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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues 

Post#881 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:59 am

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toucansma wrote:Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 1m
Suns & RFA Eric Bledsoe's agent Rich Paul in early stages of contract talks, a source said.Other suitors in limbo until LeBron & Melo decide

Great news, I think we will see a fair contract here.


If he signs for less than the max, would we be able to sign LeBron and Bosh to max contracts without losing anyone on our current roster?


No, regardless of what he signs for we would have to shed at least 3 of Len, Morris, Morris and Green to sign two of those max guys, which is the reason many people would rather just keep our depth and only get LeBron. And like I mentioned before, maybe sign someone else that is cheaper with the other cap space (we'd have around $10 million left and could sign someone else....partially so we don't lose the cap space but also could be another asset to throw in a mid season Love deal or make us feel more comfortable losing some depth in such a trade).
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues 

Post#882 » by sunsbum » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:01 am

Why would durrant leave for LA? He wont. Doesn't seem like a paid mercenary like LBJ. He's got a great young squad around him that just needs to get over the hump and it wont take much. The Lakers are in lala land if thats who they are targeting.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues 

Post#883 » by Blackification » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:02 am

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Cutter wrote:Listening to Saturday afternoon sports talk radio and the speculation is that Luol Deng is going to be the free agent that gets LeBron to stay in Miami. Riley is going hard after him, but Deng is sticking firm so far that he isn't going to take a paycut to play in Miami. Stand firm Luol!


I don't see how Deng makes that team any better at all. Maybe better defensively, but the Heat became dangerous when they stretched the floor, and often times played better without Wade because he didn't have the ability to do that. Neither does Deng.

They would still be forced to play small ball with bron at the PF and their bench would still suck
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues 

Post#884 » by Cutter » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:06 am

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Cutter wrote:Listening to Saturday afternoon sports talk radio and the speculation is that Luol Deng is going to be the free agent that gets LeBron to stay in Miami. Riley is going hard after him, but Deng is sticking firm so far that he isn't going to take a paycut to play in Miami. Stand firm Luol!

Would it even matter if Bosh doesn't take a paycut?
If Bosh doesn't take a good sized pay cut I'm not sure Miami has much room left for any free agents at all. A couple of days ago the report was that Wade taking $12 and Bosh taking $11 would leave Riley $12 million to bring in free agents. If Bosh instead gets $17-18 then Riley has $6 million or so to work with. Deng is worth more than $6 so I can't see this working.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues 

Post#885 » by DirtyDez » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:09 am

SSOL wrote:Hmm, I wonder if that means we're out.

Also, where does that info. come from? The Suns are air tight as is Bledsoe's/Lebron's agent.


Reading too much into the tweet. All it does is state the obvious about the Suns discussing numbers with Paul. Until the Suns move on or Bledsoe signs an offer-sheet the Suns are still in the Lebron sweepstakes.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues 

Post#886 » by thamadkant » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:11 am

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Suns & RFA Eric Bledsoe's agent Rich Paul in early stages of contract talks, a source said.Other suitors in limbo until LeBron & Melo decide

Great news, I think we will see a fair contract here.


If he signs for less than the max, would we be able to sign LeBron and Bosh to max contracts without losing anyone on our current roster?


Signing Bledsoe to a max doesn't impact free agent signing because suns can go over the cap with Bledsoe.
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Post#887 » by letsgosuns » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:14 am

At this point I do not think there is anything that Miami can do that would make them contenders again simply because of the huge drop off of Dwayne Wade. He looks nothing like the player he was a few years ago. Unless he has some sort of miraculous turn around, I think he will continue to get worse. There are some people that think he would not even get more than 12 million a year on the open market because of his injury concerns. If the Heat think Luol Deng is the player that is going to make them champions again, I heavily disagree. They were annihilated by the Spurs and it is going to take a lot more than a role playing small forward to get them to the top again.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues 

Post#888 » by Frank Lee » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:14 am

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The Phoenix Suns remain an intriguing dark horse for James because general manager Ryan McDonough could offer him something no one else outside Miami can now: a second max-salary slot to pick a co-star. The Suns can quickly shed $10 million more in contracts to pursue James and a second star – perhaps Bosh, if James wanted – and they’d still be able to keep the talented core of Eric Bledsoe, Goran Dragic and center Miles Plumlee.

James’ agent Rich Paul represents Bledsoe and understands James’ commitment to the Suns would almost guarantee he could get Bledsoe a max-contract extension with the Suns.

via Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports



This is huge. Lebron agent gets paid bigtime if this happens. Two max deals for him!? If everything is equal or favors the Suns' why wouldn't you as an agent steer James to PHX? Do you know how much James signing would put in the pocket of Sarver and the city of Phoenix?

Hell yea he'd give Bledsoe max without thinking and another player for at least 3 years. Hey, you only live once and you cant take it with you!!


