Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

[WinCity]

OMG I was just reading the Knciks board Melo thread. I cant believe what those Bulls posters got banned for. The most innocuous comments are labeled trolling.

[WindyCityBorn]

I really hope there's a way of getting Melo without giving up Mirotic, Taj, McDermott,Butler. I've seen Mirotic play a lot over the past 2 years and he is a straight up baller. Bulls fans haven't seen much of him and just look at his stats, and just think he's just some decent European player. If the bulls trade him, fans are going regret it becuase he is extremely talented.

You and I seem to be the only ones that really don't want to trade Mirotic. Every one else is tossing him into trades like an afterthought. I look at Mirotic as the guy to help the Bulls contend for the next 10 years long after Carmelo has passed his prime. Noah and Taj are not young and I doubt the pulls will in position to get another frontcourt prospect like that unless we are in the lottery again. I still fail to see how New York has the leverage to demand a prospect like that just to cooperate in a S&T for a player that rejected them. A couple of future picks should be all they get.

[kulaz3000]

I agree and it is NOT just sports media. It is almost all of the media. They are very sure about what they "know" but a lot of what they "know" isn't even true. Long ago I was considered an expert in a very very limited subject (and was invited to testify to Congress, participated in a DOD roundtable, talked with the CIA, DIA, etc.) and KNEW a subject in and out and the media was always reporting it wrong. I called the AP and other outlets and talked directly to the reporters. They refused to change their story and were very hard headed about letting anything other than superficial information on the topic enter their brain. They aren't all they are cracked up to be.

News reporting is an entirely different animal though, with different outlets having specific agendas. And news these days are constructed and programmed with mostly ratings, views and sales in mind, more so than providing the audience with actual and factual news.

But lets get back to the topic at hand. Stupid NBA writers.

[WindyCityBorn]

I really hope there's a way of getting Melo without giving up Mirotic, Taj, McDermott,Butler. I've seen Mirotic play a lot over the past 2 years and he is a straight up baller. Bulls fans haven't seen much of him and just look at his stats, and just think he's just some decent European player. If the bulls trade him, fans are going regret it becuase he is extremely talented.

Chicago has been building up to this point for the last 10 years. Getting assets, making trades to get to a point where they are one player away from title contention. So if we lose Mirotic its all part of the process. Just look at him like we are losing the 23rd draft pick in the 2011 draft.

At some point in time you got to ask yourself what is the main goal. And the goal is to win a championship. Even if we only have a 3-4 year window with melo you still do it. Hopefully you play it savvier then miami and keep developing young talent.

I mean if you told me we would win one title and then for some reason we would sorta suck for 3 years id still do it.

It would be much easier to win that much desired title if we have Mirotic on the team ... Being on the court with Rose, Butler, Melo and Noah, he would be an absolutely devastating 3rd scoring option ...

Mirotic would more than likely be the Bulls 6th man if he is on the roster this Fall. I'm not seeing any scoring off the bench(maybe McDermott) with this team and the starting lineup already has 3 non-scorers in Noah, Taj and Jimmy. Adding Melo does not solve all of our offensive problems and that is assuming Rose is back to playing at an elite level.

[ikeziskash]

Regarding Melo, I wanted to mention that a good friend of mine is a huge Nuggets fan. He lived in Denver during college and has NBATV to record and watch all their games. He said that when they had Melo, Melo was always able to score on Lebron when he wanted to (and Artest) and had some huge games against him. He also said that there were times his defense would be outstanding at the potential is there.

I don't say this to get anyone too excited but if he becomes a Bulls the thought of an iso player at the end of a game being able to score on Lebron is...awesome.

[SSSFreak]

I agree and it is NOT just sports media. It is almost all of the media. They are very sure about what they "know" but a lot of what they "know" isn't even true. Long ago I was considered an expert in a very very limited subject (and was invited to testify to Congress, participated in a DOD roundtable, talked with the CIA, DIA, etc.) and KNEW a subject in and out and the media was always reporting it wrong. I called the AP and other outlets and talked directly to the reporters. They refused to change their story and were very hard headed about letting anything other than superficial information on the topic enter their brain. They aren't all they are cracked up to be.

