Noah Vonleh Thread [Merged]

[OrlDave]

Oladipo didnt look nearly as good after his freshman year but he has a similar character and measurments advantage that helped him become a great prospect.

Wait am I reading this right? Dipo's Junior year was his best year. By a lot. It's not even close. He only played 18mpg his freshman year. I don't get what you are saying.

[Def Swami]

I am not saying his post game is amazing but he needs work he is already better than Dwight was when he came out. Yea i know he doesnt have that athleticism but it isnt that bad. All prospects cant be Embiid, however his shooting was not a fluke it was very impressive and lets not forget he is an extremely late playing basketball he still has alot to learn. Taking him would be a gamble, i am not saying we should do it but we should at least consider it

My biggest issue with him is his BBIQ and fire. He did not stand out in the games I watched him. He really looked like a late 1st round prospect based on what I saw. Obviously his measureables and potential is what has him pegged as a lottery pick because it surely wasn't his play. He was often out of position, a step slow and looked disinterested in being involved. Just what I saw.

It's what most of us saw. Any reputable scouting report on him that speaks highly of his game? I can understand speaking highly of his potential based off measurables and the crude rawness of his game, but to speak of his current game highly would seem suspcious to me.

I do not have Insider, but apparently Kevin Pelton did an analysis of Vonleh that was very positive.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... h-selected

[Def Swami]

still early, and no reason for anyone to get worked up over mock drafts.

Vonleh is probably my least favorite prospect and wouldn't be excited if we drafted him. However, I trust our management fully and would support whatever outcome we get.

I love him and out of all the big men in this draft he fits the most with Vuc, however I will throw something at my TV if we draft him that high. If we trade 12 + Afflalo for a pick that can get him, I would be fine with that.

I agree. I still like Vonleh in the crop of him, Randle, and Gordon, but I'll be extremely disappointed if that the best we could do after a year of tanking.

[tranjSAIC]

There is a fine line between ignorance and denial and you appear to have one foot on each side of it.

Honestly I think YOU are the one who is ignorant and in denial, you haven't stated ANY FACTS AT ALL, just opinions.

[BadMofoPimp]

Man, people are really doing a number on vonleh. Basically trying to turn his strengths into weaknesses. As a prospect he's not any different than exum all about upside with those two.

This is so true. There really is nothing to state that Vonleh shouldn't be a viable 4th pick or that it is a reach.

[rcklsscognition]

Which one is Vonleh and who is the other player? Dont look it up, just guess. Freshman stats PER40 in college:

Player A) 16.3 Points, 12.3 Rebounds, 0.8 Steals, 2.4 Blocks

Player B) 17 Points, 13.6 Rebounds, 1.3 Steals, 2.1 Blocks

I have no idea and I don't care. I'm into stats but I go to them when I need more info. I don't need it for Vonleh. He is ALL potential and a huge gamble. I'm not saying he can't be great but damn, I just don't see it. He will probably be a solid starter but a solid starter is not what we tanked for. Go big or go home. Swing for that star. Vonleh has to have the least star potential of the top 7.

This guy is a second rounder without that combine.

Player A is Kyle O'Quinn and player B is Vonleh.

[KillMonger]

Do people think we have the first pick or something? I keep hearing people say "man we spent a whole year of tanking" blah blah blah..... We spent a whole year of tanking to get the first pick or a top 3 pick..... We didn't get it.... At the 4th pick there is no prospect that is head and shoulders above the rest....randle/smart/vonleh/exum are all close in terms of talent IMHO.

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[BadMofoPimp]

I have no idea and I don't care. I'm into stats but I go to them when I need more info. I don't need it for Vonleh. He is ALL potential and a huge gamble. I'm not saying he can't be great but damn, I just don't see it. He will probably be a solid starter but a solid starter is not what we tanked for. Go big or go home. Swing for that star. Vonleh has to have the least star potential of the top 7.

This guy is a second rounder without that combine.

Player A is Kyle O'Quinn and player B is Vonleh.

Where did Kyle O'quinn go to college and what level of competition did he play over there?

