Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

[clutchiness]

the question is not so much about kidd's past behavior and criminal charges, but how would you feel if/when such events occur again when he is representing (and running) the Bucks?

That may be your question, but it isn't "the" question.

I've already talked about "The" questions about Kidd/Lazry, etc. I was referring to an exchange in the thread about whether Kidd's past legal issues were relevant or not. Probably should have quoted.

[VooDoo7]

Why in the F would we give up anything, even if it is "just" 2nd round picks??

[bizarro]

Why is it a crime all of a sudden to express our concerns that Kidd might not be qualified to do this position? We should let an unqualified person fail before we judge? What the hell? Why not hire me? Or you? Don't judge, let me fail first.

I don't think a single person was calling it a crime to express concerns about Kidd's lack of qualifications. They're extremely valid concerns and they should be voiced. I completely agree with you: At face value, he's entirely unqualified to get such a position.

[White+Purple]

If Lasry and Edens want to hire Kidd, I'm assuming they have good reason to do so and I'm going to maintain an air of curiosity and interest as it all unfolds.

This is where it falls down for me. They like Kidd have zero NBA management background - rookies hiring rookies equals s***storm in most circumstances.

[nagawicka]

windhorst on espn saying this (compensation for Kidd to Bucks) will probably get settled in the next few hours

Also said he believes Brooklyn will push for more than just 2nd round picks, but that he believes it'll probably end up just being 2nd rounders.

At least that's the gist I got from what he said. Still hoping we simply give up the Brooklyn 2nd round pick and maybe some cash and call their bluff.

Why would the Milwaukee Bucks give the Nets ANY compensation?

They're desperate; we're not. The Nets are locked into aging veterans; The Bucks are loaded with young prospects, flexibility and nowhere to go but up.

The Nets have a problem child on their hands, a Head Coach they've dumped for all the right reasons; no matter what happens, the Nets won't -- can't -- have Jason Kidd at the helm next year. They gotta get rid of Kidd either way.

They hold no cards.

I say, no compensation whatsoever. And if Jason Kidd is so desperate to coach, er control everything, in Milwaukee, maybe he can pay his own ticket by covering any compensation to the Nets.

Then there's the outright stupidity of offering draft picks as compensation, full stop:

First off: damn straight the Bucks shouldn't give up a first rounder for Kidd. While the Clippers might have been willing to part with a 2015 unprotected first for the right to poach Doc Rivers from Boston, the Kidd situation is markedly different on a number of different levels. For starters, Rivers is a far more sought-after commodity than Kidd, and there's also an enormous difference in value between a first rounder from the title-contending Clippers compared to the rebuilding Bucks. Add in the fact that new owners Marc Lasry and Wes Edens have trumpeted the importance of Milwaukee building through the draft and it becomes almost incomprehensible to give up a prime pick in order to hire a guy who already appears to have burned bridges in Brooklyn (there are a few). Realistically even one of the Bucks' own second rounders--likely to be in the 30s next year--would seem a steep price to pay for Kidd, who successfully turned around the Nets in January but has no experience on the basketball operations side.

http://www.brewhoop.com/2014/6/29/5854448/jason-kidd-nets-bucks-draft-picks-compensation

[clutchiness]

the question is not so much about kidd's past behavior and criminal charges, but how would you feel if/when such events occur again when he is representing (and running) the Bucks?

Here's the thing about these moral agendas when it comes to sports figures:

Atheletes and those in athletics routinely are involved with questionable activities outside of the actual game. I don't personally condone any of it (nor does anyone on this board, it appears), but I also don't look to sports for any semblance of a moral compass. Case and point: Brett Favre. The hallowed icon of GB was a complete and utter partier and adulterer. Routinely womanizing young women in bars in and around Wisconsin. This is known fact. He was also a drug addict. He texted a picture of his penis to a woman who worked in the Jets organization. And on and on. That being said, I would never trade those years of enjoyment he provided in the 90's. They were epic. Numerous execs and coaches in the game have DUI's...as do players. Ray Rice happened. Ray Lewis' incident happened. Kobe's incident happened. And on and on. It's just a different world where a different mentality and energy pervades these lives. And, I don't know it. And, I don't care to know it. On the other hand, I am greatly entertained by the games. All the hoopla in these individuals lives etc...I could just care less about.

