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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2081 » by [MIKE C] » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:18 pm

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Supposedly the Heat wouldn't have room to offer Bledsoe the max?


Nor do the Heat have the assets to do a S&T. They've literally got nothing to offer. No players to offer. No picks. Their 2015 first rounder is going to Cleveland.

Bucks are the logical team for this if they'd give up Knight and Henson. PHX still may say no, but I think they think about it at least.


Why don't the Heat have room to offer the max? I think they will once Wade signs. They haven't actually signed anybody else yet. Their roster right now is Bosh and Norris Cole.


I think the author was speculating an offer coming after other players have signed. At least it looks like she was trying to factor in the Wade and Haslem contracts when coming to that conclusion.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2082 » by Matches Malone » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:28 pm

If we were to do a sign and trade for Bledsoe, I kinda hope we can keep Knight. I think he's a very effective off-ball scoring option for this team. Then again, I like him more than most on here. Maybe we could somehow get them to agree on an Ilyasova+Mayo deal. I'd even throw in Henson (Hesitantly) if it helped our chances. Just please no draft picks.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2083 » by Buckrageous » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:34 pm

This is the team I see competing in the East in 2 seasons:
TBD / Wolters
TBD / Knight /
Giannis / Middleton
Parker / Henson / Inglis? Obryant?
Sanders / Henson

If a guy is good enough (Bledsoe) to fill one of those TBD slots on a contending team going forward Im all for it. Otherwise build through the draft. If they are confident in Bledsoes health throw him the max and see what happens. If Pheonix matches just stand pat and try to fill one of those holes with a Lotto pick next year.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2084 » by SupremeHustle » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:07 pm

Buckrageous wrote:This is the team I see competing in the East in 2 seasons:
TBD / Wolters
TBD / Knight /
Giannis / Middleton
Parker / Henson / Inglis? Obryant?
Sanders / Henson

If a guy is good enough (Bledsoe) to fill one of those TBD slots on a contending team going forward Im all for it. Otherwise build through the draft. If they are confident in Bledsoes health throw him the max and see what happens. If Pheonix matches just stand pat and try to fill one of those holes with a Lotto pick next year.


Inglis is a 2/3 isn't he?
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2085 » by theFireBlanket » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:12 pm

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Buckrageous wrote:This is the team I see competing in the East in 2 seasons:
TBD / Wolters
TBD / Knight /
Giannis / Middleton
Parker / Henson / Inglis? Obryant?
Sanders / Henson

If a guy is good enough (Bledsoe) to fill one of those TBD slots on a contending team going forward Im all for it. Otherwise build through the draft. If they are confident in Bledsoes health throw him the max and see what happens. If Pheonix matches just stand pat and try to fill one of those holes with a Lotto pick next year.


Inglis is a 2/3 isn't he?


Yep. Capable of playing the 4 but says those are his positions. I think it's safe to say that the Bucks win last night's SL game if he was on the floor with Nate, Giannis, Johnny, & Jabari.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2086 » by Buckrageous » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:23 pm

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Buckrageous wrote:This is the team I see competing in the East in 2 seasons:
TBD / Wolters
TBD / Knight /
Giannis / Middleton
Parker / Henson / Inglis? Obryant?
Sanders / Henson

If a guy is good enough (Bledsoe) to fill one of those TBD slots on a contending team going forward Im all for it. Otherwise build through the draft. If they are confident in Bledsoes health throw him the max and see what happens. If Pheonix matches just stand pat and try to fill one of those holes with a Lotto pick next year.


Inglis is a 2/3 isn't he?

I thought more of a 3/4 when I poster that. Could be wrong, dont know anything about him that wasnt on a DX scouting video.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2087 » by bucksbrewers3 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:36 pm

Couple things I took from this game 1 Giannis still can't create separation for his shot but he looks to have improved his shot and noticeably added weight. 2 Parker is going to be very efficient on offense. Would like to see him in post ups more
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2088 » by Bernman » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:36 pm

Buckrageous wrote:I thought more of a 3/4 when I poster that. Could be wrong, dont know anything about him that wasnt on a DX scouting video.


