2014 Official FA Thread

Sunsdeuce · Post #861 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:19 pm

For personal reasons I do not want Lebron and the circus he brings to the team. When the heat lose, its all about lebron. When they win, its all about lebron. I tend to forget that miami are actually called the Miami Heat.

by contrast,

When the Spurs win, its always a team win. That is how I want the Suns to be. If/when the suns get a title, I want it to be a Suns championship not a Lebron championship.

Sunsdeuce · Post #862 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:24 pm

Looking more and more like Tucker is pretty much a goner. Memphis is hot for him and it looks like they are willing to overpay for him.

http://arizonasports.com/41/1741011/ALL-EARS
Key points:

The Grizzlies are likely uncertain about their stability at the small forward position, as the spot was mostly occupied by a pair of 34-year-olds, Tayshaun Prince and Mike Miller, in the 2013-14 season. Quincy Pondexter emerged as a solid bench player two seasons ago for Memphis, but he only played 15 games last year before suffering a stress fracture in his foot and undergoing surgery.

If the Grizzlies really are looking at signing Tucker, it means they're searching for someone younger to fill the role that Prince has played for the team over the past season and a half.

When asked if he's interested in Memphis making an offer, Tucker replied, "I hope."

But he did say that he does love Phx. Also that he is a restricted free agent.

"I'm restricted, so regardless of what happens, Phoenix gets a chance to match," Tucker said. "So the more suitors, the more chances you have to make more money, maybe."

Although he plans to entertain offers from other teams, Tucker reiterated how much of an impact Phoenix has had on him.

"To be in Phoenix is the key," he said. "I want to be in Phoenix. We've grown so much here. I've grown so much here. We've grown as a team. The priority, probably, is to come back to Phoenix. But as I've said, it is a business and different things may happen."

Cutter · Post #863 » by **Cutter** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:41 pm

I was listening to Gambo on the radio yesterday and he was openly rosterbating about the Suns and Warriors being the top teams to get KLove. He also said Suns should sign Pau Gasol to help entice Love here. If we did get Love and Gasol as the starting 4/5, I think we would need a strong defensive SF to help offset their defensive liabilities. Enter PJ Tucker. With Goran, Bledsoe, love and Gasol we will have no trouble scoring. This team needs defense, and lots of it. As a matter of fact, the lack of crunch time defense is what will prevent us from contending deeply in the playoffs. If we do trade Tucker, I want to get a defensive SF back.

JMac1 · Post #864 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:16 pm

Cutter wrote:I was listening to Gambo on the radio yesterday and he was openly rosterbating about the Suns and Warriors being the top teams to get KLove. He also said Suns should sign Pau Gasol to help entice Love here. If we did get Love and Gasol as the starting 4/5, I think we would need a strong defensive SF to help offset their defensive liabilities. Enter PJ Tucker. With Goran, Bledsoe, love and Gasol we will have no trouble scoring. This team needs defense, and lots of it. As a matter of fact, the lack of crunch time defense is what will prevent us from contending deeply in the playoffs. If we do trade Tucker, I want to get a defensive SF back.

Now that would be a reason to keep tucker. Plus, if you traded for Love and kept both Goran and Bledsoe, that would mean you have relinquished all three 1st round picks and probably the Lakers too, unless you gave up some good players, which I still believe isn't enough without all of our picks. So that would mean we would have not added a new SF that could possibly help right away (HOOD).

McStunna · Post #865 » by **McStunna** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:55 pm

The salary cap numbers won't work out to resigning Tucker, Bledsoe, trading for Love and signing Gasol.

Even if Frye opts out or was traded as part of one of those deals it would be close.

McStunna · Post #866 » by **McStunna** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:56 pm

Tucker isn't worth more than 4M$ a year maximum.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #867 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:29 pm

I like tucker but almost wish Memphis makes a crazy offer that suns don't match. I hate signing role players to mid level long term deals.

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #868 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:34 pm

Since Tucker's RFA, sure would be nice to S&T.

jredsaz · Post #869 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:22 am

McStunna wrote:The salary cap numbers won't work out to resigning Tucker, Bledsoe, trading for Love and signing Gasol.

Even if Frye opts out or was traded as part of one of those deals it would be close.

It all depends on the contract Gasol would command and who we trade for Love. But it is very possible, with or without Frye.

BobbieL · Post #870 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:11 am

McStunna wrote:Tucker isn't worth more than 4M$ a year maximum.

I agree with this. Good player. Plays hard. Defender. Hits the corner three. But if some team offers the full MLE - I think I would pass

Kind of hoping Frye opts out too- but if he opts in, I don't try to sign him longer term. Need the Morris twins, Markieff, longer term
Melo is possibly going to opt out - wonder if Phoenix is on his radar. Chicago should be the first team he visits and probably should sign there. But its worth the call

drewsprocket · Post #871 » by **drewsprocket** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:03 am

I think a healthy Gasol would work well on the Suns. His rebounding would promote fastbreaks and second chance points. He could be a great go to guy in the post in close games which fits well with a spaced out floor when playing alongside Frye or 'Kieff.

