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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1381 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 9, 2014 9:50 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:Marshall would not be an upgrade over Wolters.


Agreed, and I'd go even go further to argue that Wolters is the better player (and I'm probably lower on Wolters than most here). Marshall, from an advanced statistical standpoint, was still a poor player. He had a -3.2 Roland Rating and a -2 xRAPM. Wolters put up a +2.5 Roland and +1 xRAPM.

Marshall just put up stats because he played on a run and gun team with no structure and against opponents who at points just didn't care because it was the 2nd half of the season and they were crushing his team anyway. He basically went from the D-League to the D-League plus. Regardless of the system he plays in, he's going to get destroyed defensively because he's painfully slow. And while he showed the strength of passing in college, some of that will go in an earlier season more halfcourt structure because he struggles to penetrate, and the shooting will largely go since he'll be pressured and has a low release. He's a tremendously overrated player right now, IMO.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1382 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed Jul 9, 2014 9:52 pm

lin would be good at this stage of the development of this team. it doesnt matter that we might want to eventually upgrade him. we may feel that way about everybody on this team by the time its all said and done. there is no true core right now.... only upside and projection.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1383 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 9, 2014 9:56 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The problem with Lin is that he's going to be a guy that helps you win games but at the same time is always a guy you want to replace with someone better. Sort of a Herb Kohl type acquisition.


Well, the Knicks were winning a lot with him in New York, especially when Melo was sidelined.

I think your concern is moot since under the new owners, like most they'd probably move him before the trade deadline if they weren't a good team already with him. And if they were a good team already with him, either he's buoying them a lot, or the younger players with higher upside are already impact players who'll only get considerably better. So it's not a problem either way.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1384 » by Badgerlander » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:04 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The problem with Lin is that he's going to be a guy that helps you win games but at the same time is always a guy you want to replace with someone better. Sort of a Herb Kohl type acquisition.


Lin is a good PG. His biggest problem in Houston is that he that he doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of smaller PGs and with Harden not playing any D you can't put them on the court together. He can easily put up 15 and 6 on good efficiency on the right team.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1385 » by aValpo » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:15 pm

ChuckBros4Life wrote:WHY DIDN'T WE JUST DRAFT A POINT GUARD! DAMNIT BUCKS! Isaiah Thomas was the 60th overall pick in his draft for pete's sake.


And Andrew Goudelock was the 46th pick...
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Post#1386 » by machu46 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:19 pm

Has anything about Lin heated up for us yet, or are we just talking about him because of that tweet from a while ago that we might consider trading for him if we get a first round pick as well?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1387 » by AussieBuck » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:27 pm

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Like I said, Pelicans 1st and/or Capela. Gimme.


We wouldn't have to add a second. We could send the rights to Albert Miralles.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1388 » by ChuckBros4Life » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:27 pm

aValpo wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:WHY DIDN'T WE JUST DRAFT A POINT GUARD! DAMNIT BUCKS! Isaiah Thomas was the 60th overall pick in his draft for pete's sake.


And Andrew Goudelock was the 46th pick...


And the Bucks had #31,#36,and #48 to play those odds
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1389 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:31 pm

DocHoliday wrote:Lin is a good PG. His biggest problem in Houston is that he that he doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of smaller PGs and with Harden not playing any D you can't put them on the court together. He can easily put up 15 and 6 on good efficiency on the right team.


That, and Harden took the ball away from him early in the shot clock, playing toward his weakness of shooting, and away from his strength of playmaking for teammates. It was a bad marriage in Houston to begin with, because it was motivated in part by monetary interests in the interim (considering Houston has a big Asian population), and it ignored "fit". I don't think that's Morey's strength - "team" building. He's an analytics guy. He assembles talent. But that's why he'd be a good GM to trade with in general because he could be prone to having good players but who aren't necessarily playing like it at the time. Those could be Lin, Motiejunas, etc. So to pick up them, plus a 1st rd pick to boot, could end up being a real steal.
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Post#1390 » by machu46 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:38 pm

@ShamsCharania: Julyan Stone has cleared NBA free agent waivers, discussing possible deal with 76ers, Kings and Bucks now, league source tells RealGM.
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Post#1391 » by emunney » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:39 pm

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1392 » by aValpo » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:40 pm

ChuckBros4Life wrote:
aValpo wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:WHY DIDN'T WE JUST DRAFT A POINT GUARD! DAMNIT BUCKS! Isaiah Thomas was the 60th overall pick in his draft for pete's sake.


