Defensive Reasons - The PJ Hairston Thread

[HornetJail]

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wtf did MKG change his number?

[JDR720]

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wtf did MKG change his number?

no its for the class of 2014

[Liver_Pooty]

Thats a face only a mother could love.

[ball teacher]

Feel bad for kemba, but I'm sure he's happy shabazz ended up with heat.

As a UConn fan, I preferred Shabazz Napier on the Heat than the Hornets. He deserved to go some place where he could earn the starting spot sooner than later

The Heat already have a PG named Lebron James. You will never get a chance to be a real point guard on the team with Lebron until he decides to focus on being a scorer instead of a distributor.

[Liver_Pooty]

Feel bad for kemba, but I'm sure he's happy shabazz ended up with heat.

As a UConn fan, I preferred Shabazz Napier on the Heat than the Hornets. He deserved to go some place where he could earn the starting spot sooner than later

The Heat already have a PG named Lebron James. You will never get a chance to be a real point guard on the team with Lebron until he decides to focus on being a scorer instead of a distributor.

I hope Lebron is a better teammate to Napier than he was Chalmers. He was mean as hell at times to Chalmers, and a lot of it was unnecessary. Stuff like that can mess with a guys confidence.

[mrknowitall215]

Feel bad for kemba, but I'm sure he's happy shabazz ended up with heat.

As a UConn fan, I preferred Shabazz Napier on the Heat than the Hornets. He deserved to go some place where he could earn the starting spot sooner than later

The Heat already have a PG named Lebron James. You will never get a chance to be a real point guard on the team with Lebron until he decides to focus on being a scorer instead of a distributor.

If LeBron ever truly want to stop blaming his teammates or feeling too dependent on in games when it really matter then he need to start relinquishing some duties, whereas he can't expect to be the lead scorer, passer, and most ball-dominant player all of the time making his teammates statues that play off him creating for everyone, taking them out of the roles that made them high level professional ball players, and then expect for them to increase their level of play

[DY_nasty]

also, chalmers is a clown. people talk about stephenson but mario has been just as bad if not worse for the last two years

As a UConn fan, I preferred Shabazz Napier on the Heat than the Hornets. He deserved to go some place where he could earn the starting spot sooner than later

The Heat already have a PG named Lebron James. You will never get a chance to be a real point guard on the team with Lebron until he decides to focus on being a scorer instead of a distributor.

If LeBron ever truly want to stop blaming his teammates or feeling too dependent on in games when it really matter then he need to start relinquishing some duties, whereas he can't expect to be the lead scorer, passer, and most ball-dominant player all of the time making his teammates statues that play off him creating for everyone, taking them out of the roles that made them high level professional ball players, and then expect for them to increase their level of play

He didn't make Wade's knees implode and give a damn die nor did he make Bosh a crappy rebounder and reluctant regarding physical contact

he doesn't make mario chalmers commit the dumbest of fouls. he doesn't make norris cole consistently garbage at everything not involving defense. he doesn't give beasley the wrong defensive gameplan tape. he doesn't kick oden in his back after every game.

those guys all sucked - individually. and spoelstra is a remarkably average coach in that he can't do his job and find better ways to mitigate those short comings and push strengths while having the most efficient two way player of all time on his roster.

you're pushing that storyline way too hard

[mrknowitall215]

also, chalmers is a clown. people talk about stephenson but mario has been just as bad if not worse for the last two years

The Heat already have a PG named Lebron James. You will never get a chance to be a real point guard on the team with Lebron until he decides to focus on being a scorer instead of a distributor.

If LeBron ever truly want to stop blaming his teammates or feeling too dependent on in games when it really matter then he need to start relinquishing some duties, whereas he can't expect to be the lead scorer, passer, and most ball-dominant player all of the time making his teammates statues that play off him creating for everyone, taking them out of the roles that made them high level professional ball players, and then expect for them to increase their level of play

He didn't make Wade's knees implode and give a damn die nor did he make Bosh a crappy rebounder and reluctant regarding physical contact

he doesn't make mario chalmers commit the dumbest of fouls. he doesn't make norris cole consistently garbage at everything not involving defense. he doesn't give beasley the wrong defensive gameplan tape. he doesn't kick oden in his back after every game.

those guys all sucked - individually. and spoelstra is a remarkably average coach in that he can't do his job and find better ways to mitigate those short comings and push strengths while having the most efficient two way player of all time on his roster.

