Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

Badgerlander · Post #1521 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:55 pm

StikWitEM wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:well we may still crash the lin party apparently.

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-phi ... -expensive?

To me this just sounds like Philly wants a kings ransom to take on Lins contract and Hammond would be fine just taking Lin with no extra incentive.

? I don't see any mention of the Bucks or Hammond in the article, am I missing something?

EastSideBucksFan · Post #1522 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:59 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
StikWitEM wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:well we may still crash the lin party apparently.

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-phi ... -expensive?

To me this just sounds like Philly wants a kings ransom to take on Lins contract and Hammond would be fine just taking Lin with no extra incentive.

? I don't see any mention of the Bucks or Hammond in the article, am I missing something?

This specifically mentions Bucks

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... um=twitter

Badgerlander · Post #1523 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:00 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ajchawks/status/487234182083792896[/tweet]

Guys, I know who we should sign! We needs more forwards! :lol:

Bernman · Post #1524 » by **Bernman** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:01 pm

Hopefully Hinkie is just involved for his buddy to help him drive down the price for taking on Lin. I could certainly see Hinkie not wanting to absorb Lin because he could dent their blatant tank. They would have to play him for a half a year before moving him. Without re-increasing his value by playing better in a different situation, they couldn't move him without themselves in turn giving up an asset or taking on an albatross. Which would defeat the purpose of the deal in the first place.

I think the Lin + assets package has more value to us because Lin doesn't throw as much of a wrench in our plans as he may the Sixers. We're not tanking per se. He may actually help our situation. So we should be able to negotiate a more reasonable deal for the Rockets. Lin + Pelicans' 1st + Motiejunas (who has next to no role with Houston now, and it'll only get worse after Bosh arrives). That to me is perfectly reasonable. If the Sixers get more than that it was an epic fail by the Bucks or collusion.

Badgerlander · Post #1525 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:03 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
StikWitEM wrote:
To me this just sounds like Philly wants a kings ransom to take on Lins contract and Hammond would be fine just taking Lin with no extra incentive.

? I don't see any mention of the Bucks or Hammond in the article, am I missing something?

This specifically mentions Bucks

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... um=twitter

where is the no incentive coming from then, I see this

Sources say that the Milwaukee Bucks are another team that would consider trading for Lin if the Rockets add a sweetener or two to the deal for the privilege of shedding Lin’s contract to a team that can comfortably absorb it.

raysbookclub · Post #1526 » by **raysbookclub** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:05 pm

Has it been generally understood that the sweetener for taking Lin is a 2015 1st round pick (Hou or NO)?

emunney · Post #1527 » by **emunney** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:05 pm

FrieAaron wrote:I don't understand why so many people have apparently given up on Wolters.

For me, it's not about giving up on Wolters. It's about being perpetually aggressive in upgrading the roster. I think Wolters is going to be a good player. If he can't find minutes, that probably means we have too many good players. Not a bad thing.

Also, we only have two point guards on the roster and only one of them is a true ball-handler (that would be Nate). We have to get somebody else who can do that, even on a tanking team.

Newz · Post #1528 » by **Newz** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:09 pm

emunney wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:I don't understand why so many people have apparently given up on Wolters.

For me, it's not about giving up on Wolters. It's about being perpetually aggressive in upgrading the roster. I think Wolters is going to be a good player. If he can't find minutes, that probably means we have too many good players. Not a bad thing.

Also, we only have two point guards on the roster and only one of them is a true ball-handler (that would be Nate). We have to get somebody else who can do that, even on a tanking team.

In addition you never let a talent like Wolters stop you from acquiring talented players. If you for some reason thing that a player would clash with or disrupt the development of guys like Parker or Giannis, then I would say avoid them. But if they cut Wolters' playing time because they are better than him, then it's not a big deal. Wolters is far from a 'core piece' to a team. He should be a nice role player though.

Bernman · Post #1529 » by **Bernman** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:10 pm

books wrote:Has it been generally understood that the sweetener for taking Lin is a 2015 1st round pick (Hou or NO)?

One of those picks, and a prospect. Those are the rumors which have surfaced thus far.

Matches Malone · Post #1530 » by **Matches Malone** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:19 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
? I don't see any mention of the Bucks or Hammond in the article, am I missing something?

This specifically mentions Bucks

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... um=twitter

where is the no incentive coming from then, I see this

Sources say that the Milwaukee Bucks are another team that would consider trading for Lin if the Rockets add a sweetener or two to the deal for the privilege of shedding Lin’s contract to a team that can comfortably absorb it.

The no incentive part is just me being a pessimist when it comes to Hammond trading. I just think that if the Rockets don't want to give up a ton of assets to Philly to take back Lin's contract, I could see a scenario where we end up with Lin with nothing else coming back. Hambone gonna hambone.

FrieAaron · Post #1531 » by **FrieAaron** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:37 pm

Newz wrote:In addition you never let a talent like Wolters stop you from acquiring talented players.

