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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1301 » by thomchatt3rton » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:15 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:A healthy, fit Mayo is actually a good fit next to Bledsoe as well. Mayo is only 26 and he will want to earn one more contract. I could see him returning to form. It's not like he has a Redd/Deron/Fatoine body that wants to stay perpetually fat. He's an x-factor in all this. If the new owners and coach bring more authority and accountability to the whole organization, Mayo could be a great fit with his 3-point shooting and ability to moonlight at pg.

Giannis would absolutely have to come off the bench IMO. I would try to give him 30 mpg, but he doesn't fit with the starters. Not enough shooters, and Parker/Bledsoe would dominate the ball. Let Giannis be our sf version of Manu Ginobili. He would initiate the offense, with Knight and Ersan playing off the ball more. Middleton is a great fit starting at sf.

I'm starting to talk myself into this big time. I don't think it will happen without a sign-and-trade though. Why would Phoenix let him walk? And I'm sure he wants to hold out for that 5-year max. Can players still get the full max as part of a sign-and-trade, or did the new CBA change that?


Interesting. So, if we don't sign Bledsoe (or if Bledsoe could shoot), would Giannis be a starter in your opinion?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1302 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:39 pm

Bledsoe can only get five years if Phoenix gives it to him willingly. No offer sheets can be five years. No sign and trades anymore where he could get five years and then be dealt to the Bucks with that contract in place.

Based on the crazy money and cap space that will open on other teams after LeBron makes his decision, you would have to guess Bledsoe gets a max offer sheet from someone and PHX just matches.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1303 » by Godgers » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:44 pm

If Bledsoe gets a max contract then lol @ the NBA. More reasons to stay young and build through the draft.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1304 » by EastSideBucksFan » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:46 pm

If we strike out on Bledsoe, I'm hoping we're able to pull Lin & an asset out of Houston.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1305 » by coolhandluke121 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:48 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Bledsoe can only get five years if Phoenix gives it to him willingly. No offer sheets can be five years. No sign and trades anymore where he could get five years and then be dealt to the Bucks with that contract in place.

Based on the crazy money and cap space that will open on other teams after LeBron makes his decision, you would have to guess Bledsoe gets a max offer sheet from someone and PHX just matches.


Thanks. That's good to know, since it means Bledsoe has no incentive to push for a sign-and-trade, as opposed to just signing an offer sheet that gets matched. But a sign-and-trade could still happen if Phoenix hesitates to give him even the 4-year max. That's a plausible scenario as well, and there will be a lot of competition to make the best sign-and-trade offer after several teams strike out in free agency. Henson/Knight won't cut it.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1306 » by SkilesTheLimit » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:51 pm

This Bledsoe talk is all a moot point. If the likes of Gordon Hayward are getting max offers, no way a Bledsoe max doesn't get matched by PHX with all their cap space.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1307 » by coolhandluke121 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:54 pm

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coolhandluke121 wrote:A healthy, fit Mayo is actually a good fit next to Bledsoe as well. Mayo is only 26 and he will want to earn one more contract. I could see him returning to form. It's not like he has a Redd/Deron/Fatoine body that wants to stay perpetually fat. He's an x-factor in all this. If the new owners and coach bring more authority and accountability to the whole organization, Mayo could be a great fit with his 3-point shooting and ability to moonlight at pg.

Giannis would absolutely have to come off the bench IMO. I would try to give him 30 mpg, but he doesn't fit with the starters. Not enough shooters, and Parker/Bledsoe would dominate the ball. Let Giannis be our sf version of Manu Ginobili. He would initiate the offense, with Knight and Ersan playing off the ball more. Middleton is a great fit starting at sf.

I'm starting to talk myself into this big time. I don't think it will happen without a sign-and-trade though. Why would Phoenix let him walk? And I'm sure he wants to hold out for that 5-year max. Can players still get the full max as part of a sign-and-trade, or did the new CBA change that?


Interesting. So, if we don't sign Bledsoe (or if Bledsoe could shoot), would Giannis be a starter in your opinion?


In his second year at his age, I'm not sure there's any rush to start him. Especially since people who are still growing are more prone to serious skeletal damage. If they don't get Bledsoe, I'm not sure it matters because they won't be a threat to advance in the playoffs anyway. Just top him off at 30 mpg, regardless of whether he starts. As far as "fit" is concerned, in order to get the best compementary team play I'm not convinced Giannis is better with Parker and Sanders than Middleton would be, so I would stagger minutes accordingly. But to chase the 8th seed, who cares?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1308 » by Badgerlander » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:56 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:A healthy, fit Mayo is actually a good fit next to Bledsoe as well. Mayo is only 26 and he will want to earn one more contract. I could see him returning to form. It's not like he has a Redd/Deron/Fatoine body that wants to stay perpetually fat. He's an x-factor in all this. If the new owners and coach bring more authority and accountability to the whole organization, Mayo could be a great fit with his 3-point shooting and ability to moonlight at pg.

Giannis would absolutely have to come off the bench IMO. I would try to give him 30 mpg, but he doesn't fit with the starters. Not enough shooters, and Parker/Bledsoe would dominate the ball. Let Giannis be our sf version of Manu Ginobili. He would initiate the offense, with Knight and Ersan playing off the ball more. Middleton is a great fit starting at sf.

I'm starting to talk myself into this big time. I don't think it will happen without a sign-and-trade though. Why would Phoenix let him walk? And I'm sure he wants to hold out for that 5-year max. Can players still get the full max as part of a sign-and-trade, or did the new CBA change that?