you're pushing that storyline way too hard

Now it's "his teammates sucks" when they were the biggest reason why LeBron even has 2 championship rings to boast right now. They don't beat the Spurs in 2013 without Ray Allen, Shane Battier, and Mike Miller delivering dagger after dagger. My narrative isn't to denounce LeBron's greatness, but to push the envelope that he need to take his game to a higher level when it really matters since he is so great, because he can and he should. He can't be content with 28 points, 6 assist, and 7 rebounds. He sleepwalk to those numbers as great as he is. If his teammates weren't delivering, I would've like to have seen him average 40 points, not just to put numbers on the board, but to put pressure on the Spurs to change their game plan

LeBron loses in Miami, and all of a sudden it's Cleveland all over again despite having 3 HOF'ers on his team. People need to wake up, for real. LeBron didn't win in Cleveland by himself, and he didn't win in Miami by himself. It's a team sport. Popovich exposed a brilliant game plan that didn't allow the ball to stick in one player's hands too much. I'll just leave it at that

[DY_nasty]

also, chalmers is a clown. people talk about stephenson but mario has been just as bad if not worse for the last two years

If LeBron ever truly want to stop blaming his teammates or feeling too dependent on in games when it really matter then he need to start relinquishing some duties, whereas he can't expect to be the lead scorer, passer, and most ball-dominant player all of the time making his teammates statues that play off him creating for everyone, taking them out of the roles that made them high level professional ball players, and then expect for them to increase their level of play

He didn't make Wade's knees implode and give a damn die nor did he make Bosh a crappy rebounder and reluctant regarding physical contact

he doesn't make mario chalmers commit the dumbest of fouls. he doesn't make norris cole consistently garbage at everything not involving defense. he doesn't give beasley the wrong defensive gameplan tape. he doesn't kick oden in his back after every game.

those guys all sucked - individually. and spoelstra is a remarkably average coach in that he can't do his job and find better ways to mitigate those short comings and push strengths while having the most efficient two way player of all time on his roster.

you're pushing that storyline way too hard

Now it's "his teammates sucks" when they were the biggest reason why LeBron even has 2 championship rings to boast right now. They don't beat the Spurs in 2013 without Ray Allen, Shane Battier, and Mike Miller delivering dagger after dagger. My narrative isn't to denounce LeBron's greatness, but to push the envelope that he need to take his game to a higher level when it really matters since he is so great, because he can and he should. He can't be content with 28 points, 6 assist, and 7 rebounds. He sleepwalk to those numbers as great as he is. If his teammates weren't delivering, I would've like to have seen him average 40 points, not just to put numbers on the board, but to put pressure on the Spurs to change their game plan

LeBron loses in Miami, and all of a sudden it's Cleveland all over again despite having 3 HOF'ers on his team. People need to wake up, for real. LeBron didn't win in Cleveland by himself, and he didn't win in Miami by himself. It's a team sport. Popovich exposed a brilliant game plan that didn't allow the ball to stick in one player's hands too much. I'll just leave it at that

your entire argument is that things don't change

breh

time exists

[mrknowitall215]

your entire argument is that things don't change

breh

time exists

No. My entire argument is that maybe it would be of good if LeBron relinquish his ball-dominant duties some to a point guard like Shabazz Napier as he get into his 30's. That was my argument. Reading is comprehension

[DY_nasty]

your entire argument is that things don't change

breh

time exists

No. My entire argument is that maybe it would be of good if LeBron relinquish his ball-dominant duties some to a point guard like Shabazz Napier as he get into his 30's. That was my argument. Reading is comprehension

Dude you completely ignored that 2013 was not 2010 and 2014. Those guys all played differently. Didn't even bother to acknowledge the "why" in it either.

You're just regurgitating played out entertainment storylines from ESPN over and over. There's a ton of things you can say about Miami players from this year compared to last year - but obtusely, lazily, and purposefully neglectfully shortening it all into "they were good enough last year, why aren't they good enough this year?" is exactly the same kind of garbage that has people looking for other outlets outside of ESPN's brand of 'journalism'.

[mrknowitall215]

your entire argument is that things don't change

breh

time exists

No. My entire argument is that maybe it would be of good if LeBron relinquish his ball-dominant duties some to a point guard like Shabazz Napier as he get into his 30's. That was my argument. Reading is comprehension

Dude you completely ignored that 2013 was not 2010 and 2014. Those guys all played differently. Didn't even bother to acknowledge the "why" in it either.

You're just regurgitating played out entertainment storylines from ESPN over and over. There's a ton of things you can say about Miami players from this year compared to last year - but obtusely, lazily, and purposefully neglectfully shortening it all into "they were good enough last year, why aren't they good enough this year?" is exactly the same kind of garbage that has people looking for other outlets outside of ESPN's brand of 'journalism'.