I really like Gasol in Phoenix though. 3 year 30 million, Even though he is older our team would be better than that Laker team that two-peated, because of everyone else.

By signing Gasol instead of another max guy, we could keep our entire team intact from last year.


although Gasol is the acquisition II think work best with James here, I am against the contractual leverage used to get Bledsoe a max deal. May be this is a snag in the dealings, but I would wager our FO is countering with market value deal (similar to Lowery's) for Bledsoe on the table. You sign James, Gasol, and Bled, then have enough for Dragic the following season and this is a contender for the next 3-4 yrs.

Inmate/asylum argument insert here

Cleveland still makes got a much better story and an equal if not better chance to cruise through the East and get to the finals...

As for the Bledsoe max offer from Milw, if James is out of the picture, could we work a sign and trade 3 teamer and may be snag Love? I think Bwgood outlined one on milws board. Or perhaps glean a future first along with Illysova,,, Or ? Or? I don't think we need to get into the practice if overpaying anyone, and really think Bled's minutes could be absorbed by Goodwin, Ennis, Ish or perhaps another PG FA . We are talking about 15 back up pg a night, and 10 along side Dragic. Is Archie up for the task? Right now our SG/wing spot is loaded .... Green, probably Tucker, Goodwin, CusMo, Warren.

We march forward with a young hungry squad, sans Bledsoe , a few low key additions and loads of cap space for trades and signings. Bled's a tough loss. So I'd definitely want a lightly protected 1st.

Also, to conclude my 'here comes Randall, he's a beserker' wrangle, with the Houston/Milw Lin talk, perhaps we take Illysova off their hands. He's still my favorite Frye replacement. We get nudged out of the James-games, McDo can certainly utilize cap space to get assets
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues 

Post#889 » by DirtyDez » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:16 am

1UPZ wrote:Signing Bledsoe to a max doesn't impact free agent signing because suns can go over the cap with Bledsoe.


Only after the FA's are signed. If the Suns sign Bledsoe to a contract right now it clearly impacts other signings.
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Post#890 » by Puff » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:20 am

sunsbum wrote:Why would durrant leave for LA? He wont. Doesn't seem like a paid mercenary like LBJ. He's got a great young squad around him that just needs to get over the hump and it wont take much. The Lakers are in lala land if thats who they are targeting.


What I don't understand is why Gasol does not just latch on with the Thunder. It would seem that he would make them extremely dangerous.

I think it is all about the money, as usual.

If I were OKC I would keep Durrant and Westbrook for the duration and I expect they will.
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Post#891 » by JMac1 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:29 am

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This is huge. Lebron agent gets paid bigtime if this happens. Two max deals for him!? If everything is equal or favors the Suns' why wouldn't you as an agent steer James to PHX? Do you know how much James signing would put in the pocket of Sarver and the city of Phoenix?

Hell yea he'd give Bledsoe max without thinking and another player for at least 3 years. Hey, you only live once and you cant take it with you!!


I really like Gasol in Phoenix though. 3 year 30 million, Even though he is older our team would be better than that Laker team that two-peated, because of everyone else.

By signing Gasol instead of another max guy, we could keep our entire team intact from last year.


although Gasol is the acquisition II think work best with James here, I am against the contractual leverage used to get Bledsoe a max deal. May be this is a snag in the dealings, but I would wager our FO is countering with market value deal (similar to Lowery's) for Bledsoe on the table. You sign James, Gasol, and Bled, then have enough for Dragic the following season and this is a contender for the next 3-4 yrs.

Inmate/asylum argument insert here

Cleveland still makes got a much better story and an equal if not better chance to cruise through the East and get to the finals...

As for the Bledsoe max offer from Milw, if James is out of the picture, could we work a sign and trade 3 teamer and may be snag Love? I think Bwgood outlined one on milws board. Or perhaps glean a future first along with Illysova,,, Or ? Or? I don't think we need to get into the practice if overpaying anyone, and really think Bled's minutes could be absorbed by Goodwin, Ennis, Ish or perhaps another PG FA . We are talking about 15 back up pg a night, and 10 along side Dragic. Is Archie up for the task? Right now our SG/wing spot is loaded .... Green, probably Tucker, Goodwin, CusMo, Warren.

We march forward with a young hungry squad, sans Bledsoe , a few low key additions and loads of cap space for trades and signings. Bled's a tough loss. So I'd definitely want a lightly protected 1st.

Also, to conclude my 'here comes Randall, he's a beserker' wrangle, with the Houston/Milw Lin talk, perhaps we take Illysova off their hands. He's still my favorite Frye replacement. We get nudged out of the James-games, McDo can certainly utilize cap space to get assets


You love you some Illy don't you Frank :nod: I hear ya on the not paying over market for Bled, but if it is a two for one deal, then I say James is worth more than the CBA max, his value is infinte. He should be the highest paid player in the league. So by giving Bledsoe a little more for the both of them, you actually aren't over paying for the BOTH of them 8-)



I would wager our FO is countering with market value deal (similar to Lowery's) for Bledsoe on the table.


