The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[Blackification]

I wish we at least had some kind of idea of where we are heading. I mean there has been close to zero info about us in the media for the past week. Even though we were still in the Lebron chase up until yesterday, nobody was reporting on us.

I was listening to Bill simmons and zach lowe yesterday and they got to talking about phoenix and they both just said I have no clue what is going on or what they are going to do lol. They couldn't even come up with any guesses. No rumors to talk about other than lebron nothing.

Our freakin RFAs haven't even been reported to have talked to any teams.. just that the raptors are interested in tucker and the bucks in bledsoe. It seems Hornacek has a sniper pointed at anyone who starts dialing their numbers.

The best part is we will do something out of nowhere that no one is talking about and that is why we are all pressing the refresh because deep down we know we have to do something now that Frye is gone.

[Sunsdeuce]

Bruce Arians walked into a different situation.
He needed one player.

The cardinals and suns GM are actually very similar
They don't overpay market value and they get cheap deals.
Last year they basically spent money on 1year contracts
This year they barely spent any.

Both GMs believe in the draft process

The cards got One of the best LT in the game as well as an elite corner. They didn't stand pat.

Draft is way more important to nfl teams than NBA teams. Even a late draft pick is huge to a team.




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That's homerism to the max cromartie is not a elite DB his best days are behind him.
He was a upgrade though. The GMs are the same they don't throw big money out period.
They gave cromartie,Abraham, mendenhall Etc to short term deals.
Dansby got a long term offer and they let him walk
Just like the suns let frye go.


Yeah the NFl draft is more important but it's equivalent to hoarding assets in the nba.
Len/Archie/6 draft picks in 2 years etc.. At some point you so cash them in.

Arians walked into a team that had a elite defense and a pro bowl WR
All he needed was a QB.

When hornacek took the team they had a projection of being the worst team in the damn league.
At the end of the day BOTH franchises should of been in playoffs.
But the divison/conference was just bad luck

You know your NFL. I like it. I know this is a suns forum but god damn D Washington really screwed us over. Selfish prick. Had he not been suspended, no doubt in mind we would be a contender. Now I'm alittle nervous. Hope we can still have an elite defense!

Anyway back to the suns. Talking football gets me all excited! (It's almost here!)



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[JMac1]

I wish we at least had some kind of idea of where we are heading. I mean there has been close to zero info about us in the media for the past week. Even though we were still in the Lebron chase up until yesterday, nobody was reporting on us.

I was listening to Bill simmons and zach lowe yesterday and they got to talking about phoenix and they both just said I have no clue what is going on or what they are going to do lol. They couldn't even come up with any guesses. No rumors to talk about other than lebron nothing.

Our freakin RFAs haven't even been reported to have talked to any teams.. just that the raptors are interested in tucker and the bucks in bledsoe. It seems Hornacek has a sniper pointed at anyone who starts dialing their numbers.

The best part is we will do something out of nowhere that no one is talking about and that is why we are all pressing the refresh because deep down we know we have to do something now that Frye is gone.

What's so funny, because those dumb bastards don't know anything? Imbeciles......don't they know a tight lipped ship sails forever!!

[lazyboy62]

I think we are forgeting two things.... One that's the worst picture of Mike Miller I've ever seen on the bottom of the page everytime I hit refresh and we need to make a move just to replace it. And two... I'm a ballboy...on page 69. It's the little moments in life.

[Blackification]

This off season is very similar to 2010. Everyone is cashing out and teams are overpaying like crazy.

Was that not the off season where we signed warrick, hedo, and childress just because? Thank you McD for waiting and not overpaying for a small upgrade over tucker who did a damn good job last year. What move can we make that would be worth it? We will be the biggest players at the trade deadline and even bigger players next off season. Rome wasn't built in a day its easy to say McD should make a move but he needs to make the right one and right now there aren't too many of those because the market is ****.

[lilfishi22]

LMFAO, i forgot all about this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtqZgfFKgQ[/youtube]

Talk about a clingy/crazy ex-gf

[lilfishi22]

If I was LeBron, I'd be like "Wow, no one worth a damn lives here anymore. I don't even know who 80% of these people are....South Beach....here I come!"

That's exactly the type of thing that makes me think, "I gotta get out here. Now"

[Blackification]

I wish we at least had some kind of idea of where we are heading. I mean there has been close to zero info about us in the media for the past week. Even though we were still in the Lebron chase up until yesterday, nobody was reporting on us.

I was listening to Bill simmons and zach lowe yesterday and they got to talking about phoenix and they both just said I have no clue what is going on or what they are going to do lol. They couldn't even come up with any guesses. No rumors to talk about other than lebron nothing.

Our freakin RFAs haven't even been reported to have talked to any teams.. just that the raptors are interested in tucker and the bucks in bledsoe. It seems Hornacek has a sniper pointed at anyone who starts dialing their numbers.

