait or if not draft some quality role players. When is the first day that trades can be made before the draft?