Kidd could get in trouble w/ the law again and that would reflect poorly on the Bucks for obvious reasons. And, at the same time, he could lead them to the ECF. Who the hell knows. All I know is I've never and will never look to Jason Kidd as a barometer for how I live my life and how I value myself and others. It's just a complete non-factor. If Lasry and Edens want to hire Kidd, I'm assuming they have good reason to do so and I'm going to maintain an air of curiosity and interest as it all unfolds.

My two cents.

I think a better comp would be looking at management/ownership, rather than players who are taking god-knows-what to get through a season, are on the road constantly, etc. Typically you want a higher standard for your management and ownership. Maybe that concept is outdated, but it makes a lot of sense to me.

As for Kidd, I'm no district attorney but given his record, I don't know that he'd get off lightly the next time. If he's in jail for a month or so, how does that impact your organization? Things I hope Lazry is thinking about when Jason is showing him his mavs title ring and telling keith van horn jokes.

[SeaLORD_0318]

Why in the F would we give up anything, even if it is "just" 2nd round picks??

I think this was brought up by Wich but could there be tampering accusations brought up by the Nets? I dunno but it may be too late to wait it out then sign him after he's fired.

[JayMKE]

windhorst on espn saying this (compensation for Kidd to Bucks) will probably get settled in the next few hours

windhorst asked why bucks would want kidd: "this, I don't understand...it seems like mark lazry wants his friend...the situation in milwaukee will require a lot of skill..."

He is 100% correct, this move is baffling, you need to hire someone who has had success building a small market team into a winner or has been a key cog in the process. Lasry needs quit acting like a jock sniffer and more like an intelligent businessman. What worries me the most about all of this is that new ownership DIDN'T have a plan at all, flying by the seat of their pants and when this jag became available they were horribly reactionary. If this Kidd thing goes down all we have are richer versions of Herbie, and that is sad.

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[nagawicka]

If Lasry and Edens want to hire Kidd, I'm assuming they have good reason to do so and I'm going to maintain an air of curiosity and interest as it all unfolds.

This is where it falls down for me. They like Kidd have zero NBA management background - rookies hiring rookies equals s***storm in most circumstances.

Nailed it.

Lasry and Edens have loads of time to interview dozens of candidates.*

*Where 'loads' and 'dozens' = plenty.

[machu46]

windhorst on espn saying this (compensation for Kidd to Bucks) will probably get settled in the next few hours

Also said he believes Brooklyn will push for more than just 2nd round picks, but that he believes it'll probably end up just being 2nd rounders.

At least that's the gist I got from what he said. Still hoping we simply give up the Brooklyn 2nd round pick and maybe some cash and call their bluff.

Why would the Milwaukee Bucks give the Nets ANY compensation?

They're desperate; we're not. The Nets are locked into aging veterans; The Bucks are loaded with young prospects, flexibility and nowhere to go but up.

The Nets have a problem child on their hands, a Head Coach they've dumped for all the right reasons; no matter what happens, the Nets won't -- can't -- have Jason Kidd at the helm next year. They gotta get rid of Kidd either way.

They hold no cards.

I say, no compensation whatsoever. And if Jason Kidd is so desperate to coach, er control everything, in Milwaukee, maybe he can pay his own ticket by covering any compensation to the Nets.