[RickB-Orlando]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting a solid starter with this pick. Nothing at all wrong with the fourth pick in the draft ending up a solid starter but not a star.

Hint: there aren't that many true stars in the league - it's a fistful at best. A team made up of solid starters can do a lot of damage in the playoffs.

[thelead]

how do you know?

it's simple, have you ever seen this guy play? or done any research about him? the only thing that was impressive about him was his age and measureables and those are poor reasons in and of themselves to draft a player over another, especially as high as 4 in a strong draft.

And his Character, motor, work ethic, attitude... you know those things that separate between those who realize their potential and those who dont.

Oladipo didnt look nearly as good after his freshman year but he has a similar character and measurments advantage that helped him become a great prospect.

Are you willing to waste a top 4 pick on that gamble though? With Oladipo, you at least SAW the improvement.

[RickB-Orlando]

This guy is a second rounder without that combine.

Player A is Kyle O'Quinn and player B is Vonleh.

Where did Kyle O'quinn go to college and what level of competition did he play over there?

That basketball powerhouse Norfolk State University.

Don't belittle their schedule, down the stretch that beat such teams as Hampton University, Longwood College, and Univeristy of Maryland-East Shore. The did drop one to top ranked Delaware State though.

[thelead]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting a solid starter with this pick. Nothing at all wrong with the fourth pick in the draft ending up a solid starter but not a star.

Hint: there aren't that many true stars in the league - it's a fistful at best. A team made up of solid starters can do a lot of damage in the playoffs.

Sure but are you sure that Vonleh will even be a solid starter. I'm saying that he has the least potential of the top 7. Why take him? Because of measurements? No thanks. I'll take the guys who PLAYED better.

[Neon1]

As the NCAA season gets further and further removed from my mind Vonleh sounds better and better (On paper), then everytime I watch him and Randle on video I am quickly reminded why I liked Randle more then any other NCAA big man (except Embiid). It is like night and day. Too much energy, too much effort level, so much agility, quickness and speed.


Embiid, Smart, Randle, Parker...their impact was so blatantly obvious ALL season long when you WATCHED them actually PLAY.

Guys like Wiggins, Vonleh just didn't even come close.

[RickB-Orlando]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting a solid starter with this pick. Nothing at all wrong with the fourth pick in the draft ending up a solid starter but not a star.

Hint: there aren't that many true stars in the league - it's a fistful at best. A team made up of solid starters can do a lot of damage in the playoffs.

Sure but are you sure that Vonleh will even be a solid starter. I'm saying that he has the least potential of the top 7. Why take him? Because of measurements? No thanks. I'll take the guys who PLAYED better.

I'm not sure it should be Vonleh. I suspect it is a choice between Vonleh, Randle, Smart and Exum, unless one of Parker / Wiggins / Embiid slips to four, which makes the pick much easier.

As for which of these four do we take - I hope we take the sure thing. Henny should know who the sure thing is at that point. But I don't think we can afford to gamble in an attempt to 'hit the home run.' The thing about swinging for the fences is more often than not you strike out


I think the most critical thing is that we wind up with an impact player that can start for us for the next 5-10 years. If we can get that - he doesn't need to be an all-star. Just a solid starter with some impact. Not a swing and a miss - we can't afford to miss.

[thelead]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting a solid starter with this pick. Nothing at all wrong with the fourth pick in the draft ending up a solid starter but not a star.

Hint: there aren't that many true stars in the league - it's a fistful at best. A team made up of solid starters can do a lot of damage in the playoffs.

Sure but are you sure that Vonleh will even be a solid starter. I'm saying that he has the least potential of the top 7. Why take him? Because of measurements? No thanks. I'll take the guys who PLAYED better.

I'm not sure it should be Vonleh. I suspect it is a choice between Vonleh, Randle, Smart and Exum, unless one of Parker / Wiggins / Embiid slips to four, which makes the pick much easier.

As for which of these four do we take - I hope we take the sure thing. Henny should know who the sure thing is at that point. But I don't think we can afford to gamble in an attempt to 'hit the home run.' The thing about swinging for the fences is more often than not you strike out


I think the most critical thing is that we wind up with an impact player that can start for us for the next 5-10 years. If we can get that - he doesn't need to be an all-star. Just a solid starter with some impact. Not a swing and a miss - we can't afford to miss.

