The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[BobbieL]

That is a huge sign, that's the suns have no intention of improving this year. That would be the only reason they would overpay him in the first year.

Well late lottery pick here we come again. This is getting old.

Mate look at who is still available (legit impact players) and how much cap space we have. There is no one player that is going to come in and turn this team into a contender. Next season with how PJ's contract is set up, we would have more money to give to Dragic and other FA's (Love?).
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Stop crying about this signing and look at the bigger picture.

I hear ya. But you also have to see my prospective. I have been going to games since the 80s, I'm not getting any younger. I've heard that nonsense for a long time about developing a young team. Developing a young team ONLY works if you have a superstar in place. If you have a shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Durant. Than yes, by all means develop. But if you don't have a superstar in place, basically all you are developing is trade assets.


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I agree that the Suns need a superstar. I just am not sure this offseason it was going to happen. Granted, I think Ryan would have parted with Dragic or Bledsoe to get love - but Minnesota has to agree; Bledsoe has to agree, there are cap numbers, etc

I don't love the Tucker deal. But if the Suns are patient - they can work a team like Ainge worked Cleveland for cap space

End of the day, I am okay with PJ Tucker signing but if Ryan McD had found some guy on a one year deal for 5m to keep cap space, next summer, I would have got that too

[King4Day]

Everyone is free to their opinion but I haven't read one good reason why this was a bad move.

It is a bad move because it shows the Suns front office is more concerned with simply making the playoffs than they are about building for a contending team in the future. If Tucker were not resigned, Green could have slid to the starting small forward spot, opening up minutes for Archie at SG and Marcus at SF. We are a rebuilding team, why do we need PJ Tucker's old ass starting? Oh wait, the Suns just want to win as many games as possible with their gimmick run and gun system. Screw developing young talent! Why do that when you can be mediocre and let PJ Tucker be your starter again.

Like I said, everyone is free to their opinion. There were no free agents out there who we could have gotten to bring us to the next level (unless the 'next level' includes simply making the playoffs).

Trading Frye gives Kieff a chance to start and prove whether he'll be a star or just another role player.
We have a cheap core and we'll slowly weed out who could be a part of a potential real contender or who can't.
The way we're being built is smart.

I will take issue if we sign Thomas though (without shipping anyone else out).

[bwgood77]

That is a huge sign, that's the suns have no intention of improving this year. That would be the only reason they would overpay him in the first year.

Well late lottery pick here we come again. This is getting old.

Mate look at who is still available (legit impact players) and how much cap space we have. There is no one player that is going to come in and turn this team into a contender. Next season with how PJ's contract is set up, we would have more money to give to Dragic and other FA's (Love?).

Stop crying about this signing and look at the bigger picture.

I hear ya. But you also have to see my prospective. I have been going to games since the 80s, I'm not getting any younger. I've heard that nonsense for a long time about developing a young team. Developing a young team ONLY works if you have a superstar in place. If you have a shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Durant. Than yes, by all means develop. But if you don't have a superstar in place, basically all you are developing is trade assets.


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Oh, nobody told you? TJ Warren is our young superstar. People all crazy over Jabari Parker all year and Duke this, Duke that.....and TJ Warren still takes Conf player of the year over him by carrying a crap team all by himself to the tourney. BELIEVE

[Scutt]

He's supposed to be a key part of a championship team.

Bingo!!! Too bad the Suns are NOT a championship team, so we should have had no business bringing PJ Tucker back. This Suns organization is so desperate to be mediocre it's not even funny anymore. They are going to go all out trying to get in the playoffs, ignore their young prospects, and end up somewhere in the 9th through 11th seed.

You don't become a championship team without championship players. There is a reason the magic spent 30 plus on frye and it's not to help them win a championship this year. At some point you gotta stop stockpiling youth. You may think the 76ers model is the way to go but unless embiid turns out to be Hakeem that team is gonna break up before they learn how to win. Thunder are the only team I've seen become title contenders just stockpiling youth and letting them grow. And they had the greatest 4 year draft stretch of all time probably. (Durant-Westbrook-harden-Ibaka)

By the time the Suns are legitimately competing for championships, do you really think PJ Tucker will still be around? If so, he certainly wont be in his prime. Why do so many people on this board think you need to get all your role players in place BEFORE you have a star? That is the most backwards logic I have ever heard. You get a star and then you get role players that fit with that superstar. We don't need to have veteran role players (like PJ Tucker) locked up before we have a superstar, by doing so, we are almost guaranteeing ourselves to being mediocre. I guess you have never watched the Spurs in the last 1o years then because they did it the right way. They got their superstar in Tim Duncan and then found great pieces to fit around him, not the other way around like you seem to suggest the Suns should be doing...

