Sources say LeBron to seek Max Deal

[NYKNICKPLAYA]

But Knicksgod--- isn't Lebron esentially, all of their agents. If I were Lebron, I'd say, just low ball Bosh and sign Melo.

No, I'm saying that it's highly unlikely that Bosh and Wade's agent opted out UNLESS Riley said "You can always get back the current agreement" OR SOMETHING SIMILAR -- it just buys Riley time to work and those guys are keeping an open mind.

Riley could not lowball Bosh or Wade without violating his agreement with the agent.

Rasho is right that Bosh could get a good offer from somewhere else now, and that would be the best win-win for the Heat. Although they'd still be stuck with Wade.

Bosh and Wade are free-agents...Riley can offer them like 6 million per, so they will leave and they can sign better players.

[siar617]

The good thing for us is he is seeking a two year deal with an option after the first. Just enough time to prove Phil knows what he is doing.

[K_ick_God]

You said Wade will not play for a lot less with Bron at a Max, and now you have him at 9 lol? You said that like 5 minutes ago. Now you have him at 9, just to win an argument with someone you don't even know. I love it!

Its called a conditional argument, I'm playing by your rules, which seems to be the NY Knicks are in much better position than the Miami Heat right now. The point is, anything YOU can imagine the KNicks pulling off, the Heat are in a position to do as well.

Me? I got James, Wade and Bosh all going back to Miami.

You got Stat going to Orlando, Bargani going somewhere, James coming here the the Knicks at a discount, Melo coming back at an even steeper discount. And Gasol maybe coming next here at an even greater discount.

Good day to you professor. My honest advise to you, in the spirit of sports ... You can't win them all, and there's always tomorrow, you'll get 'em next time.

So then I'm sure you'll take your own advice and get back to me when the NBA actually disciplines anyone for a a verbal "violation".

Unless of course, there's never been any of those in the NBA.

I said nothing of the sort. I have James staying, on a capped-out team that is more or less stuck unless Wade becomes Benjamin Button.

With all due respect, you are twisting my words and stirring the ashes of some terrible arguments and some even worse immaturity that impels you to try to eke out false victories after you've been exposed and proven wrong.

I find it funny for a second and then kind of pathetic to be taking part in it later. I'm done responding to you for a few days and I'd appreciate it if you could do the same. Thanks.

[K_ick_God]

The good thing for us is he is seeking a two year deal with an option after the first. Just enough time to prove Phil knows what he is doing.

Where did you hear that he is seeking an opt-out after the first? The problem with that (I think but don't know for sure) is that he wouldn't be able to get an opt-out next summer on a long-term deal. It'd have to be 1 plus an option.

[NYKNICKPLAYA]

@Knicksgod I still don't get your angle on the verbal agreement with Riley and the agent. They are all free-agents, Lebron could tell his agent to play the game a certain way so that only who he wants to be there, is there. And if I was Lebron, I wouldn't want Bosh AND Wade. Probably neither, better off spending money on different players, such as Melo, Lowry and change.

[JBreezeNY]

Lebron is tired of pretending to be in the same ballpark as other players. When Wade and Bosh were Wade and Bosh it made more sense, now he's carrying the load and anyone who wants to play with the best player on the planet will get whatever they get, not his concern.

E-X-actly.

[K_ick_God]

@Knicksgod I still don't get your angle on the verbal agreement with Riley and the agent. They are all free-agents, Lebron could tell his agent to play the game a certain way so that only who he wants to be there, is there. And if I was Lebron, I wouldn't want Bosh AND Wade. Probably neither, better off spending money on different players, such as Melo, Lowry and change.

I'm saying that the only way he got them to technically agree to be free agents is by verbally telling the agent for both players (same guy) that he would take care of them somehow. What that assurance is, we don't know. But I suspect it has to meet a high bar because I doubt that his agent would agree to totally expose his clients like this.

Both had bad endings to their playoffs. If Riley said "Just please opt out but I can't promise you what will happen," it would not have happened.

You are right that technically Riley could renounce both of them tomorrow. 12:00 AM tonight. But he has made a promise he won't do that, and he has promised them that they can get their money back (most or all) if nothing else materializes.

But something may. Bosh could definitely get signed away. So it's definitely too early to say it won't work. It probably will in some form. I think even with Wade on the roster and getting 15, it will make the Heat's job harder. To build a great team that is.

[HeartBreaking]

Lebron is tired of pretending to be in the same ballpark as other players. When Wade and Bosh were Wade and Bosh it made more sense, now he's carrying the load and anyone who wants to play with the best player on the planet will get whatever they get, not his concern.

E-X-actly.

Its funny because its as if wade and bosh deferred complete responsibility to lebron. Its as if you're in a group in school or the real world and getting paid the same while others are slacking and leaning on you. Bosh decided he would play like a little bitch and not resemble himself in toronto at all, wade got injured and is a piece of **** who can only work the midrange game and can't do much else these days. And the rest of the team sucks.

[suicidedeuce]

I said nothing of the sort. I have James staying, on a capped-out team that is more or less stuck unless Wade becomes Benjamin Button.

When people were speculating MELO going there to you brushed that off as no big deal, said the team would have no size.

But James coming here to a team with no size? The Knicks are sitting pretty.

