2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[NBA Moses]

Personally I'd give up more than #3 and #10 to move up to #1 if we have to. It's a shame that we gave away two of our future first rounders though for two bums (Bynum and Moultrie) because they could have been valuable throw-ins if we needed them in a trade. Thanks a lot Thorn, DiLeo and Collins.

For Embiid, I'd give up that #10 pick, and not give it a 2nd thought. There is no way I turn down a chance to get Joel Embiid on this team, trying to hold onto a pick to draft Doug MCDermott or Garry Harris. All of the real difference makers should be gone by #8 anyway.

You got it.

I had to laugh listening to duh Cuz the other day. He doesnt like Embiid, its not a big mans game anymore,bad back yadda yadda .Yo Cuz have you been watching TimDuncan for the past 20 years? Unbelievable. Anyway He actually said he wanted the Sixers to give up #3(Embiid) and #10 to get Wiggins. I'm not sure what duh Cuz has been doing but isnt the consensus that Wiggins will most likely be there at 3. Embiid 1 JParker 2 Wiggins 3.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I see wiggins slipping to us at 3.

Embiid has the highest ceiling and value in the draft and is Cleveland's weakest position. Cavs would be stupid to not pick Embidd.


Parker looks like a ideal fit for the Bucks . He would be a great fit as a combo forward paired with Gianni's and Sanders at the 5. The have Knight and Mayo as their backcourt. They could be a playoff team,


Wiggins slipping to Philly is a likely scenario. I think philly must package 10 , Thad and some 2nds to move up for either Vonleh, Randle or Gordan in that order.

[OleSchool]

On the Bleacher report yesterday, take it for what's it worth





[tweet]https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/469660353001828352[/tweet]

[Eyeamok]

On the Bleacher report yesterday, take it for what's it worth





[tweet]https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/469660353001828352[/tweet]

The cavs have painted themselves into a corner. By basically not improving since LBJ left they can't afford any mistakes. They have messed up in picking a coach. They have messed up in their #1 pick last year. Their other #1 pick, from what I have read, does not seem to be extremely happy to be there. They are not a hotbed of basketball activist where free agents are clamoring to come play for them. You have to figure management considers getting the #1 pick in this upcoming draft a gift, that will probably never come around again, so all in all they have to either trade the pick for an established star or go with an extremely safe pick.

Wiggins has high potential to be an excellent player and also a player that never becomes who he should be.
Embiid should be the perfect choice but back concerns for a player that large are a real concern going forward.
Parker is steady and consistent and out of the 3 might make the most sense.

Behind closed doors Cavs management might have been more comfortable with the 2nd or 3rd overall pick.

[Sixerscan]

On the Bleacher report yesterday, take it for what's it worth





[tweet]https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/469660353001828352[/tweet]

The date of that tweet is from 3 weeks ago?

[OleSchool]

On the Bleacher report yesterday, take it for what's it worth





[tweet]https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/469660353001828352[/tweet]

The date of that tweet is from 3 weeks ago?

Saw that too, Bleacher report came out with a mock yesterday and had the Cavs taking Wiggins, this tweet was in there.

Don't know why it took so long cause the bleacher report has done mocks since then and had the Cavs taking Embiid.

[OleSchool]

On the Bleacher report yesterday, take it for what's it worth






The cavs have painted themselves into a corner. By basically not improving since LBJ left they can't afford any mistakes. They have messed up in picking a coach. They have messed up in their #1 pick last year. Their other #1 pick, from what I have read, does not seem to be extremely happy to be there. They are not a hotbed of basketball activist where free agents are clamoring to come play for them. You have to figure management considers getting the #1 pick in this upcoming draft a gift, that will probably never come around again, so all in all they have to either trade the pick for an established star or go with an extremely safe pick.

Wiggins has high potential to be an excellent player and also a player that never becomes who he should be.
Embiid should be the perfect choice but back concerns for a player that large are a real concern going forward.
Parker is steady and consistent and out of the 3 might make the most sense.