And Andrew Goudelock was the 46th pick...


And the Bucks had #31,#36,and #48 to play those odds


The #31, #36, and #48 picks that year were Bojan Bogdanović, Jordan Williams, and Keith Benson respectively.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1393 » by ChuckBros4Life » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:55 pm

aValpo wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:
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And Andrew Goudelock was the 46th pick...


And the Bucks had #31,#36,and #48 to play those odds


The #31, #36, and #48 picks that year were Bojan Bogdanović, Jordan Williams, and Keith Benson respectively.


If you have no faith in the Bucks FO to pick guys who will be successful NBA players, your argument makes sense here. The way I see it is, those 3 teams picked the wrong guys when NBA talent was still available. My point is simply that there's quality NBA players to be found 1-60 in any draft (especially this latest draft) and the Bucks had 3 attempts to try and find it.

Not sure why a lot of people's main goal on this board is to make other posters look foolish. That's not really the best reason to be roaming these parts if you ask me, but hey, to each his own.
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Post#1394 » by Baddy Chuck » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:08 pm

machu46 wrote:@ShamsCharania: Julyan Stone has cleared NBA free agent waivers, discussing possible deal with 76ers, Kings and Bucks now, league source tells RealGM.

I like seeing names like this. We don't need to be spending big unless we're getting a big difference maker.
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Post#1395 » by JayMKE » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:12 pm

ive never heard of julyan stone
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Post#1396 » by theFireBlanket » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:19 pm

JayMKE wrote:ive never heard of julyan stone


IIRC the Bucks were interested in him last offseason, prior to him signing with Toronto. My guess is that probably had some connection with Weltman advocating Toronto take a chance on Stone.

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Post#1397 » by Chapter29 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:32 pm

machu46 wrote:@ShamsCharania: Julyan Stone has cleared NBA free agent waivers, discussing possible deal with 76ers, Kings and Bucks now, league source tells RealGM.


Interesting. I like this, I'd take him.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1398 » by aValpo » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:33 pm

ChuckBros4Life wrote:
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And the Bucks had #31,#36,and #48 to play those odds


The #31, #36, and #48 picks that year were Bojan Bogdanović, Jordan Williams, and Keith Benson respectively.


If you have no faith in the Bucks FO to pick guys who will be successful NBA players, your argument makes sense here. The way I see it is, those 3 teams picked the wrong guys when NBA talent was still available. My point is simply that there's quality NBA players to be found 1-60 in any draft (especially this latest draft) and the Bucks had 3 attempts to try and find it.


But there's not a lot of NBA talent available in the 2nd round. Which teams consistently hit 2nd round picks? Sacramento picked Tyler Honeycutt in the same draft as Isiah Thomas, Thomas Robinson 5th overall the next year, and then Ray McCallum a year after that in the second round. The Spurs 2nd rounders: DeJuan Blair, Jack McClinton, and Nando de Colo in 2009, Ryan Richards in 2010, Ádám Hanga and Dāvis Bertāns in 2011, Marcus Denmon in 2012, and Deshaun Thomas in 2013. It's not the NFL where teams trade into the 2nd for a number of extra picks. Complaining about Bucks 2nd rounders is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Every NBA team consistently strikes out in the 2nd round, so ignoring your BPA to draft for need seems like a bad idea. Hit me up when Spencer Dinwiddie, Nick Johnson, and Jordan Clarkson are at the PERs of Lin, Bledsoe, and Vasquez. Those were the first 3 PGs taken in the 2nd round.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1399 » by driese0824 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:34 pm

machu46 wrote:@ShamsCharania: Julyan Stone has cleared NBA free agent waivers, discussing possible deal with 76ers, Kings and Bucks now, league source tells RealGM.



I'm sure this board will be all over signing a guy who averaged a incredible 1 point n 1 assist a game last year for Toronto
Yep he's the perfect guy for this biard
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Post#1400 » by Chapter29 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:35 pm

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machu46 wrote:@ShamsCharania: Julyan Stone has cleared NBA free agent waivers, discussing possible deal with 76ers, Kings and Bucks now, league source tells RealGM.



I'm sure this board will be all over signing a guy who averaged a incredible 1 point n 1 assist a game last year for Toronto
Yep he's the perfect guy for this biard


Long and versatile player that can play 1-3 and is a good defender if I recall correctly.

Worth looking at imo.
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