The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

A lot of people are saying stay the course. I'd like that, but with a cavate. We have room to work this season. Throw an offer to Houstin for Jones and Motiejunas. Say a second rounder or two. These guys are almost desperate to dump players for Bosh. Make a call to Chicago and try to get into the Love trade. Throw them a first or the Mo-bros for Taj and Snell or whatever they need for Love. I could see us upgrading AND getting younger. Taj is only 29 and is a double double machine as a bench player behiend Boozer. We have assets that we can use to upgrade and stay the course plus the cap room to take a contract or two for players.

Keep yo hands of my draft picks! We ain't contending, which means we're taking draft picks for contracts, thank ya much!

[King4Day]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

That's a really good idea. I haven't heard a single team linked to Marion yet. Wonder if we can get him at 2 years 10-12 mil total.

[ShawnBronald]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

That's a really good idea. I haven't heard a single team linked to Marion yet. Wonder if we can get him at 2 years 10-12 mil total.

I really wonder if he'd even be interested in returning. I thought he left on somewhat bad terms. Then again, he did get his championship, so maybe all is forgiven (at least on his end). He still has a little something left in the tank and is tailor-made to our system. I wouldn't be against it if the price were right.

[RunDogGun]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

I'm confused, you don't want to pay Tucker, but you are willing to throw huge cash at a guy close to retirement?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

That's a really good idea. I haven't heard a single team linked to Marion yet. Wonder if we can get him at 2 years 10-12 mil total.

I really wonder if he'd even be interested in returning. I thought he left on somewhat bad terms. Then again, he did get his championship, so maybe all is forgiven (at least on his end). He still has a little something left in the tank and is tailor-made to our system. I wouldn't be against it if the price were right.

I believe he mentioned he'd be open to it in a radio interview. It would be like when Thunder Dan returned for that last season at the end of his career. Good times.

[King4Day]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

I'm confused, you don't want to pay Tucker, but you are willing to throw huge cash at a guy close to retirement?

We're probably talking a difference in years.
If Tucker wants 4 years at 6-7mil per, it might be better to make a run at Marion for the same but 2 years less. Assuming he'd be willing and that's how it'd play out.

[NaturalBuns]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

That's a really good idea. I haven't heard a single team linked to Marion yet. Wonder if we can get him at 2 years 10-12 mil total.

We might need that 5-6mil next year though and the only way to dump it would be to give away a asset.
I dont think you understand what I meant.

Say if Marion price tag is 4-5mil annually and he's 35 looking at his final contract to earn nba dollars why not give him 1 year 8-9million dollar deal.

1)it keeps the suns flexible for next year
2) Marion has the incentive to take the offer he's getting paid 8-9mil in one year in what he would get in two years with any other team. (He's not gonna turn that down)

Because...
3) it let's him get into another contract possibly the following year
4) he stables the suns and we don't take a big hit losing tucker for the following year.

[NaturalBuns]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

I'm confused, you don't want to pay Tucker, but you are willing to throw huge cash at a guy close to retirement?

Idk what McD is doing this is if we are just going to fill the minimum cap level and regroup next year with all the assets we own. Instead of throwing a large portion of money on multi year deals that may or may not make us bettter

[so_nashty]

That's a really good idea. I haven't heard a single team linked to Marion yet. Wonder if we can get him at 2 years 10-12 mil total.

I really wonder if he'd even be interested in returning. I thought he left on somewhat bad terms. Then again, he did get his championship, so maybe all is forgiven (at least on his end). He still has a little something left in the tank and is tailor-made to our system. I wouldn't be against it if the price were right.

I believe he mentioned he'd be open to it in a radio interview. It would be like when Thunder Dan returned for that last season at the end of his career. Good times.

That would be a great way for him to retire too. He's one of the greatest Suns and it would be a fitting way for him to go out. Plus I could break out my Marion jersey again.

He could still give us quality minutes, especially for someone under a 2 yr $10-12 mil deal if that's what we signed him for.

[NaturalBuns]

If it's multiple years forget it you pay tucker.
Gotta give him that fat one year deal

[King4Day]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

That's a really good idea. I haven't heard a single team linked to Marion yet. Wonder if we can get him at 2 years 10-12 mil total.

We might need that 5-6mil next year though and the only way to dump it would be to give away a asset.
I dont think you understand what I meant.

Say if Marion price tag is 4-5mil annually and he's 35 looking at his final contract to earn nba dollars why not give him 1 year 8-9million dollar deal.