Behind closed doors Cavs management might have been more comfortable with the 2nd or 3rd overall pick.

Yeah but this is a new management team. Grant is gone, you have to assume that they would make better decisions now.

Of course you know what they say when you assume

[ProcessDoctor]

Watching the Spurs makes me wish coming out of this draft with Embiid and Exum was a realistic possibility.

MCW
Exum
3 & D
Noel
Embiid

If Embiid falls to #3 (first miracle), and we somehow manipulate Orlando into trading #4 for #10, Thad, and Hinkie's soul (second miracle) then things are looking good

[PhilasFinest]

Orlando isn't trading the 4th pick for Thad Young and the 10th pick....hate to break it to you.

[76ers3]

Even if the Cavs don't take Embiid, the Bucks most likely will. No way Embiid falls to the Sixers imo.

[51X3RF4N]

Ultimately, if the Cavs don't take Embiid, I think the Cavs take Wiggins. I don't think they take Parker. I feel the Bucks will take Parker over Embiid, so really the Bucks IMO are locked in on Parker. I think the Sixers will then have to decide if Embiid is worth the risk or if they should go Exum, who also comes with some risk.

I think the Sixers only get Parker or Wiggins if they trade up, if the CLE scenario plays out and they don't want Embiid, which will be known well before draft night. So the Sixers will have opportunities to make a deal prior to the pick being made.

As for the Exum/Embiid thing...the ONLY way I see that being possible is if the Sixers are willing to give up MCW. A deal centered around MCW, #10, a couple 2nd round picks might be enough to get #4, and potentially #12.

But that is giving up a LOT just to get Exum instead of MCW. And I can't see any way possible to get Exum and Embiid, without giving up MCW.

All of this is moot though, as I believe if Embiid is declared a non-health risk, CLE will take him #1.

[LeonJordanJr24]

The best move we could possible do if Wiggins and Embidd are gone by 3 is draft Exum. Exum is definitely a 2 guard . Imagine a backcourt of MCW and Exum on the fast break it would be unstoppable. MCW and Exum in mind fit each other perfectly . Exum is a attacking shooting guard and MCW is more of a set up man.

[76ciology]

The truth is.. We don't know who the Cavs and the Bucks are going to select. Because of team situations (Cavs might play it safe and select Jabari) and that I think most analysts has Embiid, Wiggins and Jabari at the same tier.

In the end I'm comfortable with either one of those three guys with our top pick.

Embiid because he's a potential HOF player down the road..

Wiggins because of his upside and how he seems to be a great fit with our fast paced motion offense that isn't ISO heavy and relies on ball and player movement. Let's just say ET was able to average around 20ppg as our starting SF.

Jabari because I believe he'd be the third best SF down the road behind KD and LBJ, because of his combination of way advanced skillset, mobility and athleticism for his close to 9' standing reach and 240lbs frame. I think he's going to be better than Melo because of his personality, character and work ethic. He might be a top 4 SF once he enters the league. He's that good. Defensively, he's taller than most PFs and I think he can improve his defense with conditioning and effort. There's no wonder that Noel prefers him for he is a good fit for him and MCW.

Personally, I'll try to move up and try to snatch Embiid from the Cavs. I think this franchise desperately needs a franchise caliber player, which I think Embiid is. If not, I really don't have any problems selecting Jabari or Wiggins. Could be a blessing in disguise for we might end up with Jahlil Okafor next season.

I'm just not comfortable with Exum. First, two PG line-up RARELY works. Specially for two poor perimeter shooting PGs. Second, I believe that the PG position requires out of this world kind of talents and I don't see Exum having elite skillset to be a great facilitator like CP3, Nash or Rondo. Or elite shooting ability and/or explosive leaping ability to be a big time scorer. I see Exum being a PG version of Manu, who's going to average something like 18pts 6rebs and 6assists (MCW or Oladipo version 2.0). He's talented but I think he's a reach specially with either Wiggins or Jabari most likely available with the 3rd pick.