I agree with this, but talking about signing free agents or making trades to fill needs on this team? Isn't that what were all in agreement was a terrible idea just a few months ago? I would also argue that we still don't really know how good Wolters could be yet, he's still young and like Giannis was playing for a coach who for whatever reason wasn't interested in playing them when even as rookies they were often the better players on the floor.

I say ride with him at least this one more year, see what we have and then draft the talent. If the team surpasses expectations so we're already ahead of where we thought we would be, then start talking about filling needs through free agency and trades.

[MIKE C] · Post #1532 » by **[MIKE C]** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:37 pm

If Hammond acquired Lin and the only thing he got back was one of the 1st round picks, even if it was Houston's pick, that'd still be a step in the right direction for Hammond. Considering Lin is only on the books for this season I'd be fine taking him on even if all we got was a late first. At least Hammond would finally be adding another 1st round pick.

europa · Post #1533 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:39 pm

Not bummed Vasquez is off the board and Lin may be too. For me, it's Bledsoe or bust.

machu46 · Post #1534 » by **machu46** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:48 pm

Make it happen Milwaukee! Get Lin and that 1st round pick! I'd legitimately be excited about this move.

FrieAaron · Post #1535 » by **FrieAaron** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:54 pm

[MIKE C] wrote:If Hammond acquired Lin and the only thing he got back was one of the 1st round picks, even if it was Houston's pick, that'd still be a step in the right direction for Hammond. Considering Lin is only on the books for this season I'd be fine taking him on even if all we got was a late first. At least Hammond would finally be adding another 1st round pick.

Yeah, this I'd be fine with. Isn't next years draft supposed to be another deep one?

midranger · Post #1536 » by **midranger** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:01 pm

DocHoliday wrote:While Houston is dealing with Parsons and Bosh/Deng/whoever and the Lin trade we should be signing Troy Daniels to an offer and make their life difficult, maybe they let him slide if we go a little high on the offer.

We need another dead eye shooter like Daniels. Not sure what you pay him based on 5 games of limited minutes. Probably a 2-3 year 2-3 million per year.

More generally though, the time to strike on these lesser FAs is before the big dominoes fall. Teams will want to keep their space open until they are eliminated from all the big fish. They aren'y going to tie up space matching a guy like Daniels (or other such player).

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1537 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:09 pm

I lose a lot of interest in lin if houstons first rounder is all that comes back

europa · Post #1538 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:12 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:I lose a lot of interest in lin if houstons first rounder is all that comes back

I can see the value of it and wouldn't hate it but my primary interest in Lin would be to use him as a means to dump one of the Bucks' bad contracts like Ilyasova, Mayo or Delfino. Now if a third team was interested and the Bucks dealt one of them (or more ideally) to the third team while bringing back Lin/1st I'm in for that. But adding Lin/1st and not being able to dump those 3 bad contracts holds little appeal to me. I'd rather just go with Wolters as the starting PG and look to 2015 to see if a long-term answer for the position can't be found then.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1539 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:18 pm

europa wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:I lose a lot of interest in lin if houstons first rounder is all that comes back

I can see the value of it and wouldn't hate it but my primary interest in Lin would be to use him as a means to dump one of the Bucks' bad contracts like Ilyasova, Mayo or Delfino. Now if a third team was interested and the Bucks dealt one of them (or more ideally) to the third team while bringing back Lin/1st I'm in for that. But adding Lin/1st and not being able to dump those 3 bad contracts holds little appeal to me. I'd rather just go with Wolters as the starting PG and look to 2015 to see if a long-term answer for the position can't be found then.

like lin and mayo for Gordon maybe? im not sure I follow your reasoning. youd want a longer contract back for lin if it dumped some of our junk?

europa · Post #1540 » by **europa** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:20 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
europa wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:I lose a lot of interest in lin if houstons first rounder is all that comes back

I can see the value of it and wouldn't hate it but my primary interest in Lin would be to use him as a means to dump one of the Bucks' bad contracts like Ilyasova, Mayo or Delfino. Now if a third team was interested and the Bucks dealt one of them (or more ideally) to the third team while bringing back Lin/1st I'm in for that. But adding Lin/1st and not being able to dump those 3 bad contracts holds little appeal to me. I'd rather just go with Wolters as the starting PG and look to 2015 to see if a long-term answer for the position can't be found then.

like lin and mayo for Gordon maybe? im not sure I follow your reasoning. youd want a longer contract back for lin if it dumped some of our junk?

I want to dump those 3 contracts. Ideally, I'd like to do it in a world where Lin would be coming back to the Bucks in return. But that world does not exist since Houston doesn't want to add salary. So maybe the Bucks can find a third team who would be interested in Ilaysova, Mayo and/or Delfino so they can dump one or more of those guys onto the third team while bringing back Lin/1st for themselves.

That scenario would please me greatly. But just trading for Lin/1st isn't all that appealing to me. Like I said, I wouldn't hate it but you're still left with the problem of those bad contracts you need to get rid of.