My statement was clear: that LeBron might want to start letting his teammates handle the ball more to help himself. One thing about Phil Jackson's 'Triangle Offense' is that it didn't allow one player to become too ball dominant so that a defense can zero in on him. LeBron James is the best player in the league. There's no denying that. I don't know where you're trying to take it. You're just misconstruing my words all over the place

[Diop]

This thread is for Hairston, keep it on topic

Take the Lebron/Heat talk elsewhere

[Elden Payton]

Thats a face only a mother could love.

He looks like the black Abe Lincoln.

[Just_Bullz]

This can prove to be a sleeper hit, hairston will be playing with a chip on his shoulder.

If he pans out to be player that has gotten over himself, he may have a danny green or patty mills impact on the team.

[mrknowitall215]

I'll predict that P.J. Hairston could have a George McCloud type of career. I know I'm digging in the treasure vault, but that's probably the only player that I can think of and put a thumb on that's about his size and played similar based on watching Hairston's breakdown tape(s). If his off-court issues ring true, to put it into a spicier narrative for the more modern folks, I could see him becoming a poor man's J.R. Smith as a 3-point shot heavy jack-o-lantern

[MasterIchiro]

Tom Sorenson on the Hairston pick

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/0 ... 64tLq7jJOQ

[Elden Payton]

A fan made a Michael Redd comparison.

I can see it.

[amcoolio]

I would like to read that but my script to bypass the paywall isn't working. Nobody else gets the "you must pay to view this story" on charlotte observer?

I get that they need to make money but this is absolutely the wrong way to do this.

[MasterIchiro]

I would like to read that but my script to bypass the paywall isn't working. Nobody else gets the "you must pay to view this story" on charlotte observer?

I get that they need to make money but this is absolutely the wrong way to do this.

Before I get to Charlotte’s picks, I have to get this out of the way. Until Thursday Sacramento was a city I never thought about. And I’ve been there. And then, with the 8th pick in the 2014 NBA draft, Sacramento selected Michigan guard Nik Stauskas. Stauskas would have been a tremendous asset for the Hornets.

With the ninth pick, the Hornets did not select Creighton small forward Doug McDermott, which they apparently were supposed to. They took Indiana power forward Noah Vonleh.

The 4,000 or so fans at Time Warner Cable Arena reacted by, except for a few hundred McDermott holdouts, standing and cheering. The ovation was rousing. When fans finished they pulled out their cell phones and Googled Vonleh to figure out who he is.

This is who Vonleh is: He’s 18, played one season for Indiana and was the Big Ten Freshman of the Year. He is 6-10 and weighs 240 pounds. He’s tough and he's an athlete. He averaged 11.3 points and 9 rebounds – he led the Big Ten in rebounding -- blocked 1.4 shots and hit 52.3% from the field.

Vonleh is not as sophisticated or as polished offensively as Cody Zeller, the Indiana big man the Hornets took with their first pick last June. He was not nearly as integral to the Hoosiers’ offense as Zeller was.

The Hornets, obviously, believe Vonleh will develop. He played guard his first two seasons in high school, when he was a mere 6-5. He can handle the ball. He also is more likely to impose himself inside than Zeller.

But let’s say free-agent Josh McRoberts departs (and I hope he doesn’t). Can a team start Vonleh at power forward, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist at small forward and Gerald Henderson at shooting guard? From whom do the points come?

And the final score: Charlotte 61, Philadelphia 60.

But there was hope. The Hornets still had the 24th pick, and they had an opportunity to take a shooter – P.J. Hairston, a Greensboro native who played for North Carolina.

Commissioner Adam Silver walked to the lectern and announced that – the Hornets inexplicably drafted Connecticut point guard Shabazz Napier. Silver didn't say inexplicably but he could have. Suddenly I liked Sacramento more than Charlotte. You can’t take a backup point guard 24th, not when you have to have a player who can shoot from the outside and reasonably expect the ball to go in.

Although Napier briefly wore a Hornets cap, he spent less time with Charlotte than most of us spend waiting in line for coffee. Charlotte had cut a deal with Miami, which drafted 26th. The Hornets traded Shabazz to the Heat for the 26th pick and spare change.

With the 26th pick, Charlotte grabbed Hairston.

Hairston, 6-foot-6, struggled at North Carolina, mostly with automobiles. He didn’t struggle on the court.

He looks like a pro when he walks into the gym, onto the court and whenever he shoots. He has strength and size and he shoots as if he was meant to. Had he not been booted from Chapel Hill to Texas and the Development League, he would have been drafted a half hour earlier.

Vonleh lasted longer than expected and Hairston lasted longer than expected to. This was a fine first round for Charlotte. I still don't like Sacramento, but I dislike it less than I did.

Sorensen: 704-358-5119; tsorensen@charlotteobserver.com; Twitter: @tomsorensen


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