The best part is we will do something out of nowhere that no one is talking about and that is why we are all pressing the refresh because deep down we know we have to do something now that Frye is gone.

What's so funny, because those dumb bastards don't know anything? Imbeciles......don't they know a tight lipped ship sails forever!!

I just think its funny because lebron can't take a **** without someone tweeting about it but its been over a week and there is nothing coming out about the suns.

[Frank Lee]

I love the rookies and hope they devlop into all stars. I look forward to their devlopment. Really I do! I'm a Suns fan for life. Having said that I'd love to at least get some help in the SF and PF position. I'd like to keep the ball rolling on the winning and overachieving that we had last year. Standing pat and not taking any chances with the roster we have would be foolish. What I mean by that is with a core of youngsters we could presumably package in a trade, at a later time, if we got a bad contract or player that sucked the air outta the place. I'm not saying we have to win the chip this year but I think McD should do something to improve my piece of mind. I can spout more cliche's if need be.

What can you do La-Z-Boy? Nobody wants to come and play ball with us. Not the big namers anyway.
We're just going to have to kick ass and take names this year.. They will notice. if you can't beat them join them... That seems to be the way of the modern FA.

Would Kenyon Martin satisfy you temporarily ... ?

[DirtyDez]

YouTube videos can be deceiving but Monroe looks more explosive than his "stiff" reputation describes. Also have to factor him going from a bad team to good team so why wouldn't he overachieve like everyone else here? Kieff or Plumlee gotta go to make it happen so I can't see it happening.

[Jarlaxle0204]

standing pat is never a bad thing.

I understand your sentiment and what you think you were trying to say but this statement is completely asinine. Standing pat is sometimes a good thing. Sure. To say that it's NEVER a bad thing is ridiculous. I think if the Heat had stood pat and not signed Lebron and Bosh, that probably would have been a bad thing for them don't you?

Yeah, standing pat isn't a bad thing when you tried to sign the best player in the world and it didn't work out. Calm down man. It's not like we didn't try. If standing pat is your last resort it's never the end of the world.

I don't understand why you're telling me to calm down. I'm not upset. I already explained that I'll be fine watching our young up and coming players this year. I'm also happy that we took a swing at the fences even if we struck out. Ive also explained why I think this is the year to try and improve the team by using our cap space (because if we save it now, we won't have it next year after resigning our guys).

People keep saying, don't just sign someone to sign someone. I don't think anyone is advocating for that. Who knows what would happen if we added Hayward or Parsons to this team that already was 1 game out of the playoffs in the western conference along with more experience and cohesion amongst our returning players and coaches. When we signed Nash, did anyone expect us to take off into the stratosphere the way we did originally? Sometimes you just need that one piece that fits.

I agree with you that if standing pat is your last resort (and it may very well be now), that it's not the end of the world. What I don't agree with and can't understand how anyone could is your original statement that standing pat is NEVER a bad thing. Only a sith deals in absolutes.

[bwgood77]

My preference would be for small moves, or taking chances on some younger players like we did with Plumlee and Green. With the right mix of small moves, we could become a 50 win team, with cap space and three draft picks next year. What more could a free agent ask for? You could go after Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, or LaMarcus Aldridge. Or, depending on the progress our own players make, you extend them and spend smaller amounts on tier 2 and 3 free agents.

I find myself agreeing with Barkley6 a lot. But I really like the idea of finding guys that people may be overlooking. I mean if our coaching staff can turn Green and Plumlee who were afterthoughts into starters on a 49 win team, WHO ELSE is out there and lets find them! Why waste huge dollars on guys past their prime when we can pluck guys for nothing that no one cares about and find their potential. People were wondering why we were going after Kent Bazemore. I don't care why...the dude gets paid, what a million dollars? Who knows what we can do with him? If they see something in these guys, go get them.

Honestly, last year if Green and Plumlee were free agents and we signed Green for $3 million and Plumlee for $1 million SunsDeuce would have likely lost it. To be fair, many of us would have wondered what was up. But if we can get more production out of guys on the cheap instead of vastly overpaying guys like everyone else is doing it's a no lose situation. The west is VERY tough. Lets load our arsenal with multiple cheap, yet deadly weapons for the future.

[NaturalBuns]

YouTube videos can be deceiving but Monroe looks more explosive than his "stiff" reputation describes. Also have to factor him going from a bad team to good team so why wouldn't he overachieve like everyone else here? Kieff or Plumlee gotta go to make it happen so I can't see it happening.

Don't forget he also had to deal with Jennings and smith.
His number improve at Center but Drummond takes a lot of those minutes.

[spanishninja]

@ spandexninja ... Your whining is duly noted... But I think you overstate and over rate the improvements of almost every team you mentioned and ignore what the differences will be with us.


