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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#921 » by OrlDave » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:47 pm

Orlandipo wrote:Exum definitly has some red flags. His FT shooting worries me as does his jumper in general. From what I've seen he struggles to get his shot off the bounce.. He needs to do a better job of creating space to get off his jumper especially considering his low realease. His love interest with the Lakers isn't a red flag.. but considering our past history with star players developing here and leaving for LA I would be lying if I said it didn't bother me. He gets to the rim extremely well but I don't know if he's strong enough or explosive enough to finish over some of the better rim protectors in the NBA. All things considered i still wouldn't mind taking him 4th but if we did I would prefer to play it safe with our next pick and try and trade up for Randle. At least if we miss with Exum we would not walk away from the draft empty handed. If we take Smart then we can gamble on potential with our second pick.


To be fair, Dwight didn't leave for LA. We traded him and he didn't stay. Only one player actually left for LA and that was Shaq.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#922 » by Smooth_E » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:48 pm

OrlandO wrote:
Orlandipo wrote:Exum definitly has some red flags. His FT shooting worries me as does his jumper in general. From what I've seen he struggles to get his shot off the bounce.. He needs to do a better job of creating space to get off his jumper especially considering his low realease. His love interest with the Lakers isn't a red flag.. but considering our past history with star players developing here and leaving for LA I would be lying if I said it didn't bother me. He gets to the rim extremely well but I don't know if he's strong enough or explosive enough to finish over some of the better rim protectors in the NBA. All things considered i still wouldn't mind taking him 4th but if we did I would prefer to play it safe with our next pick and try and trade up for Randle. At least if we miss with Exum we would not walk away from the draft empty handed. If we take Smart then we can gamble on potential with our second pick.

If Henny drafts Exum I will be insanely excited. Not because of my opinion of Exum, but because it means Henny thought so highly of Exum that he picked him over a much safer pick in Smart, who he's had his eye on for years now.


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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#923 » by KillMonger » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:52 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Evidently, the after Exum's workout, the Bucks still like Embiid, Parker and Wiggins more. Wiggins got invited for a 2nd workout while Embiid and Parker had Hammond fly out to take them out to dinner. Exum's workout was just good, not great.

it should be like that anyway whether he had an amazing workout or not, to be fair it wouldn't be any different with Smart either......Parker/Wiggins/Embiid are in a different tier
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Post#924 » by Orlwillbeback » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:53 pm

The big take away from that video is that exum torches anyone not named marcus smart.
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Post#925 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:57 pm

I guess being Parker, Wiggins and Embiid are not available, fans can annoint Exum as their next superstar.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#926 » by Nyce_1 » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:07 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I guess being Parker, Wiggins and Embiid are not available, fans can annoint Exum as their next superstar.

If you asked our board, Mil, and Phil, if Exum/Wiggins/Parker are available, how many would take Exum? I think you'd get a surprisingly equal share of votes for Exum. I don't think his hype at 4 is there by default but because he truly has as much potential as the others.

I'd be equally happy with all three, and think our GM would look at all 3 and seriously consider them all, if we sat at #2.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#927 » by OrlandO » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:11 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:The big take away from that video is that exum torches anyone not named marcus smart.

He did cross Smart though. Try searching for videos of Smart getting crossed over on YouTube... I bet you find like 1. Now there will be 2.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#928 » by Orlwillbeback » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:15 pm

The whole smart-exum debate is similar to the decision gms had to make between oj mayo and russell westbrook. One is a more proven, older player. The other is an explosive guard with less proof. We all know how that turned out.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#929 » by Orlwillbeback » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:17 pm

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Orlwillbeback wrote:The big take away from that video is that exum torches anyone not named marcus smart.

He did cross Smart though. Try searching for videos of Smart getting crossed over on YouTube... I bet you find like 1. Now there will be 2.

I dont think you can really discredit smarts game on defense though. He is a prodigy when it comes to defense.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#930 » by OrlandO » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:21 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:
OrlandO wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:The big take away from that video is that exum torches anyone not named marcus smart.

He did cross Smart though. Try searching for videos of Smart getting crossed over on YouTube... I bet you find like 1. Now there will be 2.

I dont think you can really discredit smarts game on defense though. He is a prodigy when it comes to defense.

