Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[Baddy Chuck]

I dont understand how you guys think Bledsoe is the PG savior and Knight has no Chance at PG. knight is the bigger PG and has put up equal if not better numbers both on last year and career as a whole. ill take the guy thats 2years younger with just as good numbers and i think hes a better shooter. ppl are Willing to pay bledsoe 12-15 mil per year and ive read people cringe about knight on a teague like deal. I personally think knight is the better prospect, and i think his game will blossom under Kidd, just my humble opinion though.

I like Knight, he's a great guy, I'm more then willing to give him a chance to play under Kidd but his lack of Court Vision and PG instincts is what is holding him back. I don't know if it's due to his tunnel vision but he just doesn't see the floor well and can't run the Pick and Roll.

He also couldn't manage the tempo of the game even if Jason Kidd A Clockwork Orange'd him in a room under the BC for the entirety of training camp.

[FlagsFlyForever]

This is what I was worried about, Bledsoe aside. Lin and Vasquez are Herb Kohl-esque win now moves. Kidd wants to win now.

Giving a max contract to Bledsoe is a win-now move. makes our team immediately better (thus hurting our 2015 draft pick). Getting Lin is a non-difference maker (as many have said here) other than it fills a position of need. More importantly with Lin is that it will net you assets for the future, likely including a future 1st rounder.

[Bernman]

I'm not even entirely comfortable with conceding Henson AND Knight to the Suns for the "privilege" of maxing out Bledsoe. We could use those assets to acquire other potential core players going forward, and with the risk we'd be taking on Bledsoe, and an indication Phoenix may not be intent on matching Bledsoe for one reason or another, I'd call their bluff at anything beyond Henson and Knight. If they demanded both, I could go either way as far as letting them have it, or pursuing the Lin + 2 young asset option instead. It's not like Bledsoe puts us over the top as far as winning a championship within the next couple of years, or there aren't alternatives for what we're trying to achieve out there.

[crkone]

I'd rather we not go for Vasquez. Wolters or Knight can bring the ball up the court and hand it off to Parker or Giannis (if they don't bring the ball up themselves). I want them to have the ball as often as possible and create for themselves and others even if they suck at it next season.

Now getting Lin is okay as I would assume it would be as part of a salary dump where we get a good future asset. Bledsoe I'm torn on as I don't know how much room he has left to expand his game. But at least he is producing right now, and is still under 25.

[WeekapaugGroove]

That's nonsense. Ish Smith was getting a lot of minutes even with healthy Bledsoe and Dragic. The Suns needed upgrade at backup PG as much as anywhere else in the rotation. And what big men were available in the draft at #18? Stokes and McGary? Puh-lease.

Payne and Nurkic were available at 14, they could have packaged 18 with 14 to move up to get a big more of their liking, and you don't draft a #2 or 3 on the depth chart (Dragic is naturally a point) with #18 in a good draft. So puh-lease right back at you sir.

hornicek likes to play 2 point guards at the same time so they have two guys who can start the break. That's why they need extra depth there. And it's not like they are looking for heavy minutes out of a 19 yr old ennis.

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[El Duderino]

I dont understand how you guys think Bledsoe is the PG savior and Knight has no Chance at PG. knight is the bigger PG and has put up equal if not better numbers both on last year and career as a whole. ill take the guy thats 2years younger with just as good numbers and i think hes a better shooter. ppl are Willing to pay bledsoe 12-15 mil per year and ive read people cringe about knight on a teague like deal. I personally think knight is the better prospect, and i think his game will blossom under Kidd, just my humble opinion though.

I like Knight, he's a great guy, I'm more then willing to give him a chance to play under Kidd but his lack of Court Vision and PG instincts is what is holding him back. I don't know if it's due to his tunnel vision but he just doesn't see the floor well and can't run the Pick and Roll.

Good court vision and PG instincts aren't often learned through time, it's usually something a player either has or he doesn't. Knight doesn't have these things and even a great PG like Kidd very likely won't be able to teach these things to Brandon.

Given the interest in acquiring a PG, it's pretty clear that the Bucks also feel that Knight is a lost cause as a starting PG in the NBA.

[Chuck Diesel]

You have to factor in how much the usage of guys like Lin and Vasquez goes up in Milwaukee. The ball would be in their hands and they'd be taking a lot more shots (particularly Lin) compared to their prior roles. Rather run everything through our young pups, save the money and end up with a higher pick.

[cinematographer]

Maxing Bledsoe is a gamble. The downside is mitigated by the ballooning salary cap approaching -- raises are based off percents of his first year number, not what the salary cap is in ensuing seasons -- and there are worse ways to spend $14m than on a defensive wrecking ball -- like, say, $8m to OJ's Mayo, $5m to Zaza and $.01 to Del3zy.

If we get Bledsoe, we should be looking to cash in a future first or two quickly. Those assets will be depreciating in a hurry.

[Bernman]

These guys are good but still low impact players. The suns are full of them. Why would they want them

Sanders and Henson would be upgrades to their poor frontcourt, and Knight is more of a shooting guard who could complement Dragic and Ennis. That's why they could want them. If they don't, screw it, they can have Bledsoe. He's not a more valuable asset to us than Parker and Giannis, surely, and it's not like maxing him out doesn't come with significant risk.

[Chuck Diesel]

In a comprable situation, Vasquez was taking 13 shots a game on a 27 win Hornets team that had a rookie Anthony Davis. Makes much more sense as a first guard off the bench for a playoff team. No thank you.