News reporting is an entirely different animal though, with different outlets having specific agendas. And news these days are constructed and programmed with mostly ratings, views and sales in mind, more so than providing the audience with actual and factual news.

But lets get back to the topic at hand. Stupid NBA writers.

Part of the reason they do this is they have 2 separate stories they can run. If they told how it really is straight up they would have nothing to run later. By saying the Bulls only have 15m to spare now, later when/if the Bulls do their thing to create far more space, its another "big amazing story" they can run.

[ikeziskash]

I agree and it is NOT just sports media. It is almost all of the media. They are very sure about what they "know" but a lot of what they "know" isn't even true. Long ago I was considered an expert in a very very limited subject (and was invited to testify to Congress, participated in a DOD roundtable, talked with the CIA, DIA, etc.) and KNEW a subject in and out and the media was always reporting it wrong. I called the AP and other outlets and talked directly to the reporters. They refused to change their story and were very hard headed about letting anything other than superficial information on the topic enter their brain. They aren't all they are cracked up to be.

News reporting is an entirely different animal though, with different outlets having specific agendas. And news these days are constructed and programmed with mostly ratings, views and sales in mind, more so than providing the audience with actual and factual news.

But lets get back to the topic at hand. Stupid NBA writers.

Right on.

[jc23]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140701/sports/140709746/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The Bulls can make up most of the monetary imbalance by negotiating a sign-and-trade with Jackson, who was hired a few weeks ago. It's possible Jackson just says no to any sign-and-trade, but there actually a couple of scenarios that might make sense for the Knicks.

The Bulls could send an asset or two to New York, then combine the traded players and cap room created by using the amnesty clause on Carlos Boozer.

A second option is to trade Boozer to the Knicks with some other pieces and take back J.R. Smith and Pablo Prigioni along with Anthony. Such a trade would give New York more than $50 million in cap room for 2015 because Smith and Prigioni are signed for two more seasons.

Is McGraw the only media person who has finally begun mentioning this option? I know nationally, all I hear are il-informed things we blew past weeks ago as a group

dudes like Tom Penn dont even bring this stuff up. Deeks is the first guy i think brought up the amnesty + unguaranteed contracts S&T combo option.

[ikeziskash]

I agree and it is NOT just sports media. It is almost all of the media. They are very sure about what they "know" but a lot of what they "know" isn't even true. Long ago I was considered an expert in a very very limited subject (and was invited to testify to Congress, participated in a DOD roundtable, talked with the CIA, DIA, etc.) and KNEW a subject in and out and the media was always reporting it wrong. I called the AP and other outlets and talked directly to the reporters. They refused to change their story and were very hard headed about letting anything other than superficial information on the topic enter their brain. They aren't all they are cracked up to be.

News reporting is an entirely different animal though, with different outlets having specific agendas. And news these days are constructed and programmed with mostly ratings, views and sales in mind, more so than providing the audience with actual and factual news.

But lets get back to the topic at hand. Stupid NBA writers.

Part of the reason they do this is they have 2 separate stories they can run. If they told how it really is straight up they would have nothing to run later. By saying the Bulls only have 15m to spare now, later when/if the Bulls do their thing to create far more space, its another "big amazing story" they can run.

They are really not that smart. Don't give them so much credit.

[SSSFreak]

News reporting is an entirely different animal though, with different outlets having specific agendas. And news these days are constructed and programmed with mostly ratings, views and sales in mind, more so than providing the audience with actual and factual news.

But lets get back to the topic at hand. Stupid NBA writers.

Part of the reason they do this is they have 2 separate stories they can run. If they told how it really is straight up they would have nothing to run later. By saying the Bulls only have 15m to spare now, later when/if the Bulls do their thing to create far more space, its another "big amazing story" they can run.

They are really not that smart. Don't give them so much credit.

They're reporters. Its in their blood to fabricate stories.