1)it keeps the suns flexible for next year
2) Marion has the incentive to take the offer he's getting paid 8-9mil in one year in what he would get in two years with any other team. (He's not gonna turn that down)

Because...
3) it let's him get into another contract possibly the following year
4) he stables the suns and we don't take a big hit losing tucker for the following year.

Ahh I see. Still a good call. That would also allow Warren to be mentored by Marion for the year.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Ahh I see. Still a good call. That would also allow Warren to be mentored by Marion for the year.

Hard to teach others how to turn into Stretch Armstrong

[RunDogGun]

if PJ does become super expensive lets push hard for Marion.
Just pay him what he would make on a 2 year deal with a one year contract that way he has incentive to take it cash out and still renew another contract before he retires.

I'm confused, you don't want to pay Tucker, but you are willing to throw huge cash at a guy close to retirement?

We're probably talking a difference in years.
If Tucker wants 4 years at 6-7mil per, it might be better to make a run at Marion for the same but 2 years less. Assuming he'd be willing and that's how it'd play out.

Is that really what Tucker is reported to get? And he(nbuns) said he wanted to pay a two year salary for a one year contract

[ShawnBronald]

For everyone panicking about our lack of moves or potential bad forthcoming moves, can we start making shirts with this image to ease concerns?

[nevetsov]

I'd just love to see Kevin Love ripping down 14rpg and lobbing the outlets to Dragić for the one man fast break. That'd be a thing of absolute beauty. I don't even care if if costs us Bledsoe anymore.

If it works, you extend them both as alpha and bravo. If It doesn't, they both expire and you reset with the Ennis/Goodwin/Warren/Len core.

[Frank Lee]

I'm with you Nevs, but I believe a three way with Bled is the only way that happens.may be Detroit would part with Monroe for EB... Would Monroe and a couple firsts be adequate for Minny?

Nice breakdown on Marion Nbuns... Great fall back and punt plan... Knowwhadimsayin would be given a starting spot and would be soundly welcomed and likely productive.

I think all skeptical talk of Len and Plum should really be turned around to a very positive outlook in the Post. we'll see 20+ minutes from each. I look for a good season from both... Plum was a bit overwhelmed during the second half... But it was valuable experience. . And Len is a monster. 7'1" with a 7'4" span :-0. Active and mobile and what looks like 20+ lbs of muscle ??? Plus he's got a nasty streak and a soft touch...

I think many of you are sleeping on him.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Regarding Monroe, unless he's a solid rebounder, I want no part of him. I'd rather just re-sign Kieff next year.
Getting Monroe means Kieff is 100% gone as we're not paying the max to two decent big men.

wtf? did you just imply some team giving Markieff Morris a max contract? LOL

[King4Day]

Regarding Monroe, unless he's a solid rebounder, I want no part of him. I'd rather just re-sign Kieff next year.
Getting Monroe means Kieff is 100% gone as we're not paying the max to two decent big men.

wtf? did you just imply some team giving Markieff Morris a max contract? LOL

Assuming he starts and plays at or better than the level of last year, why is it hard to believe some team will try it? Are Hayward or Parsons anything close to a max deal? Even Bledsoe.

He's going to get 8 figured unless he regresses. For a team to get him from us, they'd have to overpay.

[Kjdills13]

Why don't we sign and lockup Dragic THIS YEAR. Sell him on the fact he will make 8 million more this year so we can discount the rest of the contract.

5 year 55 million same as Lowry

1st year 15 million
Next 4 at 10

It's essential to a 4 year 13 million dollars a year contract bc he will make 8 more this year than his current contract. He's happy then we are happy bc we grt Dragic at 10 mill for 4 more years

[King4Day]

I'm with you Nevs, but I believe a three way with Bled is the only way that happens.may be Detroit would part with Monroe for EB... Would Monroe and a couple firsts be adequate for Minny?

Nice breakdown on Marion Nbuns... Great fall back and punt plan... Knowwhadimsayin would be given a starting spot and would be soundly welcomed and likely productive.

I think all skeptical talk of Len and Plum should really be turned around to a very positive outlook in the Post. we'll see 20+ minutes from each. I look for a good season from both... Plum was a bit overwhelmed during the second half... But it was valuable experience. . And Len is a monster. 7'1" with a 7'4" span :-0. Active and mobile and what looks like 20+ lbs of muscle ??? Plus he's got a nasty streak and a soft touch...

I think many of you are sleeping on him.

It's funny how I read some peoples take on last years draft. I agree it was certainly not the best but the names we hear are Olynyk, Oladipo, Noel.
I'm cautiously optimistic that both of our rookies, at the very least, will be serviceable NBA players. 5 years from now when they do the '2013 redraft', both of those guys could be seen as lottery picks.