I'm not discrediting Smart's defense. I'm doing the opposite and giving props to Exum, 17 yrs old and still in HS at the time, for being able to crossover an elite NCAA defender who rarely gets rocked like that (hence the 1 play on youtube).
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#931 » by Baka_La Flame » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:29 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Orlandipo wrote:Exum definitly has some red flags. His FT shooting worries me as does his jumper in general. From what I've seen he struggles to get his shot off the bounce.. He needs to do a better job of creating space to get off his jumper especially considering his low realease. His love interest with the Lakers isn't a red flag.. but considering our past history with star players developing here and leaving for LA I would be lying if I said it didn't bother me. He gets to the rim extremely well but I don't know if he's strong enough or explosive enough to finish over some of the better rim protectors in the NBA. All things considered i still wouldn't mind taking him 4th but if we did I would prefer to play it safe with our next pick and try and trade up for Randle. At least if we miss with Exum we would not walk away from the draft empty handed. If we take Smart then we can gamble on potential with our second pick.


Top 4 all have red flags


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None more than Exum.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#932 » by OrlDave » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:36 pm

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cedric76 wrote:
Orlandipo wrote:Exum definitly has some red flags. His FT shooting worries me as does his jumper in general. From what I've seen he struggles to get his shot off the bounce.. He needs to do a better job of creating space to get off his jumper especially considering his low realease. His love interest with the Lakers isn't a red flag.. but considering our past history with star players developing here and leaving for LA I would be lying if I said it didn't bother me. He gets to the rim extremely well but I don't know if he's strong enough or explosive enough to finish over some of the better rim protectors in the NBA. All things considered i still wouldn't mind taking him 4th but if we did I would prefer to play it safe with our next pick and try and trade up for Randle. At least if we miss with Exum we would not walk away from the draft empty handed. If we take Smart then we can gamble on potential with our second pick.


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None more than Exum.


Which is why he'll likely go 4th rather than top 3. Remember that WE (the Magic) don't have a choice in the top 4. We get who falls to us barring a trade up.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#933 » by Smooth_E » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:39 pm

Orlandipo wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Orlandipo wrote:Exum definitly has some red flags. His FT shooting worries me as does his jumper in general. From what I've seen he struggles to get his shot off the bounce.. He needs to do a better job of creating space to get off his jumper especially considering his low realease. His love interest with the Lakers isn't a red flag.. but considering our past history with star players developing here and leaving for LA I would be lying if I said it didn't bother me. He gets to the rim extremely well but I don't know if he's strong enough or explosive enough to finish over some of the better rim protectors in the NBA. All things considered i still wouldn't mind taking him 4th but if we did I would prefer to play it safe with our next pick and try and trade up for Randle. At least if we miss with Exum we would not walk away from the draft empty handed. If we take Smart then we can gamble on potential with our second pick.


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None more than Exum.


Really? Because Joel Embiid's flag probably waves higher than the rest. A Ferrari is useless if it's chassis is in bad condition. Unlike a Ferrari, you can't just buy a new back/spine. Exum may need help on his game, but at least we know he is okay physically. Embiid can be great, but if his back is in bad shape.. see: Tracy McGrady

Embiid’s condition is called spondylolysis. Essentially, a spondylolysis is a defect in the pars interarticularis, an area of the vertebrae that connects the vertebral facets, or joints that adjoin vertebrae together. A spondylolysis occurs most commonly in the lumbar spine, and presents on an X-Ray as a gap between the facet joints, with a possible forward shifting of the vertebral body. A good example of a spondylolysis image can be found here. Essentially, it’s a stress fracture in the joint, similar to an “ankle fracture,” which is usually a fracture of the tibia or fibula around the ankle.

A spondylolysis typically presents as an achy pain in the low back, which may radiate into the legs. Typically, pain is present during spine extension, and a catching sensation may be felt as the person returns to an upright position after bending forward. Pain may also occur in side-bending or rotation to the same side. In a basketball sense, pain is going to be most present during activities that require extension of the spine: shooting, contesting shots, and rebounding = basicallyeverything that Joel Embiid does on the basketball court. A spondylolysis can also be asymptomatic at the time of injury, which can make this injury difficult to manage.


http://rightdowneuclid.com/2014/05/25/c ... ck-injury/
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#934 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:05 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I guess being Parker, Wiggins and Embiid are not available, fans can annoint Exum as their next superstar.

