The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[Superhuman]

I understand it's his home state, but our talent is better than their talent, and Cleveland is just as small of a market as us. The fact that (allegedly) he does not have any interest in Phoenix but fine with going back to the city that has grown to hate him more and more over the past 4 years is kind of a shock. I honestly think his reception from the fans in Cleveland won't be as great as people think it will be, but Rihanna got back with Chris Brown after he beat the sh*t out of her so what the f**k do I know about humans...

I truly believe the only factor why he was turned off by the suns was that it was in the west IMO. If Phoenix was located in Vermont, he'd choose us. But he's gotten so use to his easy road to the finals so he's choosing cavs.

[King4Day]

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Suns stil have a shot?

If LeBron chooses Cleveland, chances are they will offer Wiggins for Love and there's no chance they turn that offer down.
If not, I do think we have a chance at Love still.

[GDFTony]

I am much more excited to watch Archie, Alex, TJ, Plums and Ennis this saturday night than overpayng role players like Chandler Parsons today.

Sunsdeuce, you should really take a chill pill, watch our exciting prospects grow and enjoy the ride.

Lol. You know how many times I've heard let this team grow from fans over 30+ years? 1987, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2004. You know how many championships we have zero. The closest we came is when colangelo went all in and got a superstar.

So don't try and preach to me


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So you think Chandler Parsons is bringing this roster to the finals?

[Gorilla Warfare]

Taking a team in the West to the Finals would be a lot more impressive than taking a team in the East to the Finals. I know that's the biggest reason why he will more than likely stay out East, but it's just really sad how he's taking the easiest road to the Finals each year.

[GDFTony]

I am much more excited to watch Archie, Alex, TJ, Plums and Ennis this saturday night than overpayng role players like Chandler Parsons today.

Sunsdeuce, you should really take a chill pill, watch our prospects grow and enjoy the ride.

Yep! If we were on the verge of being a contender than I would say go PAY a guy like Parsons. But we have no need to. We are still rebuilding, we don't have a star. Why blow your wads to be a 9th,8th,7th seed?

because you really can't go from lottery to championship overnight. Aside from Miami and San Antonio, you basically HAVE to spent a few years in the 5-9 seed range to even have a chance to reach the finals. Look at OKC. They lucked themselves into the best possible situation after the move from seattle with top 5 picks three years in a row, and they STILL had to work their way up from 8th seed to 4th seed before eventually getting to the top 2. And this is in basically an ideal scenario. So for us to say "we're good, we just need to develop our core" is complete BS. Listen, we DON'T have a core of Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka. It's going to take us longer to make it back to being a deep playoff team. But it will take even longer if we just keep what we have and pretend it's going to be enough, especially with the tons of cap space we're not using.

And if you think we'll have a better record than last year with this same group, you got another thing coming. Not only are we no longer sneaking up on anybody, but almost every other potential playoff team is going to get better next year. Mavs got Mo Williams and Chandler (maybe even Parsons). Memphis will be healthier than last year. Golden State might have a better coach and still might pull off a KLove deal. Portland has Kaman. Houston is likely getting Bosh. If we don't make any moves after losing Frye, who exactly are we going to leapfrog this season? Don't make the fans get all excited after a 48-win season only to have to go back to watching a 30-win team.

So you think Parsons will be a core player at 15 million?

You think we can build around Parsons more than Dragic?

[gaspar]

So "currently" the suns have to replace a starter with a bench player in Morris.

Perhaps the Suns have more confidence in Markieff than you do.

"If Markieff keeps progressing like this I'd imagine he'd be a starter at some point in his NBA career," McDonough added. "I think it'd be hard to envision him not being a starter if he keeps putting up these numbers and playing so well."

"Not only has he been on the court late, we've run a lot of stuff for him," McDonough said. "We go to him in the post and run a lot of pick-and-rolls where he's the screener and either the roller or the pop guy with Goran (Dragic) or Eric (Bledsoe) coming off.

"I think that shows Coach Hornacek and our staff's confidence in Markieff and he's certainly rewarded us by being very efficient and not only scoring, but making plays for others down the stretch as well."

[spanishninja]

Yep! If we were on the verge of being a contender than I would say go PAY a guy like Parsons. But we have no need to. We are still rebuilding, we don't have a star. Why blow your wads to be a 9th,8th,7th seed?

because you really can't go from lottery to championship overnight. Aside from Miami and San Antonio, you basically HAVE to spent a few years in the 5-9 seed range to even have a chance to reach the finals. Look at OKC. They lucked themselves into the best possible situation after the move from seattle with top 5 picks three years in a row, and they STILL had to work their way up from 8th seed to 4th seed before eventually getting to the top 2. And this is in basically an ideal scenario. So for us to say "we're good, we just need to develop our core" is complete BS. Listen, we DON'T have a core of Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka. It's going to take us longer to make it back to being a deep playoff team. But it will take even longer if we just keep what we have and pretend it's going to be enough, especially with the tons of cap space we're not using.

And if you think we'll have a better record than last year with this same group, you got another thing coming. Not only are we no longer sneaking up on anybody, but almost every other potential playoff team is going to get better next year. Mavs got Mo Williams and Chandler (maybe even Parsons). Memphis will be healthier than last year. Golden State might have a better coach and still might pull off a KLove deal. Portland has Kaman. Houston is likely getting Bosh. If we don't make any moves after losing Frye, who exactly are we going to leapfrog this season? Don't make the fans get all excited after a 48-win season only to have to go back to watching a 30-win team.

So you think Parsons will be a core player at 15 million?

