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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1721 » by MrPerfect1 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:15 am

mlloyd10 wrote:If we want PR, I'd rather give Allen 9mil and be done with it



I can top that.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1722 » by LedZepp007 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:32 am

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Eric Bledsoe's assist percentage last year was 22.6, lower than any year of Sessions. Not saying Sessions is a better player, but he is a better passer. I think Sessions is a good player and if the bucks didn't already have a veteran presence on their team, he'd be a good re-sign. But I think it's not the right time for the Bucks. Payton would have been ideal.


Dude, give up. Learn how to look at advanced stats.


First of all, we're not in the 60s anymore, so come up with something better than "dude".

Second of all, every time someone comes up with an opinion you use the words "advanced stats" as if that automatically makes your argument. I was responding to a post that listed Sessions declining assist percentage and I gave Bledsoe's assist percentage. Simple as that. Now my guess is that if my post was one that said how great Bledsoe was, you wouldn't have given your"dude" response. So put your statistical arrogance on hold and as they'd say in the 60s, "chill out".


Try making a reasonable argument instead of using PPG, APG, RPG, and Assist percentage. Try WARP, adjusted +/-, et al.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1723 » by yoshii8 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:36 am

So, why don't people want Isaiah Thomas? Is it just because he's short? He seems like a pretty impressive player. And it wouldn't take a max offer to get him.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1724 » by worthlessBucks » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:41 am

yoshii8 wrote:So, why don't people want Isaiah Thomas? Is it just because he's short? He seems like a pretty impressive player. And it wouldn't take a max offer to get him.

I'd be cool with him. He's a quality, productive offensive player. He's more of a scorer than distributor though and his size on defense makes him a liability. I'd roll with him if we have to sign somebody.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1725 » by mlloyd10 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:52 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/espnSteveLevy/status/487427927655858176[/tweet]

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1726 » by JayMKE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:54 am

You ninnies are too afraid of signing or trading for anyone, as long as it doesn't mean giving up our future development then it doesn't matter or hurt anything. I don't think we're top 5 bad and could be out of the top 10 right now even, this year being is likely our last time in the lottery for awhile too if our young guys are who we hope they are. I'm not going to pin my hopes and dreams to being bad enough to get another top pick next season.

I'm down for Bledsoe for sure and Wade? I think it's pretty silly to even worry about Wade signing here since I seriously doubt he is going to want to spend the twilight of his career toiling away on a non-contender but if for any reason he did then it would be the biggest PR coup in the history of the team. The Bucks would be put on the radar of sports fans all around the country and it would elevate the status of the Bucks in this state so much at a team when this team needs it the most when trying to secure a new arena. Wade is still a pretty damn good player, he aint Lebron and his body has seen better days but he can still go at an elite level from time to time. I think having him around our young players providing leadership and sharing his basketball knowledge could only help us going forward, if we're good enough to make the playoffs with him then we weren't that bad in the first place or he's way better than people are giving him credit for. Jabari and Giannis experiencing and being big contributors on a playoff team won't hurt their development and anybody who thinks we can be some awful top 5 team for multiple years going forward with a)Jabari/Giannis not being busts or b)anybody of worth wanting to actually stay here when this tanking is over is straight up crazy.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1727 » by SkilesTheLimit » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:56 am

mlloyd10 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/espnSteveLevy/status/487427927655858176[/tweet]

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1728 » by GrandAdmiralDan » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:56 am

mlloyd10 wrote:I really hate Gery....Says bucks potential working on a deal centered around Hibbert for Sanders


Hmm. That's disturbing. A few days ago, I actually heard something along these lines as well from someone else. That person has had some information pan out in the past, but I'd rate the overall track record as far from solid. I don't like hearing this rumor pop up AGAIN.

Supposedly the discussion was Sanders/Mayo for Hibbert/Scola.

I'm 100% against this deal unless Hibbert would be going to a 3rd team netting us a decent 1st round pick, or a talented player with 1-2 years experience.

What gives me pause as to whether or not there might be something to this rumor would be Scola's inclusion. Scola's salary is only partially guaranteed. I'm not 100% on what the exact amount is, due to some ambiguous incentives, but I believe it is in the $941k range. Doing this trade and waiving Scola might be the precursor to freeing up enough cap space to write a max offer sheet to Eric Bledsoe.

I believe that would be a very unfortunate series of events. But it is possible.