If you asked our board, Mil, and Phil, if Exum/Wiggins/Parker are available, how many would take Exum? I think you'd get a surprisingly equal share of votes for Exum. I don't think his hype at 4 is there by default but because he truly has as much potential as the others.

I'd be equally happy with all three, and think our GM would look at all 3 and seriously consider them all, if we sat at #2.


I been to their boards and they all want Wiggins, Parker and Embiid.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#935 » by Baka_La Flame » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:21 pm

I think Embids injury concerns have been a bit overblown to be honest. He would have came back to play the next game if Kansas would have advanced. I think people look at Oden and Bynum and automatically associate Embid with them for some reason. Same with wiggins.. Sure he has some weaknesses but he is far more proven then Exum and his jumper shows way more promise. Parker.. Lets not even go there. He's the 4th best prospect for a reason and that's because he's not in their class. he's a second tier prospect and if he can't shoot it better then Marcus Smart then ill take Smart over him all day. That's really what it comes down to for me. Who is a better shooter between the two. I think Exum has better shot selection but smart will shot a better percentage from the perimeter. It's close tho. Either one can be the pick
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#936 » by OrlandO » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:22 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I guess being Parker, Wiggins and Embiid are not available, fans can annoint Exum as their next superstar.

If you asked our board, Mil, and Phil, if Exum/Wiggins/Parker are available, how many would take Exum? I think you'd get a surprisingly equal share of votes for Exum. I don't think his hype at 4 is there by default but because he truly has as much potential as the others.

I'd be equally happy with all three, and think our GM would look at all 3 and seriously consider them all, if we sat at #2.


I been to their boards and they all want Wiggins, Parker and Embiid.

Who cares about the fans. Remember this?

"I know everyone is so excited to see Jabari and those guys dominate," one GM told ESPN. "I know the old guard is going to play it safe. But maybe I'm young and foolish, but I think Exum ends up being the guy everyone wishes they took in a few years. All of them are going to be great, but when you watch Exum, you see the ability to be a generational talent. My owner might kill me, but I think you take Exum, regardless of what the other guys do this year. Exum's already proved it to me."
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#937 » by Bensational » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:52 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Evidently, the after Exum's workout, the Bucks still like Embiid, Parker and Wiggins more. Wiggins got invited for a 2nd workout while Embiid and Parker had Hammond fly out to take them out to dinner. Exum's workout was just good, not great.


that's because Parker and Embiid are that high on themselves they refused to go to Milwaukee in the first place, and had to be wined and dined.

isn't that what you'd have been saying if Exum had worked out in LA rather than Milwaukee? at least Exum can say that he's temporarily based in LA because he doesn't have a home in the USA. what's Parker and Embiid's excuse?
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Post#938 » by Orlwillbeback » Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:15 pm

My board is embiid parker exum wiggins smart
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#939 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:25 pm

Bensational wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Evidently, the after Exum's workout, the Bucks still like Embiid, Parker and Wiggins more. Wiggins got invited for a 2nd workout while Embiid and Parker had Hammond fly out to take them out to dinner. Exum's workout was just good, not great.


that's because Parker and Embiid are that high on themselves they refused to go to Milwaukee in the first place, and had to be wined and dined.

isn't that what you'd have been saying if Exum had worked out in LA rather than Milwaukee? at least Exum can say that he's temporarily based in LA because he doesn't have a home in the USA. what's Parker and Embiid's excuse?


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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#940 » by fendilim » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:51 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
fendilim wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
Oh, I get it, Bucks want to wine and dine Embiid, Parker and Wiggins while stating that Exum's workout was just good.

Yup. They dont have to be drunk to see how good of a person with impeccable character Exum is compared to Wiggins, Parker and embiid.


Lets see. The job of a GM is to pick the player that best fits his team not only talent wise, but chemistry wise. Hammond spends extensive time with Embiid, Wiggins and Parker while Exum is in and out for a quick workout. Then, Hammond asks for a second workout from Wiggins.

You can read into that all you want, but when a player nobody knows hardly anything about is in only for a quick workout while the other players are wined and dined, then that is pretty much a sure tell tale sign that Exum is not being considered better than those options.

And, if that is what happened thus far, then I have doubts about Exum being worthy of the 4th pick too.
Well, it says a lot though to be considered for a top 2 pick. ;)
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