Could be. Maybe James is in the bag, with Bosh.
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Post#892 » by phx#7 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:30 am

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1UPZ wrote:Signing Bledsoe to a max doesn't impact free agent signing because suns can go over the cap with Bledsoe.


Only after the FA's are signed. If the Suns sign Bledsoe to a contract right now it clearly impacts other signings.


If the Suns reach an agreement with Bledsoe they will delay making it official until they have completed their other moves. Even if another team offers him the max the Suns could likely convince him their intent to match to prevent him from actually signing(like how Hibbert never actually signed his offer from the Blazers because the Pacers made clear their choice to match).
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Post#893 » by Cutter » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:38 am

letsgosuns wrote:At this point I do not think there is anything that Miami can do that would make them contenders again simply because of the huge drop off of Dwayne Wade. He looks nothing like the player he was a few years ago. Unless he has some sort of miraculous turn around, I think he will continue to get worse. There are some people that think he would not even get more than 12 million a year on the open market because of his injury concerns. If the Heat think Luol Deng is the player that is going to make them champions again, I heavily disagree. They were annihilated by the Spurs and it is going to take a lot more than a role playing small forward to get them to the top again.

Wade needs to up the dosage on his HGH treatments and he's back in the game! :lol:
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Post#894 » by DirtyDez » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:42 am

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1UPZ wrote:Signing Bledsoe to a max doesn't impact free agent signing because suns can go over the cap with Bledsoe.


Only after the FA's are signed. If the Suns sign Bledsoe to a contract right now it clearly impacts other signings.


If the Suns reach an agreement with Bledsoe they will delay making it official until they have completed their other moves. Even if another team offers him the max the Suns could likely convince him their intent to match to prevent him from actually signing(like how Hibbert never actually signed his offer from the Blazers because the Pacers made clear their choice to match).


Yeah there would definitely have to be an arraignment. If he just signed an offer-sheet (with let's say Milwaukee) it would clearly mess up our cap space for FA's. I don't see why he would screw us though.
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Post#895 » by Revived » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:45 am

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sunsbum wrote:Why would durrant leave for LA? He wont. Doesn't seem like a paid mercenary like LBJ. He's got a great young squad around him that just needs to get over the hump and it wont take much. The Lakers are in lala land if thats who they are targeting.


What I don't understand is why Gasol does not just latch on with the Thunder. It would seem that he would make them extremely dangerous.

I think it is all about the money, as usual.

If I were OKC I would keep Durrant and Westbrook for the duration and I expect they will.

Gasol makes more sense in Chicago imo.
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Post#896 » by so_nashty » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:50 am

Anyone else find it interesting Lebron's agent aka Bledsoe's agent is working with the Suns right now? Maybe discussing Lebron as well?
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Post#897 » by Revived » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:53 am

This is the most boring 1st week of free agency in NBA history.
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Post#898 » by csavage658 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:55 am

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Please, please, please go to LA. If the lakers aren't already considered a mess, just wait to see this disaster!!! As lakers fans would say, "do it Mitch!"


If he goes to LA, odds that LeBron goes there go through the roof. They would get a team to take Nash and Randle in a heartbeat if need be.

But I'd take anything Simmons says with a rock of salt.

They won't have the money for three max contracts. It's all moot anyway. No way in hell, melo is giving up nearly 50 million that the Knicks can offer. Knicks can offer 50 million more than any other team!


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Everyone said the same thing last year about Dwight and the Lakers, he knows that the Knicks are in cap space hell and not looking to help him very much if he's their guy
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Post#899 » by Sunsdeuce » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:56 am

SF88 wrote:This is the most boring 1st week of free agency in NBA history.

Yeah, it's been pretty bad. And it's all lebrons fault.


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Post#900 » by thamadkant » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:56 am

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Only after the FA's are signed. If the Suns sign Bledsoe to a contract right now it clearly impacts other signings.


If the Suns reach an agreement with Bledsoe they will delay making it official until they have completed their other moves. Even if another team offers him the max the Suns could likely convince him their intent to match to prevent him from actually signing(like how Hibbert never actually signed his offer from the Blazers because the Pacers made clear their choice to match).


Yeah there would definitely have to be an arraignment. If he just signed an offer-sheet (with let's say Milwaukee) it would clearly mess up our cap space for FA's. I don't see why he would screw us though.



But thats the thing…

I'm assuming Bledsoe is with the Suns FO in all of this… in regards to getting James + another star on board.
They've most likely explained to Bledsoe that if he doesn't sign any offer sheet, he will get paid in any case.

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