You think we can build around Parsons more than Dragic?

nobody said anything about getting rid of Dragic. The cap space will be there next year even if we try to get Parsons or Monroe or whoever now. But we're literally not doing anything while losing Frye, who we at the very least need to replace, so right off the bat we are starting at a net negative.

[Cutter]

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/7/9/5885221/phoenix-suns-2014-nba-summer-league-watch-miles-plumlee#comments.

I'm not a Plumlee fan at all, but look at what he is saying about some of the line ups Hornacek is looking at.

Our rookies, especially Alex Len, seem to be more flexible position wise than most poster think.

The Suns' head coach of the summer league team, Mike Longabardi, hinted that the Suns could use both Plumlee and Len on the floor together in their version of the twin towers. When Miles was asked how the two of them have meshed together thus far, he responded, "It's gone well. We're really working on our big-to-big passing, and Alex has a great mid-range jump shot. It's not the same as having Channing (Frye) space the floor, but I think we've got something really good going right now."

[spanishninja]

Now that I'm calmed down.

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

I honestly feel like 35 wins is realistic with the current roster.

I just feel at this point, the suns can't afford to take a step back which it's starting to feel like.


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It's essentially the same roster plus rookies minus Frye. How do we go from 48 wins to 35 wins? That's a major drop off.

McD knows what he's doing. The offseason ain't over.

I too have confidence in McDonough.

If we can't take a calculated risk on adding a game changing player this summer, then he will maintain the flexibility to add that player via trade or free agency next year. The only disadvantage to waiting is losing out on Dragic's productivity at a bargain salary rate and getting closer to have to re-sign some of our other players to larger contracts when their rookie deals expire. This is also why we are going to have to cash in on some chips sooner or later. We can't pay Dragic, Plumlee, Markieff, and Len/Archie/whoever pans out market value, so may as well trade them for someone who deserves a max deal.

If we don't get somebody now and make the playoffs (I've already described how it's going to be even tougher next season), what makes you think we can get Dragic to stay at any salary? He can be the nicest guy in the world but he's not going to throw away the prime of his career locked on a mediocre team ala Deron Williams. You guys don't understand that the best way to get people to come here is to start acquiring people. You also seem to overvalue cash that's sitting there doing nothing. It's not really your money, why not spend it?

[Moochthemonkey]

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

rhetorical question? Barring injuries, why would anyone be pleased with winning 13 less games and more or less the same roster. That would mean that none of our 2nd-4th year players have improved.

I'm just saying if we don't make the playoffs for a fifth year, I can see all the optimism fade real quick.

I mean think about. Im starting to get up there in age. And I have never seen a suns team miss the playoffs 5 straight times. That's not the suns organization I know and grew up with. Just saying.


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I hear you. I also agree the Suns offense is going to take a hit without a stretch big. btw, how old are you and how long have you been a suns fan? While I'm relatively young suns fan (didn't start following basketball seriously until later in life) since around 1997 I think it's the first time in history that the Suns have even missed the playoffs 4 years in a row.

I think we are in a situation similar to the Clippers...had an outside shot at Lebron in 2010, missed the playoffs that year but the next year landed Paul (Love comes to Phx?) and now they're contenders.

[bwgood77]

Now that I'm calmed down.

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

I honestly feel like 35 wins is realistic with the current roster.

I just feel at this point, the suns can't afford to take a step back which it's starting to feel like.


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It purely depends on whether or not our young guys appear to be making serious progress. If we have some injuries and Warren, Goodwin and Len or even Ennis play a bit and show serious talent for their ages, I'll be happy.

It's tough to know how good we will be. So were you one of the ones really high on Frye and Tucker? I was pretty high on Frye and think it will negatively impact Dragic's game...

but if you were NOT that high on Frye or Tucker, why do you think we are at 35 wins? What if Bledsoe and Dragic are healthy? They won 75% of their game together. Why the huge step back?

While I have mentioned I think they could regress due to chemistry potentially getting worse, a little animosity if Bledsoe is making more than double Dragic, other teams being healthier, us not sneaking up on people, I'm surprised you think we are at 35 wins as is.

It wouldn't surprise me THAT much based on a lot of the things I just said, but if our young guys are making serious progress, I'd be ok with that. I think we will still be right in the mix though with our current roster if healthy.....anywhere from 5-10 seed....that mix is a lot of teams...that's the problem and some of them like Dallas and Memphis might be MUCH better than last year.

I think our major chance will come 2-3 years down the road when a few of the teams are aging and declining. Many of the stars in the west will get pretty old and decline soon. If our youth gives us versatility and depth in 2-3 years, we will be VERY dangerous.

Right now, even if we add Deng, it's probably still a dogfight just to make it to the postseason.

[lilfishi22]

Now that I'm calmed down.

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

I honestly feel like 35 wins is realistic with the current roster.

I just feel at this point, the suns can't afford to take a step back which it's starting to feel like.


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I thought we were a 20 win team this time last year.

[AZWildByNature]

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Sixers getting assets.

[gaspar]

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[lazyboy62]

http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/94ea ... next-moves

Bosh talks to Bron!

[bhawk]

he said expunge...

[Desertfox]

Anyone know how much cap space teams have left?

[pquinlan]

I have to believe the suns brass is up to something. There is too much money to spend and sarver said that we would or could possibly go over the cap.

[Kerrsed]

Gilbert Arenas thinks Lebron is staying in Miami:

http://instagram.com/p/qQEXDWvP8i/

[Blackification]

I have to believe the suns brass is up to something. There is too much money to spend and sarver said that we would or could possibly go over the cap.

At the time he said that Lebron was still considering their offer and they very well could have. Now who is going to put them over the cap that would be worth it?