Sanders himself is already older than ideal to be part of a core with Giannis and Jabari. Hibbert is 2 years older than Sanders. This is not something we should be doing...
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1729 » by JayMKE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:58 am

Hibbert straight up couldn't play with this team, he'd be an awful fit on the court. He'd be a downgrade talent wise from Sanders in my opinion.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1730 » by AussieBuck » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:59 am

Pre-menopause Hibbert would have been nice but that guy wouldn't be on the table.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1731 » by Matches Malone » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:03 am

In a system where Kidd likes to have a fast pace, up tempo game plan, I really can't fathom seeing Hibbert working well on our team. I'm hoping this is a rumor that might have been in the works a month ago and is dead but just now getting leaked. Sanders is a much better fit on this roster moving forward.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1732 » by BigO » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:03 am

LedZepp007 wrote:
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Dude, give up. Learn how to look at advanced stats.


First of all, we're not in the 60s anymore, so come up with something better than "dude".

Second of all, every time someone comes up with an opinion you use the words "advanced stats" as if that automatically makes your argument. I was responding to a post that listed Sessions declining assist percentage and I gave Bledsoe's assist percentage. Simple as that. Now my guess is that if my post was one that said how great Bledsoe was, you wouldn't have given your"dude" response. So put your statistical arrogance on hold and as they'd say in the 60s, "chill out".


Try making a reasonable argument instead of using PPG, APG, RPG, and Assist percentage. Try WARP, adjusted +/-, et al.

Dude is a timeless expression, dude.


George Karl was on ESPN yesterday and went over why he likes certain players and used every one of those "unreasonable" statistics in his analysis. Now I know you know more than George Karl, but I think it is still reasonable to use rebounds, assists, turnovers, assist percentage and other "unreasonable" stats in looking at a player.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1733 » by SkilesTheLimit » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:04 am

What's crazy is I think (good) Larry Sanders fits in so well with Giannis and Parker. Sanders elite defensive ability masks some of Parker's weaknesses on that end of the court and allows a run-and-gun offense because of his athleticism and ability to get up and down the court.

A prodding Roy Hibbert does nothing to help this team.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1734 » by breakchains » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:06 am

This whole Phoenix courting Isiah is pretty interesting considering the assumption that they match Bledsoe, drafted Ennis, and their best player was Dragic. Something's got to give there. Most likely a move of Ennis.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1735 » by TroyD92 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:07 am

I think Sanders last year has more value than Roy Hibbert. Dude's a bum.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1736 » by JayMKE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:08 am

I've never liked Hibbert as a player, he's super stiff and soft. Dude is inefficient offensively and despite his monstrous size is a pretty bad rebounder, he's mentally weak and paid way too much. I don't think he does anything better than Sanders. Hibbert had a good playoff series against the Heat a few years ago but they literally had nobody that could match up with him, he got his max contract based on that and I don't think he could ever replicate that again. Our team is a young and athletic, the opposite of Hibbert. He'd literally hold our team back.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#1737 » by emunney » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:09 am

GrandAdmiralDan wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:I really hate Gery....Says bucks potential working on a deal centered around Hibbert for Sanders


Hmm. That's disturbing. A few days ago, I actually heard something along these lines as well from someone else. That person has had some information pan out in the past, but I'd rate the overall track record as far from solid. I don't like hearing this rumor pop up AGAIN.

Supposedly the discussion was Sanders/Mayo for Hibbert/Scola.

I'm 100% against this deal unless Hibbert would be going to a 3rd team netting us a decent 1st round pick, or a talented player with 1-2 years experience.

What gives me pause as to whether or not there might be something to this rumor would be Scola's inclusion. Scola's salary is only partially guaranteed. I'm not 100% on what the exact amount is, due to some ambiguous incentives, but I believe it is in the $941k range. Doing this trade and waiving Scola might be the precursor to freeing up enough cap space to write a max offer sheet to Eric Bledsoe.

I believe that would be a very unfortunate series of events. But it is possible.

Sanders himself is already older than ideal to be part of a core with Giannis and Jabari. Hibbert is 2 years older than Sanders. This is not something we should be doing...


For me, the worst part about trading Sanders for Hibbert is the stylistic clash. We're putting together a young up and down team and are going to trade one of the best running bigs in the league for one of the worst?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1738 » by On_Wisconsin » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:10 am

I mean Wade would be really meh. It won't happen.

Anybody do Henson for Ennis and Bogdanovic? I'd do it personally


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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1739 » by ampd » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:11 am

AussieBuck wrote:Pre-menopause Hibbert would have been nice but that guy wouldn't be on the table.


And Scola? I mean he's not bad, but we'd be trading for another PF?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1740 » by cinematographer » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:12 am

IS THERE ACTUALLY SOMETHING TO THE SANDERS FOR HIBBERT MOVE?

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