[NYKNICKPLAYA]

@Knicksgod...I agree. Hard to see Wade, and Bosh getting that money, but I agree with you on that the agent wouldn't expose the players (without some kind of verbal outline/promise), especially with how they ended in the playoffs. Unless Lebron is the mastermind behind all of this, and told his agent- he's leaving unless the agent gets all the players to opt out, then drives his agent to do what he wants to happen.

When the season began, and when it ended, I couldn't imagine Bosh and Wade turning down the money. ESPECIALLY after the playoffs ended. I was thinking no way in hell do they turn down 42 million over two years. No one is going to give them that.

[Greenie]

i think lebron is just a little mad at management there but he dosen't want to leave. they took less to join up there and after delivering 2 championships management decided to penny pinch. now his attitude is, get some pieces and give me all my money.

yep


I can't lie

It's kinda gansta

[suicidedeuce]

I'm saying that the only way he got them to technically agree to be free agents is by verbally telling the agent for both players (same guy) that he would take care of them somehow. What that assurance is, we don't know. But I suspect it has to meet a high bar because I doubt that his agent would agree to totally expose his clients like this.

Both had bad endings to their playoffs. If Riley said "Just please opt out but I can't promise you what will happen," it would not have happened.

You are right that technically Riley could renounce both of them tomorrow. 12:00 AM tonight. But he has made a promise he won't do that, and he has promised them that they can get their money back (most or all) if nothing else materializes.

So Pat Riley has ALREADY committed multiple CBA violations?

How soon until the NBA investigation begins?

[K_ick_God]

i think lebron is just a little mad at management there but he dosen't want to leave. they took less to join up there and after delivering 2 championships management decided to penny pinch. now his attitude is, get some pieces and give me all my money.

yep


I can't lie

It's kinda gansta

It seems pretty clear that Bron is aggravated at Arison. If they had Mike Miller, it'd helped. But, here's the thing: If Wade plays like that, I don't think Miller helps enough. Bosh was horrible too.

[JBreezeNY]

Lebron is tired of pretending to be in the same ballpark as other players. When Wade and Bosh were Wade and Bosh it made more sense, now he's carrying the load and anyone who wants to play with the best player on the planet will get whatever they get, not his concern.

E-X-actly.

Its funny because its as if wade and bosh deferred complete responsibility to lebron. Its as if you're in a group in school or the real world and getting paid the same while others are slacking and leaning on you. Bosh decided he would play like a little bitch and not resemble himself in toronto at all, wade got injured and is a piece of **** who can only work the midrange game and can't do much else these days. And the rest of the team sucks.

It's not just funny it's amazing.

I haven't seen such ineptitude surrounding a great player in a very long time. The whole entire team outside of Lebron was literally garbage this season.

[god shammgod]

i think lebron is just a little mad at management there but he dosen't want to leave. they took less to join up there and after delivering 2 championships management decided to penny pinch. now his attitude is, get some pieces and give me all my money.

yep


I can't lie

It's kinda gansta

It seems pretty clear that Bron is aggravated at Arison. If they had Mike Miller, it'd helped. But, here's the thing: If Wade plays like that, I don't think Miller helps enough. Bosh was horrible too.

which is why i keep saying signing wade long-term is gonna backfire. he's only gonna get worse. they have no choice though because i think lebron leaves if they don't sign wade. but who knows ? i'm surprised he's doing this.

[NYKNICKPLAYA]

I just can't see Lebron wanting to play with ONLY Bosh, Wade...at this point. Too hard on Lebron...to have to do everything. How much of a discount are they willing to take?

[Greenie]

LeBron 20
Melo 19
Wade 9
Holds 4M
M.Gasol 14M

That no good?

(And none of your lame efforts here change the fact that you were wrong earlier today.)

The day you can cite an NBA being punished for having a gentleman's agreement with a player, let me know.

You said Wade will not play for a lot less with Bron at a Max, and now you have him at 9 lol? You said that like 5 minutes ago. Now you have him at 9, just to win an argument with someone you don't even know. I love it!

You let me know when you get someone with a legal degree or a grain of common sense to agree with you that an audio recording of someone breaking the rules is perfectly fine as long as it's not an unenforceable written contract.

Good day to you professor. My honest advise to you, in the spirit of sports ... You can't win them all, and there's always tomorrow, you'll get 'em next time.

Wow. You don't see the different shades of green?

[K_ick_God]

Wow. You don't see the different shades of green?

Adjusting monitor right now.

[seren]

does anyone know what is starting salary for a max contract? shamsports show a cap hold at 20.2 million dollars. espn reported that his max would start at 22 million and would be 129 million (same as melo).

[Greenie]

i think lebron is just a little mad at management there but he dosen't want to leave. they took less to join up there and after delivering 2 championships management decided to penny pinch. now his attitude is, get some pieces and give me all my money.

yep


I can't lie

It's kinda gansta

It seems pretty clear that Bron is aggravated at Arison. If they had Mike Miller, it'd helped. But, here's the thing: If Wade plays like that, I don't think Miller helps enough. Bosh was horrible too.

For as good as Bron is, he is a punk brat. It is what it is.
He just found a scapegoat as to why they lost in his mind. The owner is cheap.

We all know Miller would not have been the difference.

This is not a hard nosed era people, these players are punk made. I blame prep ball kissing their asses since they could dribble,