Tucker would probably need to be upgraded to someone more athletic and ready to hit the break at the SF position.

Gasol
Frye
Tucker or [rookie SF]
Dragic
Bledsoe

SunsFanSSOL · Post #872 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:28 am

PJ seems like he's just going to go wherever he's going to get the most money. Can't blame him, he only made like $900k last season.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #873 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:40 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:PJ seems like he's just going to go wherever he's going to get the most money. Can't blame him, he only made like $900k last season.

oh definitely and he should. Most likely this is pjs only shot at a nice multi yr deal that pays him multiple millions of dollars. If he signs a 4 yr deal he'll be 33 when it ends and probably playing on one yr deals from then to the end of his career. Dude needs to get all he can right now. With what he's made in his career after taxes his net worth isn't all that big (unless he's a savy investor). There will be no "home town discount" with this contract. I respect the hell out of pj and could stomach a 3 or maybe even 4 mil a yr deal but there's definitely a contract number he could get that the suns should walk away from. I hate the idea of overpaying for role players especially when you're not knocking on the door of a championship.

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Cutter · Post #874 » by **Cutter** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:46 am

I like a 2 year Gasol upgrade at center while waiting for Len to develop. Plumlee is completely expendable IMO.

DirtyDez · Post #875 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:46 am

Without Tucker the Suns don't have anyone that's 100% committed to defense. Tucker & Frye are expected to be really good at one thing and Tucker is better at his craft. Also 28 years old isn't a huge deal seeing as there's limited milleadge on his body.

GG & MM being the main SF combo will be a disaster. Nothing but jumpers and bad defense.

Post #876 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:15 am

If Tucker gets a contract offer from Memphis, I hope we get at least a S&T, get the TPE that can be useful later if we are trying to acquire someone such as Love, we should also be getting a 2nd rounder.

LukasBMW · Post #877 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:22 am

All this talk about Love, Melo, and Hayward.

I'm hoping we can pick up Deng for a reasonable price. If we add Deng to our starting lineup, Tucker becomes expendable.

Then what if we packaged Dragic, the Laker pick, another #1 (either #14 this year or next years first) and either Len or Frye for Love? It works under the trade machine and getting Dragic, a possible lottery pick, and #14 in this draft + a possible talent in Len is as good as Minnesota will get.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n7wl3yr

We use one of our leftover 2014 picks on a backup PG and a possible big man or two to develop. We also may have some cap space leftover to bolster our backup PG and front court.

Bledsoe/Rookie PG (Shabazz?) or Ish or free agent
Green/Goodwin
Deng/Marcus
Love/Kieff / Rookie big or free agent
Frye/Plumlee/ Rookie big or free agent

That starting 5 is scary. All 5 can hit the 3. All 5 can go for 20+ on any given night. 4 of 5 can go for 30+ on any given night. Plumlee becomes the best backup center in the league and the Morris twins can continue their second unit destruction. If Goodwin keeps improving and we add a decent backup PG, our bench remains deep. Our starting 1-3 is sick defensively. Our starting 4/5 is a bit weak on the defensive side, but if we get lucky and pickup a reliable defensive big as a free agent or try to develop a rookie like Patric Young, then maybe we get by.

Frye, Deng, and Green seem to be solid leaders and good locker room guys

The Morris brothers, Plumlee, Archie, and Ish all seem to be hard working young men with good heads on their shoulders.

That leaves a bit of room for Bledsoe and Love to develop medium sized egos.

Worst case scenario:
-Bledsoe blows out his knee
-Love leaves
But we still have some young talent, cap space and our future picks.

Best case scenario:
-Love continues to put up MVP numbers
-Bledsoe turns into Westbrook 2.0
-Deng and Green become the most underrated 2 and 3 combo in the league
-Plumlee continues to improve
-The Morris brothers resign for cheap

And what if Deng doesn't sign? Doesn't trading Len and Dragic for Love leave us with a max contract to throw at Lebron, or Melo? Replace Deng with either of those guys and shiiiiiiiit.

Post #878 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:13 am

McStunna wrote:Tucker isn't worth more than 4M$ a year maximum.

Now that's a bit ridiculous. He may not be worth much more, but he makes more of an impact than you seem to think.

Post #879 » by **TASTIC** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:28 am

I think Dudley has shown that signing an unathletic, spotty 3pt shooter who uses hustle as his main asset to a long term deal at around $4m per, is NOT a good idea.

I would offer $10m over 3yrs and that's somewhat generous - if he gets more, then good luck to him and no hard feelings.

DirtyDez · Post #880 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:03 am

PJ isn't unathletic. His foot speed, leaping ability and strength is significantly better than Dudley. JD was more fluid & coordinated whereas PJ is kinda raw but not a bad athlete. I would think he'll get cheap interest from multiple teams.

4M isn't overpaying IMO. That's what 6-7% of the salary cap?