[ikeziskash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QbZX8961Qs

[WindyCityBorn]

Regarding Melo, I wanted to mention that a good friend of mine is a huge Nuggets fan. He lived in Denver during college and has NBATV to record and watch all their games. He said that when they had Melo, Melo was always able to score on Lebron when he wanted to (and Artest) and had some huge games against him. He also said that there were times his defense would be outstanding at the potential is there.

I don't say this to get anyone too excited but if he becomes a Bulls the thought of an iso player at the end of a game being able to score on Lebron is...awesome.

That is one of the main reasons people are excited. Lebron cannot lock Carmelo down and that has always been true. Rose would never have to worry about Lebron switching to him at the end of games.

[ikeziskash]

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls ... f-anthony/

I think I agree with this bit about Rose coming to help and doing this workout but not just for why Doug says. I think this whole thing with Melo brought the coach and FO closer together, the players together and if they do not get Melo they are going to be determined to prove a lot of people wrong and work as a team (not just the players) to make some hay.

[johnnyvann840]

Aggrey Sam really pissing on the campfire this morning. Sounds really pessimistic.

What did he say? He might just be exhausted from all this as he mentioned in a recent podcast.

Basically that Bulls fans shouldn't get too excited and that he will likely go back to the Knicks.

[WinCity]

I really hope there's a way of getting Melo without giving up Mirotic, Taj, McDermott,Butler. I've seen Mirotic play a lot over the past 2 years and he is a straight up baller. Bulls fans haven't seen much of him and just look at his stats, and just think he's just some decent European player. If the bulls trade him, fans are going regret it becuase he is extremely talented.

You and I seem to be the only ones that really don't want to trade Mirotic. Every one else is tossing him into trades like an afterthought. I look at Mirotic as the guy to help the Bulls contend for the next 10 years long after Carmelo has passed his prime. Noah and Taj are not young and I doubt the pulls will in position to get another frontcourt prospect like that unless we are in the lottery again. I still fail to see how New York has the leverage to demand a prospect like that just to cooperate in a S&T for a player that rejected them. A couple of future picks should be all they get.

I definitely want to keep Mirotic as well. I am very optimistic on him. That being said I understand the reasoning for Taj i.e. he is clearly going to make us better in year one than Mirotic.

Taj is the better fit defensively

Mirotic the better fit offensively

So thats the conundrum. Thing is I think the FO has committed to Thibs that no matter what this season he gets his wet dream frontcourt of Taj/Noah. With those 2 protecting the paint, grabbing boards, and Thibs coaching the D we might have the # 1 rated D this season.


Long term though I do think Mirotic has a higher ceiling than Taj.

[MoneyMitch]

I have a lot of respect for your fan base, you guys are entertaining to say the least

[WinCity]

Regarding Melo, I wanted to mention that a good friend of mine is a huge Nuggets fan. He lived in Denver during college and has NBATV to record and watch all their games. He said that when they had Melo, Melo was always able to score on Lebron when he wanted to (and Artest) and had some huge games against him. He also said that there were times his defense would be outstanding at the potential is there.

I don't say this to get anyone too excited but if he becomes a Bulls the thought of an iso player at the end of a game being able to score on Lebron is...awesome.

I am really excited to see how this will impact Rose. He has not played with another guy who can create his own shot and get 20+ ppg on his own since BG was here. At that time he seemed to be able to pace himself better, take some plays off on offense (something he could never do the last few years) and defer. I know Rose wants to prove himself but I do think it will be very good for his long term health and career to be able to scale back his effort level on offense. I could see Melo putting up 25ppg for us and Rose putting up 18-20ppg with 6-7 assts.

[ikeziskash]

I have a lot of respect for your fan base, you guys are entertaining to say the least

Uncalled for. This guy is totally cool and welcome. I have no idea why you would say what you said. ~fleet

[bullslas]

OMG I was just reading the Knciks board Melo thread. I cant believe what those Bulls posters got banned for. The most innocuous comments are labeled trolling.

Ya and they had a nyk moderator here doing worse.

[fleet]

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