I was thinking the same thing about Mayo actually. He would be the ideal floor spacer (that is already on the roster) in the starting unit and Bledsoe/Giannis/Sanders can cover for the lack of defense from Mayo+Parker. Giannis would have to start because of that lack of defense and you would need Middleton's shooting with the second unit. I'd try to include Knight+Ersan in the trade and go with Wolters/Middleton/Inglis/JOB III/Henson off the bench. Keep Jordan Taylor on a nongtd deal as the 3rd PG.
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Post#1309 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:03 pm

IF phoenix is even willing to consider letting him go......the cost for Bledsoe is going to be next years pick plus knight and ersan in a s/t id be guessing.

im not ready to pull that trigger even tho it makes me churn to think about it. Bledsoe/giannis/ parker is enough to maybe go for it imo. but realistically, even as bold as I am in these types of deals.....I think id still play it safe and hang up the phone.

anyway.... im done with any speculation about this. its pointless to discuss if our pick isn't on the table. I think maybe were embarrassing ourselves if we think we could get Bledsoe without that going out.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1310 » by KingWing » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:08 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:IF phoenix is even willing to consider letting him go......the cost for Bledsoe is going to be next years pick plus knight and ersan in a s/t id be guessing.

im not ready to pull that trigger even tho it makes me churn to think about it. Bledsoe/giannis/ parker is enough to maybe go for it imo. but realistically, even as bold as I am in these types of deals.....I think id still play it safe and hang up the phone.

anyway.... im done with any speculation about this. its pointless to discuss if our pick isn't on the table. I think maybe were embarrassing ourselves if we think we could get Bledsoe without that going out.


Not a good idea to trade a first for the privilege of maxing out Bledsoe.
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Post#1311 » by LedZepp007 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:17 pm

Wonder if the Parker signing affects our abilities here? In other news, **** LeBron
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1312 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:46 pm

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:IF phoenix is even willing to consider letting him go......the cost for Bledsoe is going to be next years pick plus knight and ersan in a s/t id be guessing.

im not ready to pull that trigger even tho it makes me churn to think about it. Bledsoe/giannis/ parker is enough to maybe go for it imo. but realistically, even as bold as I am in these types of deals.....I think id still play it safe and hang up the phone.

anyway.... im done with any speculation about this. its pointless to discuss if our pick isn't on the table. I think maybe were embarrassing ourselves if we think we could get Bledsoe without that going out.


Not a good idea to trade a first for the privilege of maxing out Bledsoe.


as I said.... I agree. I just think that if were going to discuss this anymore then we need to put our money where our mouth is as far as what it would take to get him. right now a lot of folks would be on board with acquiring him.....but I think that support drops to virtually none if we are really trying to be practical with what it would take to get him here.
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Post#1313 » by ReddRum » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:26 pm

Please stop with all the Mayo talk. He sucks ass!!


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Post#1314 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:40 pm

ReddRum wrote:Please stop with all the Mayo talk. He sucks ass!!


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Post#1315 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:43 pm

LedZepp007 wrote:Wonder if the Parker signing affects our abilities here? In other news, **** LeBron


We had almost an equivalent cap hold, so the answer is it doesn't really.
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Post#1316 » by theFireBlanket » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:47 pm

LedZepp007 wrote:Wonder if the Parker signing affects our abilities here? In other news, **** LeBron


If it does, they probably held off signing him until finding out what Phoenix is asking for in return with a S&T. I don't think we're signing him to an offer. Their forum's insider says the Suns want a star in return. Our only potential stars are Giannis and Parker. I doubt they'd view Knight or Henson as stars.
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Post#1317 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:48 pm

The way things are going with other free agents and trades, plus what would be approximately a 5-day wait for Bledsoe even if he does sign our sheet, I'd almost as soon just pursue the Lin + assets deal as plan A. Jack + assets is now off the table as plan C, Bosh could pull the trigger to go to Houston at any moment, and Phoenix don't look that promising to land any other fa's besides Bledsoe. We wait the 5 days, and there is a good chance we end up with no viable point guard or assets gained with this cap space.
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Post#1318 » by Zeezprah » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:52 pm

DanGadzuric50 wrote:If someone is going to offer a max offer sheet to Bledsoe, I want it to be us.


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Post#1319 » by LUKE23 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 4:20 pm

Bernman wrote:The way things are going with other free agents and trades, plus what would be approximately a 5-day wait for Bledsoe even if he does sign our sheet, I'd almost as soon just pursue the Lin + assets deal as plan A. Jack + assets is now off the table as plan C, Bosh could pull the trigger to go to Houston at any moment, and Phoenix don't look that promising to land any other fa's besides Bledsoe. We wait the 5 days, and there is a good chance we end up with no viable point guard or assets gained with this cap space.


I agree with this. Honestly though, Capela or the Pelicans 1st are the only things I'd really accept to spend $15M on Lin for a year. Preferrably the Pelicans 1st.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1320 » by bigkurty » Wed Jul 9, 2014 4:28 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
Bernman wrote:The way things are going with other free agents and trades, plus what would be approximately a 5-day wait for Bledsoe even if he does sign our sheet, I'd almost as soon just pursue the Lin + assets deal as plan A. Jack + assets is now off the table as plan C, Bosh could pull the trigger to go to Houston at any moment, and Phoenix don't look that promising to land any other fa's besides Bledsoe. We wait the 5 days, and there is a good chance we end up with no viable point guard or assets gained with this cap space.


I agree with this. Honestly though, Capela or the Pelicans 1st are the only things I'd really accept to spend $15M on Lin for a year. Preferrably the Pelicans 1st.

I feel like they would have almost have to give up the first and Capela for that and I think they would do it if Bosh was ready to sign.

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