[Agnostifarian]

The best move we could possible do if Wiggins and Embidd are gone by 3 is draft Exum. Exum is definitely a 2 guard . Imagine a backcourt of MCW and Exum on the fast break it would be unstoppable. MCW and Exum in mind fit each other perfectly . Exum is a attacking shooting guard and MCW is more of a set up man.

You've got "the glass half filled" on the MCW/Exum back court. Phoenix has a nice dual PG lineup but both guys can shoot. If Hinkie doesn't pair MCW and Exum, ORL looks like they are going to make their own pairing of 6' 6" guards with Exum and Olidipo. Looks like we're going to see plenty of Exum one way or another.

With respect to the possibility of Embiid slipping to #3, there is no way in hell that he is there because Parker and Wiggins are better prospects. Embiid will only be available to us if he is feared to be a damaged prospect. This is the scenario I anticipate. I trust Hinkie will have the best medical opinions that can be had but if he does pick Embiid, we are all going to be on pins and needles wondering if we have two more broken down big men... The Philly Haters will eat this up so gird for the battle!

[OleSchool]

As crazy as this sounds I believe this could happen:

http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014 ... onleh.html

2014 NBA Mock Draft: Sixers pass on Jabari Parker for Noah Vonleh?

REACH ALERT. Listen, if Sam Hinkie's not getting a transcendent star, what did he tank for? He goes for the maximum upside here, in the belief that Vonleh and Noel combine to form some sort of space pterodactyl. Parker's the obvious go here, but with limited ceiling and athleticism, he doesn't fit the Hinkie profile.

If Hinkie is convinced Vonleh is the guy, it is also very possible the Sixers could trade back to get him, and stock pile some assets from a team that wants Parker.

[Arsenal]

As crazy as this sounds I believe this could happen:

http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014 ... onleh.html

2014 NBA Mock Draft: Sixers pass on Jabari Parker for Noah Vonleh?

REACH ALERT. Listen, if Sam Hinkie's not getting a transcendent star, what did he tank for? He goes for the maximum upside here, in the belief that Vonleh and Noel combine to form some sort of space pterodactyl. Parker's the obvious go here, but with limited ceiling and athleticism, he doesn't fit the Hinkie profile.

If Hinkie is convinced Vonleh is the guy, it is also very possible the Sixers could trade back to get him, and stock pile some assets from a team that wants Parker.

We better not end up with Vonleh with our 1st pick unless we trade back from #3 to #5 and fleece the Jazz out of a ton of assets in the process.

[SJSF]

Exum. Ugh no. The other top 3 are proven players at least on the college level. Exum hasn't played against anyone And to think he is comparable to Tony Parker. Lol.

[OleSchool]

As crazy as this sounds I believe this could happen:

http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014 ... onleh.html

2014 NBA Mock Draft: Sixers pass on Jabari Parker for Noah Vonleh?

REACH ALERT. Listen, if Sam Hinkie's not getting a transcendent star, what did he tank for? He goes for the maximum upside here, in the belief that Vonleh and Noel combine to form some sort of space pterodactyl. Parker's the obvious go here, but with limited ceiling and athleticism, he doesn't fit the Hinkie profile.

If Hinkie is convinced Vonleh is the guy, it is also very possible the Sixers could trade back to get him, and stock pile some assets from a team that wants Parker.

We better not end up with Vonleh with our 1st pick unless we trade back from #3 to #5 and fleece the Jazz out of a ton of assets in the process.

I would actually be ok with drafting Vohleh, but you're right I would drop to 5.

Most complain about Parker's upside, lack of athleticism, and his defense. Vonleh has upside, athleticism, and plays both ways.

Most complain that the Exum MCW backcourt won't work. Vonleh would solve those issues.

[snoopdogg88]

i still can't fathom how Noah Vonleh has more upside than Jabari Parker

measurables aren't everything

[OleSchool]

i still can't fathom how Noah Vonleh has more upside than Jabari Parker

measurables aren't everything

Vonleh may never be good offensively as Parker but he may be the better all-round player