Lin feeling disrespected?

[MaxRider]

MaxRider, I don't think that is correct. Those players were drafted before Asik was traded however at the time the picture was taken (a couple of days ago), I'm pretty sure that Asik was already gone.

officially asik is still on the team
he isn't traded until all the paperwork is done which is july 15th

Yes but that's really hinging on technicalities. Everyone knew that the trade was imminent at the time of that picture. Not the same situation here.

you're telling me houston can sign melo wtihout trading lin to clear cap space?
everyone know if lebron/melo committed to join the team they will trade lin away
this is no mystery

[Bill Bradley]

Classy, as a moderator on the Rockets forum.

Rockets fan...not Jeremy Lin fan (worshiper)

I say he is overpaid (which he is) and that he is a bad fit (which he is) and you try to insult me lol. Now that is classy.

You make his point by throwing out hyperbolic statements ("worshiper") and acting childish.

[MaxRider]

This is what I hate about pro sports. Teams can treat players like absolute trash, yet if roles were reversed and Lin was under contract, visiting teams wearing another teams jersey and trying to force a trade there, the media and fans would explode.


'Maybe not as much anymore because Lin isn't a star but if a top player did that, you know how it would turn out.

They didn't when Kevin Love went to Boston.

Kevin love visited with celtics management? News to me.

Kevin Love walked around in a celtics jersey?

adding on top of that Love is not a free agent
he just visit Boston

[The Rebel]

officially asik is still on the team
he isn't traded until all the paperwork is done which is july 15th

Yes but that's really hinging on technicalities. Everyone knew that the trade was imminent at the time of that picture. Not the same situation here.

you're telling me houston can sign melo wtihout trading lin to clear cap space?
everyone know if lebron/melo committed to join the team they will trade lin away
this is no mystery

So where is the deal? Is Lin traded as of right now? has there been any kind of source saying he was already traded? The idea that he might be traded is totally different than everybody knowing he was already traded.

[NothingButLuck]

Classy, as a moderator on the Rockets forum.

Rockets fan...not Jeremy Lin fan (worshiper)

I say he is overpaid (which he is) and that he is a bad fit (which he is) and you try to insult me lol. Now that is classy.

You make his point by throwing out hyperbolic statements ("worshiper") and acting childish.

They are really trying hard to make themselves not the bad guys. It's not working.

[NYCrusader]

Organizations and fans aren't loyal to players which is why I find it fascinating when fans expect players to be loyal to them. And the players the fans expect to be loyal are obviously only the good ones.

[E-Balla]

For real though, anybody think the situation with how Lin is constantly treated is related to passive racism by the team and the media? Is a coincidence that Lin continually finds himself getting the shaft by his teammates, the media and possibly by the coach even though he's a fairly decent NBA player?

As an Asian American guy I have trouble picturing this happening to say.. a European international player. And Lin is really an American too. It sucks that he seems to always be the universe's permanent whipping boy. He seems to be turning that cheek all the damn time.

I agree that this is disrespectful but it has nothing to do with race. Just a classless organization doing what they do.

[EArl]

Now yall can just stfu

this clears it all up...case closed...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/484447119340609536[/tweet]

well there it is.

[13th Man]

officially asik is still on the team
he isn't traded until all the paperwork is done which is july 15th

Yes but that's really hinging on technicalities. Everyone knew that the trade was imminent at the time of that picture. Not the same situation here.

you're telling me houston can sign melo wtihout trading lin to clear cap space?
everyone know if lebron/melo committed to join the team they will trade lin away
this is no mystery

I was pointing out the fact that the picture of Johnson using Asik's number is not the same because Asik was pretty much gone from the team whereas Lin isn't. Having Melo use Lin's number (without consent nonetheless) is disrespectful because it portrays him being replaced already when he's still with the team.

[Bill Bradley]

For real though, anybody think the situation with how Lin is constantly treated is related to passive racism by the team and the media? Is a coincidence that Lin continually finds himself getting the shaft by his teammates, the media and possibly by the coach even though he's a fairly decent NBA player?

As an Asian American guy I have trouble picturing this happening to say.. a European international player. And Lin is really an American too. It sucks that he seems to always be the universe's permanent whipping boy. He seems to be turning that cheek all the damn time.

I agree that this is disrespectful but it has nothing to do with race. Just a classless organization doing what they do.

It's both.

[E-Balla]

For real though, anybody think the situation with how Lin is constantly treated is related to passive racism by the team and the media? Is a coincidence that Lin continually finds himself getting the shaft by his teammates, the media and possibly by the coach even though he's a fairly decent NBA player?

As an Asian American guy I have trouble picturing this happening to say.. a European international player. And Lin is really an American too. It sucks that he seems to always be the universe's permanent whipping boy. He seems to be turning that cheek all the damn time.

I agree that this is disrespectful but it has nothing to do with race. Just a classless organization doing what they do.

It's both.

So when they did the same thing to Beverley was it because they thought he was asian? This isn't the first time they've done this you know...

[Bill Bradley]

I agree that this is disrespectful but it has nothing to do with race. Just a classless organization doing what they do.

It's both.

So when they did the same thing to Beverley was it because they thought he was asian? This isn't the first time they've done this you know...

That was a different situation that was apparently handled differently by the Rockets. Regardless of the number issue, which is not really a huge deal, this is more about a pattern of mistreatment and marginalization of Lin since he joined the Rockets. This jersey issue is just another small indicator of that.

And if Beverly were Asian and Lin were African American, Lin would be starting and would get more respect from his teammates and fans, and trust from the coaching staff. Watching what transpired in Houston this year there is no other logical explanation aside from racism.