[Sunsdeuce]

Mate look at who is still available (legit impact players) and how much cap space we have. There is no one player that is going to come in and turn this team into a contender. Next season with how PJ's contract is set up, we would have more money to give to Dragic and other FA's (Love?).

Stop crying about this signing and look at the bigger picture.

I hear ya. But you also have to see my prospective. I have been going to games since the 80s, I'm not getting any younger. I've heard that nonsense for a long time about developing a young team. Developing a young team ONLY works if you have a superstar in place. If you have a shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Durant. Than yes, by all means develop. But if you don't have a superstar in place, basically all you are developing is trade assets.


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Oh, nobody told you? TJ Warren is our young superstar. People all crazy over Jabari Parker all year and Duke this, Duke that.....and TJ Warren still takes Conf player of the year over him by carrying a crap team all by himself to the tourney. BELIEVE

Lol, no, wasn't told that. Makes me feel better.


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[KLEON]

GUYS STOP THE MITCHING PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

[Ryu]

Logged in just to see Sunsdeuce's reaction. Was well worth it!

Seriously, that guy is like a broken record. Bitching and complaining day after day.

[LukasBMW]

I want Dragic and Tucker to be part of our team when we get back in the playoffs.

We couldn't lose both Tucker and Frye. Frye's contact could be a huge burden (especially with his previous medical condition). Tucker's contract is fair. Good choice Suns.

[iLLmatic3]

Pass on the 5'9 thomas you don't win championships with little people running around

Patty Mills says hi.

Another Isiah Thomas says hi.

[Lespaul]

If Frye is worth 8 mil, I don't have any problem with Tucker at 5.5. Suns fans always underrate good defense. The SSOL era should be a constant reminder of how important defense is. If you can't catch the big fish in free agency (we can't) then it's all about not blowing your future on the guys that are good but not stars (Deng). Remember how many people wanted Josh Smith in a Suns uniform. lol.

It's about getting good value signings and drafting well. Take a page out of SAs book.

[Sunsdeuce]

Logged in just to see Sunsdeuce's reaction. Was well worth it!

Seriously, that guy is like a broken record. Bitching and complaining day after day.

So go post on bright side of the sun! It's called a forum smart guy.


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[lilfishi22]

I hear ya. But you also have to see my prospective. I have been going to games since the 80s, I'm not getting any younger. I've heard that nonsense for a long time about developing a young team. Developing a young team ONLY works if you have a superstar in place. If you have a shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Durant. Than yes, by all means develop. But if you don't have a superstar in place, basically all you are developing is trade assets.

There's no question you need a superstar (or close to it) if you want to compete but when there are no options in free agency, you keep your guys and develop your young team. We are doing exactly what Babby and McD said they would do when McD was hired, we would develop our young guys, collect assets, preserve cap flexibility and be ready to take on a superstar when one becomes available. Lebron came and went and now we'll wait for the next star to be available. In the mean time, we should be developing our young guys and stay competitive.

[Cutter]

Not a bad signing at all. Could have been much worse.

It's hard to hate hard nosed players that do the dirty work out there. Hopefully it rubs off on Warren as I really do think this kid is going to be a big part of our future and our starting 3 for many years down the road.

Interested in seeing some extra acquisitions (and assets) added to our solid core. Thomas as a backup PG would be pretty deadly. Huge upgrade over Ish. I imagine it would give us options for trades obviously as well.

If we get Thomas it means Kieff will become the starting PF and Thomas will be the spark plug off the bench. He'll take most of the bench shots and score most of the bench points, similar to what Kieff did last year.

[Qwigglez]

Hearing that Tucker's contract has 3.8mil not guaranteed is good. Might make a valuable trade chip later. Still not overly stoked, I hope he mentors TJ Warren well.
Can Tucker be effective in 24 minutes a game or less?

