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The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1261 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:27 am

Ryu wrote:I am much more excited to watch Archie, Alex, TJ, Plums and Ennis this saturday night than overpayng role players like Chandler Parsons today.

Sunsdeuce, you should really take a chill pill, watch our exciting prospects grow and enjoy the ride.

Lol. You know how many times I've heard let this team grow from fans over 30+ years? 1987, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2004. You know how many championships we have zero. The closest we came is when colangelo went all in and got a superstar.

So don't try and preach to me


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Post#1262 » by BobbieL » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:28 am

bhawk wrote:Our offseason doesn't have to be sexy or splashy... but it should be effective. If the Suns improve and make the playoffs next year, I am happy. If they show potential and develop players, I am happy.

As fans, we need to know that this org is committed and going in the right direction. I believe they are. I believe in the current front office because of our AWESOME offseason last summer. It surprised the heck out of this fan.

Please don't make a move to make a move. Sometimes the best option is to do nothing... look at the dbacks. The grass is NOT always greener.

Whatever happens, I am confident in the FO and their judgment.


I totally agree. If need be, there will be role players to sign, maybe one year deals that will help "fill out" the roster. And end of the day, so far, have only lost Frye. There is plenty of time for things to happen, trades to be made. Cap space and draft picks do have value. Suns are in fine shape. Don't panic
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Post#1263 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:28 am

$15m a year for Parsons? Almost makes a Bledsoe max look like a bargain.
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Post#1264 » by PassWarden » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:31 am

Is anyone else dreading Lebron going back to Cleveland? I really don't want to have to listen to the fairy tale narrative. From his "welcome home" press conference where he and Gilbert will most assuredly share tears and forgive each other, to the championship he might bring Cleveland. The whole thing is really sickening and I honestly think it tarnishes Lebron's legacy.
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Post#1265 » by matt131 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:31 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/487030953429041154[/tweet]

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Post#1266 » by matt131 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:37 am

PassWarden wrote:Is anyone else dreading Lebron going back to Cleveland? I really don't want to have to listen to the fairy tale narrative. From his "welcome home" press conference where he and Gilbert will most assuredly share tears and forgive each other, to the championship he might bring Cleveland. The whole thing is really sickening and I honestly think it tarnishes Lebron's legacy.


Yeah, I'm with you there. It'll be ALLLLLL ESPN ever talks about. More so than him going back to the Heat.

I'm also dreading a return to CLE because that most likely means Bosh to HOU, which would make the West even tougher.
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Post#1267 » by Nando88 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:39 am

Ugh... I'm just dreading the influx of YouTube videos of lebron set to that stupid "I'm coming home" song


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Post#1268 » by BertMacklin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:44 am

standing pat is never a bad thing.
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Post#1269 » by 0013 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:45 am

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0013 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:

Wishing death over someone physically hurting someone is pretty terrible as well.

Seriously.


I'm skeptical about that story personally. If true, that would be attempted murder. Why weren't police charges filed or a multimillion dollar lawsuit for that matter? That story reeks of Birdman/Kobe style slander IMO.


Why would it be attempted murder instead of Assault and Battery? Or at worst Assault with a deadly weapon? And charges were filed

"A judge released Stephenson, 19, without bail late Sunday night after his arrest on assault, menacing and harassment charges. Prosecutors had asked for $7,500 bail."


You are correct, the source I originally saw for that story didn't mention the arrest. However, the charges were dropped and the case was dismissed.
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Post#1270 » by navysully » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:47 am

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I'm skeptical about that story personally. If true, that would be attempted murder. Why weren't police charges filed or a multimillion dollar lawsuit for that matter? That story reeks of Birdman/Kobe style slander IMO.


Why would it be attempted murder instead of Assault and Battery? Or at worst Assault with a deadly weapon? And charges were filed

"A judge released Stephenson, 19, without bail late Sunday night after his arrest on assault, menacing and harassment charges. Prosecutors had asked for $7,500 bail."


You are correct, the source I originally saw for that story didn't mention the arrest. However, the charges were dropped and the case was dismissed.

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Post#1271 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:49 am

Nando88 wrote:Ugh... I'm just dreading the influx of YouTube videos of lebron set to that stupid "I'm coming home" song


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Post#1272 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:49 am

Sun Scorched wrote:Guys, gut check time.

You don't want Hayward at that price. I Promise.

Stop trying to trade our All-NBA 3rd team guard for Lance Stephenson and/or Roy Hibbert. We can sign Stephenson outright. We have like $30m in cap space. Hibbert is broken mentally, not physically. Nothing our trainers can do for him.

Deng? No.

Monroe - I guess, but why? Just to make a move? Feels like.

I think the last thing you want to do is lock yourself into a 4-year deal with anyone. If you're so hard after a SF, go pay Pierce $20m over two years. That's not a contract you'll regret, and there is still some sexiness to it.

Also, Ryan Anderson is a better shooter/rebounder than Frye and on a two year deal as well. S&T Tucker there. Also not a contract you'll regret, and he's an awesome dude to boot.

PG - Bledsoe / Ennis
SG - Dragic / Green / Goodwin
SF - Pierce / Warren / Morris
PF - Anderson / Morris
C - Plumlee / Len

Let your young guys develop - wait until next offseason. That's a very competitive team - McD is familiar with Pierce, right? It wouldn't surprise me to see Len nab the starting spot this year. You have three draft picks next year and every ability to make an in-season trade to push you over the hump.