[Tacoma]

Yes but that's really hinging on technicalities. Everyone knew that the trade was imminent at the time of that picture. Not the same situation here.

you're telling me houston can sign melo wtihout trading lin to clear cap space?
everyone know if lebron/melo committed to join the team they will trade lin away
this is no mystery

I was pointing out the fact that the picture of Johnson using Asik's number is not the same because Asik was pretty much gone from the team whereas Lin isn't. Having Melo use Lin's number (without consent nonetheless) is disrespectful because it portrays him being replaced already when he's still with the team.

It's pretty clear that the situations of Asik and Bev aren't the same as Lin, but lets say for the sake of argument it was the same. How does that change things?

You can't excuse a wrong by saying you wronged before and gotten away with it.

[The Rebel]

you're telling me houston can sign melo wtihout trading lin to clear cap space?
everyone know if lebron/melo committed to join the team they will trade lin away
this is no mystery

I was pointing out the fact that the picture of Johnson using Asik's number is not the same because Asik was pretty much gone from the team whereas Lin isn't. Having Melo use Lin's number (without consent nonetheless) is disrespectful because it portrays him being replaced already when he's still with the team.

It's pretty clear that the situations of Asik and Bev aren't the same as Lin, but lets say for the sake of argument it was the same. How does that change things?

You can't excuse a wrong by saying you wronged before and gotten away with it.

If it was the same thing than I would say the same thing that they are saying, as I already said I am not even a Lin fan though.

[13th Man]

I agree that this is disrespectful but it has nothing to do with race. Just a classless organization doing what they do.

It's both.

So when they did the same thing to Beverley was it because they thought he was asian? This isn't the first time they've done this you know...

As mentioned repeatedly over the last few pages, not the same scenario.

Anyhow, I'm done with this thread. Morey has indicated that this is how the Rockets do business which is classless in most people's eyes but fine for the Rockets, so whatever suits their fancy. The only thing that die-hard Rockets fans and Lin fans will agree on is that they will both be better off apart. Can't wait for that to happen.

[NothingButLuck]

I agree that this is disrespectful but it has nothing to do with race. Just a classless organization doing what they do.

It's both.

So when they did the same thing to Beverley was it because they thought he was asian? This isn't the first time they've done this you know...

The number was partially hidden that you can't really tell if it's really Bev's number. Not to mention they aren't trading the guy (and he already know he is the starting PG on the team) and he would gladly give up his number for Dwight to come to town. I think it's safe to say they are on good term, am I right? While I would like to think Les' isn't a dumb person (because some of his businesses have tie to China), I don't think it's unfair if some other people feel the way they do with how the organization handled Jeremy Lin.

[Steven1562]

Lin has been disrespected his whole career dude went undrafted .... hope he finds a team that will accept him

He already found that in the Knicks aka the team that made him and gave him a chance.

Yeah and they dropped him too ... just saying Lin has bounced around a lot and went undrafted when he should have been at least a 2nd round pick

[13th Man]

Lin has been disrespected his whole career dude went undrafted .... hope he finds a team that will accept him

He already found that in the Knicks aka the team that made him and gave him a chance.

Yeah and they dropped him too ... just saying Lin has bounced around a lot and went undrafted when he should have been at least a 2nd round pick

Wouldn't mind seeing him back with the Knicks or Raptors.

[baki]

I've told people I know that this is the hardest Rockets organization or "Rockets culture" for me to root for in the 30 years or so I've been a fan. Someone the other day told me I was being "spoiled" when talking about Morey, because of what Morey has done (in a positive sense).

This (the topic of this thread) is the type of thing that has me down on the organization. And this is not an outlier, IMO.

It's sad. Things don't have to be done this way. But they are done this way. And that is why people become alienated, IMO.

Me too. It seems that the fans from 15-30 years ago are completely different from the one today, I think they were a lot more modest and humble than they are now. The crazy amount of disrespect from the Houston organisation and fans was enough for me to leave a forum so bias you think it was some kind of cult. Race is part of it, but why when corporate sponsors from Asia are supporting Houston? I didn't see that kind of hatred when he was at GSW or at NYK.

Sad to see this kind of disrespect towards someone who became the first Asian-American to play in the NBA and coming from the end of the bench who was a game away from retiring to becoming a full time starter. Lin is a great player and all round nice guy, never seen the guy try to diss off anyone or try to disrespect anyone.

Luckily there are other higher quality and professional teams (and fans) in the NBA that Lin can go to, that's why we can still love this game.

[E-Balla]

It's both.

So when they did the same thing to Beverley was it because they thought he was asian? This isn't the first time they've done this you know...

That was a different situation that was apparently handled differently by the Rockets. Regardless of the number issue, which is not really a huge deal, this is more about a pattern of mistreatment and marginalization of Lin since he joined the Rockets. This jersey issue is just another small indicator of that.

And if Beverly were Asian and Lin were African American, Lin would be starting and would get more respect from his teammates and fans, and trust from the coaching staff. Watching what transpired in Houston this year there is no other logical explanation aside from racism.

Maybe it's because Bev is the better player?

Lin's on/off in Houston: -2.0 (they're better when he's not on the floor)
Bev's on/off in Houston: +6.4 (they're way better with him on the floor)

When Lin started they were 21-12 (52 wins over 82 games), When Bev started they were 38-17 (57 wins over 82 games). By all measures the starting unit plays better with Beverley out there (you know the off ball shooter/defender). He's a role player and Lin is a 6th man type with the 7th man game.

Anyone arguing that Lin is getting shafted because he's asian is crazy. I'll admit he had a harder path to the league because he was asian but the only reason anyone cares about this guy is his race.