I totally get what you are saying BUT I don't think Vonleh is a sure thing, so why take him?

Let's take a step back and figure out why Vonleh is loved by some on here:

C: Vuc
PF: BIG HOLE
SF: Harris
SG: Afflalo
PG: Oladipo

My question to those that want Vonleh is this, would you really want him if we didn't have a HUGE need for a PF?

Be honest. Let's say we already had someone like Horford, who would you pick?

I doubt it's Vonleh.

[Blue_and_Whte]

it's simple, have you ever seen this guy play? or done any research about him? the only thing that was impressive about him was his age and measureables and those are poor reasons in and of themselves to draft a player over another, especially as high as 4 in a strong draft.

And his Character, motor, work ethic, attitude... you know those things that separate between those who realize their potential and those who dont.

Oladipo didnt look nearly as good after his freshman year but he has a similar character and measurments advantage that helped him become a great prospect.

Are you willing to waste a top 4 pick on that gamble though? With Oladipo, you at least SAW the improvement.

why not? People are willing to gamble on an unknown in Exum.

Its not the sexiest pick but I would assume Hennigan has done his homework on all the prospects who could ho 4th.
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[RickB-Orlando]

Sure but are you sure that Vonleh will even be a solid starter. I'm saying that he has the least potential of the top 7. Why take him? Because of measurements? No thanks. I'll take the guys who PLAYED better.

I'm not sure it should be Vonleh. I suspect it is a choice between Vonleh, Randle, Smart and Exum, unless one of Parker / Wiggins / Embiid slips to four, which makes the pick much easier.

As for which of these four do we take - I hope we take the sure thing. Henny should know who the sure thing is at that point. But I don't think we can afford to gamble in an attempt to 'hit the home run.' The thing about swinging for the fences is more often than not you strike out


I think the most critical thing is that we wind up with an impact player that can start for us for the next 5-10 years. If we can get that - he doesn't need to be an all-star. Just a solid starter with some impact. Not a swing and a miss - we can't afford to miss.

I totally get what you are saying BUT I don't think Vonleh is a sure thing, so why take him?

Let's take a step back and figure out why Vonleh is loved by some on here:

C: Vuc
PF: BIG HOLE
SF: Harris
SG: Afflalo
PG: Oladipo

My question to those that want Vonleh is this, would you really want him if we didn't have a HUGE need for a PF?

Be honest. Let's say we already had someone like Horford, who would you pick?

I doubt it's Vonleh.

Could be true, though his hype from the combine is probably driving some of this noise as well. As you correctly point out, drafting for a position of need is also driving some people.

Personally I think the right pick might be Randle, unless Henny knows (and I mean KNOWS) that Exum is destined to be the next great point guard, and then we take Exum (of course). I certainly don't know enough about Exum's game to intelligently say yes or no on him.

[KillMonger]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting a solid starter with this pick. Nothing at all wrong with the fourth pick in the draft ending up a solid starter but not a star.

Hint: there aren't that many true stars in the league - it's a fistful at best. A team made up of solid starters can do a lot of damage in the playoffs.

Sure but are you sure that Vonleh will even be a solid starter. I'm saying that he has the least potential of the top 7. Why take him? Because of measurements? No thanks. I'll take the guys who PLAYED better.

least potential? I disagree

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[thelead]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting a solid starter with this pick. Nothing at all wrong with the fourth pick in the draft ending up a solid starter but not a star.

Hint: there aren't that many true stars in the league - it's a fistful at best. A team made up of solid starters can do a lot of damage in the playoffs.

Sure but are you sure that Vonleh will even be a solid starter. I'm saying that he has the least potential of the top 7. Why take him? Because of measurements? No thanks. I'll take the guys who PLAYED better.

least potential? I disagree

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Based on what though? Hand size? Wingspan?

[KillMonger]

Measurables+2 way potential..... Not too many prospects have that kind of potential on both ends IMO......

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