There you go. Another backer for Pierce I love that lineup actually. We retain pretty much everyone with upgrades at 3/4, don't lose having a vet leader, and if Pierce starts to really slow down, we still have depth. I don't know if it's worh letting Tucker go necessarily though if he is really cheap for some depth and a great defender. Quite a bit of versatility with that lineup.
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Post#1273 » by so_nashty » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:50 am

Nando88 wrote:Ugh... I'm just dreading the influx of YouTube videos of lebron set to that stupid "I'm coming home" song


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Post#1274 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:56 am

Sun Scorched wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:This is exactly why McD is a great GM.
He's not going to overpay for ****


I'm honestly shocked at those that are freaking out - every huge contract that gets signed, I'm completely glad it's not us giving that contract out.

I see this: "Chandler Parsons, Mavs Agree Upon $46M Offer Sheet" and I'm like, "Bullet dodged, thank God."


Plus it's nice to see all the teams that carved out cap space to make a run at a star use their cap space up. Fewer teams to offer Bledsoe a max.
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Post#1275 » by spanishninja » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:00 am

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Ryu wrote:I am much more excited to watch Archie, Alex, TJ, Plums and Ennis this saturday night than overpayng role players like Chandler Parsons today.

Sunsdeuce, you should really take a chill pill, watch our prospects grow and enjoy the ride.


Yep! If we were on the verge of being a contender than I would say go PAY a guy like Parsons. But we have no need to. We are still rebuilding, we don't have a star. Why blow your wads to be a 9th,8th,7th seed?


because you really can't go from lottery to championship overnight. Aside from Miami and San Antonio, you basically HAVE to spent a few years in the 5-9 seed range to even have a chance to reach the finals. Look at OKC. They lucked themselves into the best possible situation after the move from seattle with top 5 picks three years in a row, and they STILL had to work their way up from 8th seed to 4th seed before eventually getting to the top 2. And this is in basically an ideal scenario. So for us to say "we're good, we just need to develop our core" is complete BS. Listen, we DON'T have a core of Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka. It's going to take us longer to make it back to being a deep playoff team. But it will take even longer if we just keep what we have and pretend it's going to be enough, especially with the tons of cap space we're not using.

And if you think we'll have a better record than last year with this same group, you got another thing coming. Not only are we no longer sneaking up on anybody, but almost every other potential playoff team is going to get better next year. Mavs got Mo Williams and Chandler (maybe even Parsons). Memphis will be healthier than last year. Golden State might have a better coach and still might pull off a KLove deal. Portland has Kaman. Houston is likely getting Bosh. If we don't make any moves after losing Frye, who exactly are we going to leapfrog this season? Don't make the fans get all excited after a 48-win season only to have to go back to watching a 30-win team.
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Post#1276 » by Gorilla Warfare » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am

Watching Paul Pierce's corpse try to keep up with Dragic and Bledsoe running all over the court is not something I would like out of a over the summer acquisition...
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Post#1277 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:05 am

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Nando88 wrote:Ugh... I'm just dreading the influx of YouTube videos of lebron set to that stupid "I'm coming home" song


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Post#1278 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:06 am

DarkHawk wrote:I get what you're saying but you have to realize, we were fortunate to compete last year. This is supposed to be year 2 of our rebuild. What would adding a cap strangle player like Parsons do for us? I agree we should have made a play for him (for cheaper) but we have our own guys to worry about right now. 4 guys need developing.

The only true argument I would have is, we could have signed him and traded him this season if we really didn't want him. But still, it is what it is. This free agent class has a lot of candy, but not necessarily the good kind.


And it makes sense for Dallas to overpay to get a guy they need. Dirk is near the end of the career and they committed to putting good players around him if he took a pay cut. They have their rim protector in Chandler, and their combo guard in Ellis, so now Parsons is a nice player to add for them. If someone like them has to overpay to get him, what else are they going to do? Waste Dirk's last two years?

But for us, overpaying on good but not great players, as tough as the west is, could potentially cripple our flexibility later.

Let our young players develop. If you can add a vet for one year to help out at a reasonable price (Pierce at $9 million or something), no long term harm done, and it could benefit the young guys and make us more competitive this year.

But paying the rest of these free agents more than 12 is getting a bit out of hand.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1279 » by BobbieL » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:07 am

BertMacklin wrote:standing pat is never a bad thing.


Standing pat beats the hell out of signing Warrick and Childress and trading for Hedo

Suns have cap space
If nothing happens and there is the 2nd wave or 3rd wave, Tier C, whatever

I know he doesn't shoot lik Frye but a guy like Marion,on a one year deal, brings value


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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1280 » by sunskerr » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:07 am

Not a fan of Pierce for this team. He dropped off way too hard last year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... cpa01.html

I certainly wouldn't mind Ryan Anderson though. I mean, when you talk about a player to replace what Frye does (and then some), he comes to mind.

Greg Monroe is probably not happening, bar a s&t. He's a 24 year old averaging 15&10. That probably will command a max contract and Detroit would probably match.

Neither of those guys are Kevin Love but we definitely improve. And of course, we still have Markieff Morris - don't forget about him. He made a big jump last season.

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