Then there's the outright stupidity of offering draft picks as compensation, full stop:

First off: damn straight the Bucks shouldn't give up a first rounder for Kidd. While the Clippers might have been willing to part with a 2015 unprotected first for the right to poach Doc Rivers from Boston, the Kidd situation is markedly different on a number of different levels. For starters, Rivers is a far more sought-after commodity than Kidd, and there's also an enormous difference in value between a first rounder from the title-contending Clippers compared to the rebuilding Bucks. Add in the fact that new owners Marc Lasry and Wes Edens have trumpeted the importance of Milwaukee building through the draft and it becomes almost incomprehensible to give up a prime pick in order to hire a guy who already appears to have burned bridges in Brooklyn (there are a few). Realistically even one of the Bucks' own second rounders--likely to be in the 30s next year--would seem a steep price to pay for Kidd, who successfully turned around the Nets in January but has no experience on the basketball operations side.

http://www.brewhoop.com/2014/6/29/5854448/jason-kidd-nets-bucks-draft-picks-compensation

I completely agree, but it does seem to be looking like we're going to give up a draft pick of some sort.

[VooDoo7]

Why in the F would we give up anything, even if it is "just" 2nd round picks??

I think this was brought up by Wich but could there be tampering accusations brought up by the Nets? I dunno but it may be too late to wait it out then sign him after he's fired.

Hmm, could. If so, that's one more mark against our new owners.

[RRyder823]

I'll say this. Bringing in Kidd may very well help the Bucks win over "casual" fans in the short term simply because he's a name that people that don't follow basketball will recognize. Not a huge fan of this move and will wait and see what happens if/when this goes through though. Would actually prefer Lionel Hollins to be the next coach of the Bucks so the fact that we're going to be giving up picks, even if they're only 2nd rounders, is a little bit of a kick in the teeth and the Nets are making out pretty good in the deal which just sucks even more.

Hell if they wanted a "name" to run the organization to get "casuals" interested again why not just let Big Dog run things. They have similar resumes when it comes to being a POBO. And Hell we already passed on Kidd once for Robinson why not just make it a 2nd lol

[SeaLORD_0318]

Why in the F would we give up anything, even if it is "just" 2nd round picks??

I think this was brought up by Wich but could there be tampering accusations brought up by the Nets? I dunno but it may be too late to wait it out then sign him after he's fired.

Hmm, could. If so, that's one more mark against our new owners.

Friendships blur lines and this one could be a costly lesson learned for the young owners.

[bizarro]

If Lasry and Edens want to hire Kidd, I'm assuming they have good reason to do so and I'm going to maintain an air of curiosity and interest as it all unfolds.

This is where it falls down for me. They like Kidd have zero NBA management background - rookies hiring rookies equals s***storm in most circumstances.

You may indeed be right. Their management resume is in entirely different arenas of business. It will certainly be interesting as this unfolds more and more.

[clutchiness]

I just hope Jabari doesn't tell Lazry/Edens that HE wants to be president of basketball operations...

[glenn]

I just hope Jabari doesn't tell Lazry/Edens that HE wants to be president of basketball operations...

Why do you keep calling him Lazry? Are you trying to be funny, or are you making a genuine mistake?

[Sauce Boss]

I've basically just skimmed the past ten pages looking for embedded tweets or a buckpack post and didn't see much. Last thing I remember seeing reported was that we actually understand leverage and are trying to give the Nets nothing. Any new news to note that I missed?

[Frank Nova]

I just hope Jabari doesn't tell Lazry/Edens that HE wants to be president of basketball operations...

20yrs later, a hall of fame playing career and 1yr coaching experience and we'd be in the same predicament.

[WiscoKing13]

windhorst asked why bucks would want kidd: "this, I don't understand...it seems like mark lazry wants his friend...the situation in milwaukee will require a lot of skill..."

He is 100% correct, this move is baffling, you need to hire someone who has had success building a small market team into a winner or has been a key cog in the process. Lasry needs quit acting like a jock sniffer and more like an intelligent businessman. What worries me the most about all of this is that new ownership DIDN'T have a plan at all, flying by the seat of their pants and when this jag became available they were horribly reactionary. If this Kidd thing goes down all we have are richer versions of Herbie, and that is sad.

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This proves what? that there's 30 GM's in the league and finding a good one is very hard to do? You're never going to have sure bet in anything, but there's a general consensus we'd like someone with a front office background than than a former player a year removed from the court?

Let a long get a guy the entire league is laughing about.

[WiscoKing13]

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