[Profound23]

No to Vazquez

Sure to Lin IF we get a future first and unload Mayo or Erson

Yes to Bledsoe

[paulpressey25]

Maxing Bledsoe is a gamble. The downside is mitigated by the ballooning salary cap approaching --

With four year contracts, these gambles aren't quite as horrific as they were a few years ago when you got stuck for 6 or 7 years with a guy.

From the Suns standpoint, they've got to decide if they want to pay two guards the max over the next few years. Add in a chance Kidd gets Bledsoe to sour on PHX, putting the Suns in a position to trade him for 80 cents on the dollar. And frankly Knight AND Henson would be a haul for them.

[Serge28]

Here's the list of players who's averaged 9.0+ assists for a season over the past decade (year is listed first then # of games played in parentheses):

Rondo - 13 (38), 12 (53), 11 (68), 10 (81),
Paul - 14 (62), 13(70), 12(60), 11 (80), 10 (45), 09 (78), 08 (80),
Vasquez - 13 (78),
Williams - 11 (65), 10 (76), 09 (68), 08 (82), 07 (80),
Nash - 11 (75), 10 (81), 09 (74), 08 (81), 07 (76), 06 (79), 05 (75)
Kidd - 10 (80), 08 (80), 07 (80)

Just saying

[Baddy Chuck]

In a comprable situation, Vasquez was taking 13 shots a game on a 27 win Hornets team that had a rookie Anthony Davis. Makes much more sense as a first guard off the bench for a playoff team. No thank you.

I mean he also dished out 9 assists a game.

[cinematographer]

Maxing Bledsoe is a gamble. The downside is mitigated by the ballooning salary cap approaching --

With four year contracts, these gambles aren't quite as horrific as they were a few years ago when you got stuck for 6 or 7 years with a guy.

From the Suns standpoint, they've got to decide if they want to pay two guards the max over the next few years. Add in a chance Kidd gets Bledsoe to sour on PHX, putting the Suns in a position to trade him for 80 cents on the dollar. And frankly Knight AND Henson would be a haul for them.

I also worry because this move keeps the ball out of Giannis' hands. And that there'd be a non-zero probability the only outside shooter in Bledsoe/x/Giannis/Parker/Sanders is x.

[ampd]

Maxing Bledsoe is a gamble. The downside is mitigated by the ballooning salary cap approaching -- raises are based off percents of his first year number, not what the salary cap is in ensuing seasons -- and there are worse ways to spend $14m than on a defensive wrecking ball -- like, say, $8m to OJ's Mayo, $5m to Zaza and $.01 to Del3zy.

If we get Bledsoe, we should be looking to cash in a future first or two quickly. Those assets will be depreciating in a hurry.

Exactly. This is one of many reasons last year's off season was horrific. As was already noted the defensive potential of our team would be incredible with bledsoe.

Also if we are win now with our 3 best players being 19 19 and 24 along with 25 year old Larry I don't see any reason to be down about that considering the ceiling that team would have

[WeekapaugGroove]

Do you think Henson could play the 4 in that system? I don't. He's not an upgrade over makeef Morris who was pretty good last year. As a c I'm not sure he's an upgrade over plumlee who wore down a little late last year but was effective. They are still high on len too who could be a much different looking player now that he's finally healthy.

As I said earlier the best shot is to find a 3rd team that has an asset phoenix wants.

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[Chuck Diesel]

In a comprable situation, Vasquez was taking 13 shots a game on a 27 win Hornets team that had a rookie Anthony Davis. Makes much more sense as a first guard off the bench for a playoff team. No thank you.

I mean he also dished out 9 assists a game.

Sure, with 3.2 turnovers. My point was that he becomes a ball dominant guy on a bad team and we don't need that right now. Like I said, he's a useful player in the right situation.

[paulpressey25]

I also worry because this move keeps the ball out of Giannis' hands. And that there'd be a non-zero probability the only outside shooter in Bledsoe/x/Giannis/Parker/Sanders is x.

We can go find X then. For me is it all about who gets the best player. Bledsoe is easily the best player of that grouping. If he stays healthy, we've got an interesting core now. If he gets injured, then tank.

By way of note, the Eric Gordon contract hasn't really impacted the Pelicans at all, and that only has two years left. Plus we'd have to pay Brandon Knight something here real soon and I don't want to do that.

[bucksfansince88]

I dont understand how you guys think Bledsoe is the PG savior and Knight has no Chance at PG. knight is the bigger PG and has put up equal if not better numbers both on last year and career as a whole. ill take the guy thats 2years younger with just as good numbers and i think hes a better shooter. ppl are Willing to pay bledsoe 12-15 mil per year and ive read people cringe about knight on a teague like deal. I personally think knight is the better prospect, and i think his game will blossom under Kidd, just my humble opinion though.

Look at my post on the first page. Bledsoe has an in-reach ceiling for his penetration game and he's a destroyer of offenses. Right now he's contributing far more to wins than Knight and if his offensive game becomes more surgical, he's a top 25 player.

A max offer would be a bet that Kidd makes Bledsoe's offensive impact catch up with his physical tools. It's risky, but at least we'd be getting an elite skill from it, regardless of how much polish his offensive game ultimately gets.

I just see them as two very comparably skilled players and when youre talking investing 12-15mil plus assets, i rather take my chancs on Knight improving hes 2 years younger and i believe he can and will make strides in a better offensive system. I like bledsoe i just dont see him as a huge improvement over our guards, hes just more explosive.