[so_nashty]

Whether you like PJ or not, he does so much more than we realize. Between practices, plane rides and the locker room, he's one of those glue guys. I love the deal personally. I think we got him for a great price too.

I'm glad ur glad. I've been watching basketball for 30 plus years. Seen 100 Tucker's come and go. My retort to you is, he does less than you realize. He is a poor mans SF version of Bo Outlaw.

Moot point.

I have to suffer for three more years of this guy and I have no choice.


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He does less than I realize? Doesn't make sense, but I'll humor you for witty conversation-sake. I went to every home game last year and didn't miss a road game on tv. PJ is one of my favorite players on the team so I'm familiar with his contributions. If he was more of an offensive force, his deal would have beem worth more $ but he isn't so it wasn't. He's basically a corner 3 / occasional slasher to the basket type guy and definitely has room to improve on offense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he get votes for the defensive player of the year this year? All things considered I like the deal.

Kinda off topic, but I think they're related in a roundabout kinda way. If you had to pick between Channing and PJ, who would you rather lose? I think the Suns made the smart move between the two. (Sorry for the late response, was driving home from work....stupid traffic)

[iLLmatic3]

A GIF is worth a thousand words. That's why we resigned PJ Tucker.

[Qwigglez]

Not a bad signing at all. Could have been much worse.

It's hard to hate hard nosed players that do the dirty work out there. Hopefully it rubs off on Warren as I really do think this kid is going to be a big part of our future and our starting 3 for many years down the road.

Interested in seeing some extra acquisitions (and assets) added to our solid core. Thomas as a backup PG would be pretty deadly. Huge upgrade over Ish. I imagine it would give us options for trades obviously as well.

If we get Thomas it means Kieff will become the starting PF and Thomas will be the spark plug off the bench. He'll take most of the bench shots and score most of the bench points, similar to what Kieff did last year.

Thomas and Green can be huge spark plugs for us off the bench.

[bwgood77]

By the time the Suns are legitimately competing for championships, do you really think PJ Tucker will still be around? If so, he certainly wont be in his prime. Why do so many people on this board think you need to get all your role players in place BEFORE you have a star? That is the most backwards logic I have ever heard. You get a star and then you get role players that fit with that superstar. We don't need to have veteran role players (like PJ Tucker) locked up before we have a superstar, by doing so, we are almost guaranteeing ourselves to being mediocre. I guess you have never watched the Spurs in the last 1o years then because they did it the right way. They got their superstar in Tim Duncan and then found great pieces to fit around him, not the other way around like you seem to suggest the Suns should be doing...

Who's to say we are not going to develop our star from within? And who's to say Tucker wouldn't have a big influence on this person...the hard work it takes to make it in the nba...the little things you have to know, etc. Hornacek probably loves Tucker because he works SO hard like Hornacek had to because he wasn't as athletically and physically gifted as most nba players. Examples like this are a HUGE factor for players like Goodwin, Ennis, Warren, Len, etc.

[Qwigglez]

the key thing is - PJs third year is not guaranteed. its front loaded. and good teams DO need role players

the offseason is not done

lets give Ryan some time - as long as Sarver writes the checks and doesn't panic and think we need to sign a bunch of dudes with 30m of cap space - Suns are fine

Didn't hear anything about it being frontloaded. Heard 3.8mil of his final year in his contract is not guaranteed, essentially being a team option.

[lilfishi22]

By the time the Suns are legitimately competing for championships, do you really think PJ Tucker will still be around? If so, he certainly wont be in his prime. Why do so many people on this board think you need to get all your role players in place BEFORE you have a star? That is the most backwards logic I have ever heard. You get a star and then you get role players that fit with that superstar. We don't need to have veteran role players (like PJ Tucker) locked up before we have a superstar, by doing so, we are almost guaranteeing ourselves to being mediocre. I guess you have never watched the Spurs in the last 1o years then because they did it the right way. They got their superstar in Tim Duncan and then found great pieces to fit around him, not the other way around like you seem to suggest the Suns should be doing...

Alright, let's not sign anyone, or keep the guys the made us a 48 win team in the West and sit on our hands until a superstar signs with the Suns.

Talking about guaranteeing mediocrity.