We'll add at least a PF because we need to, but no need to cry about SFs and SGs signing elsewhere , especially at those prices. I guess I have a little more faith in the FO and roster than you

But this is a forum so go ahead and vent. Just watch where you step... Someone dropped a duece around here

name calling. nice move Frank Pee. It's apparently not ok to state the facts about our current team, but perfectly acceptable to denigrate fellow posters. I came here to talk about the only sports team I follow (and one I've done for 20 years), not to engage in this kind of shenanigans.

Back to the point, I never said that I wanted Hayward or Parsons to come here. I agree that we need a 4 most of all. So what's your choice for a quality PF then? Tons of speculation about how Monroe doesn't fit or Anderson may not be healthy, but it's about time we try for somebody. What do you honestly think a bunch of unused cash would do for us? Flexibility? Flexibility for what?

[LukasBMW]

If Lebron stays in Miami, Kevin Love doesn't get traded (yet) and Chris Bosh doesn't join Houston.

If Lebron goes to the Cavs, Kevin Love probably gets traded to the Cavs as well and we miss our shot at him. Additionally, Chris Bosh joins the Rockets and makes them tougher.

So, let's all hope that Reilly pulled out his bazooka today and blew Lebron away with his plan to keep winning.

[lazyboy62]

I love the rookies and hope they devlop into all stars. I look forward to their devlopment. Really I do! I'm a Suns fan for life. Having said that I'd love to at least get some help in the SF and PF position. I'd like to keep the ball rolling on the winning and overachieving that we had last year. Standing pat and not taking any chances with the roster we have would be foolish. What I mean by that is with a core of youngsters we could presumably package in a trade, at a later time, if we got a bad contract or player that sucked the air outta the place. I'm not saying we have to win the chip this year but I think McD should do something to improve my piece of mind. I can spout more cliche's if need be.

What can you do La-Z-Boy? Nobody wants to come and play ball with us. Not the big namers anyway.
We're just going to have to kick ass and take names this year.. They will notice. if you can't beat them join them... That seems to be the way of the modern FA.

Would Kenyon Martin satisfy you temporarily ... ?

I think you're right Mr. Lee... But damn it man don't take my dreams. Esp. when you put it like that. Maybe the Kenyon of like three years ago. Oh for what it's worth, big ups to Pop for the contract extention. I personally wish he woulda retired but hey...

[bwgood77]

I wish we at least had some kind of idea of where we are heading. I mean there has been close to zero info about us in the media for the past week. Even though we were still in the Lebron chase up until yesterday, nobody was reporting on us.

I kind of like it that way...yeah it's frustrating for us...but no news on Bledsoe is good news. McD has done a great job making others think they shouldn't waste their time and it increases his leverage in contract negotiations.

Of course when the stars make their decisions, dollars may start flying everywhere and Bledsoe will get his max offer we match, but no one has dared to go there yet...not a bad thing.

[Kerrsed]

Well i know that Heat fans are going crazy and want the FO to go after Bledsoe/Stephenson/Monroe with all the cash that they will have once Lebron/Bosh leave.

[Sunsdeuce]

I understand your sentiment and what you think you were trying to say but this statement is completely asinine. Standing pat is sometimes a good thing. Sure. To say that it's NEVER a bad thing is ridiculous. I think if the Heat had stood pat and not signed Lebron and Bosh, that probably would have been a bad thing for them don't you?

Yeah, standing pat isn't a bad thing when you tried to sign the best player in the world and it didn't work out. Calm down man. It's not like we didn't try. If standing pat is your last resort it's never the end of the world.

I don't understand why you're telling me to calm down. I'm not upset. I already explained that I'll be fine watching our young up and coming players this year. I'm also happy that we took a swing at the fences even if we struck out. Ive also explained why I think this is the year to try and improve the team by using our cap space (because if we save it now, we won't have it next year after resigning our guys).

People keep saying, don't just sign someone to sign someone. I don't think anyone is advocating for that. Who knows what would happen if we added Hayward or Parsons to this team that already was 1 game out of the playoffs in the western conference along with more experience and cohesion amongst our returning players and coaches. When we signed Nash, did anyone expect us to take off into the stratosphere the way we did originally? Sometimes you just need that one piece that fits.

I agree with you that if standing pat is your last resort (and it may very well be now), that it's not the end of the world. What I don't agree with and can't understand how anyone could is your original statement that standing pat is NEVER a bad thing. Only a sith deals in absolutes.

You are wise.

[LukasBMW]

I also still think there is an outside chance that Melo, James, Bosh, and Wade all re-up in Miami and this was all an elaborate show put on by Lebron and Reilly.

If you recall, this is what Stephen Smith reported at the beginning of free agency. The last time he made a prediction like this, he was ridiculed but turned out to be exactly right. Perhaps those in the know have a soft spot for Stephen.