He doesn't look quite his measurements of 6'8.5 and 240, but either way his movement is similar to that of a swingman, so he'd be an anomaly. Sometimes he even looks like a blown up point guard. I'd say he projects to be a 3/2 much more than 4. He's evocative of Thabo Sefolosha when he was coming out of Europe (hopefully Inglis develops his jumper much better than he did).

Hammond has done a really good job of acquiring anomalies like Giannis, Parker, Inglis, and Sanders. Sanders' movement often times looks like that of a 3 with his knee bend and core. With a lot of his picks here, I see what Hammond's influence on the Pistons was, or their influence on him. Because the Wallaces and Prince were really anomalies as well.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2089 » by BUCKSFORLIFE » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:44 pm

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BUCKSFORLIFE wrote:You and Baddy must be the same people. You cant counter any points, just silly insults. If you watched any of the Bucks games after Ramon was put in the starting rotation he look really good. He costs 4-5 million per season and has no baggage. Tell me why the bucks should spend 12 million + for the same type player who is only 3 years younger?


I can counter your points pretty easily....

a) 3 years would be a pretty big age difference for a rebuilding team. But it's actually closer to 4 years difference. Pretty easy to spot bias when there's convenient rounding of numbers.

b) they aren't the same type of player really. Bledsoe is known for his outstanding defense, whereas that's a weakness for Ramon. Ramon is also more ball dominating as an offensive player.

c) even if they were the same type of player, Bledsoe is much better in that style then. Bledsoe had a Roland Rating of +4.6, Sessions +0.9 and +0.4.

That's why we should be willing to pay much more for Bledsoe. He moves the needle, Sessions does not. And we are in position to acquire potential needle movers as we are assembling a core. Decent players like Sessions will only hinder the Bucks' chances of doing that thru lowering their draft pick, so he'd actually have negative value for a team in the Bucks' situation. Signing Bledsoe on the other hand would be like drafting an older top 5 pick.


A Lets not splt hairs here. Ramon is 3.5 years older. However since Bledsoe has had two significant injuries already I'd say that puts their bodies closer in time in terms of age.

B. Ramon was much imprvoed his defense and I dont thik Bledsoe is that far ahead of him. Bldedsoe is a shoot first guy so on offense it s wash. Ramon is a better FT shooter and Bledsoe is proably a step quicker. The both shoot from perimeter the same and both know how to score inside. Ramon howver has averaged as high as 9 assists per page in his career. Dont see that passing ability in Bledsoe.

C. While you see him as another great young piece. I see him as too much of risk to put nearly 1/4 of the teams Salary cap into one players who has had two major injuries already. There has been no other teams who has offered him a big contract yet. I wonder why that is? Maybe they have same thoughts as I do.
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Post#2090 » by TroyD92 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:08 pm

So give a bunch of scrubs middling contracts. Oh wait we've done that for 20 years.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2091 » by theFireBlanket » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:16 pm

BUCKSFORLIFE wrote:Ramon howver has averaged as high as 9 assists per page in his career.


But as time has gone on he continues to assist less. I was a huge fan of him in his first years as a Milwaukee Buck, especially year 1.

*But the way that he ran the point last year was only nice to watch in that it was better than watching Knight, especially in his first set of games. That went to the wayside, in favor of play that seemed indicative of chasing a contract. I don't care what the coaches orders were about driving, he overlooked a lot of passes that he seemed capable of making.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2092 » by JoeJohnson2two » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:35 pm

BUCKSFORLIFE wrote:Ramon was much imprvoed his defense and I dont thik Bledsoe is that far ahead of him.

Bledsoe is infinitely better than Ramon defensively. They aren't even in the same stratosphere.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2093 » by Bernman » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:37 pm

BUCKSFORLIFE wrote:A Lets not splt hairs here. Ramon is 3.5 years older. However since Bledsoe has had two significant injuries already I'd say that puts their bodies closer in time in terms of age.

B. Ramon was much imprvoed his defense and I dont thik Bledsoe is that far ahead of him. Bldedsoe is a shoot first guy so on offense it s wash. Ramon is a better FT shooter and Bledsoe is proably a step quicker. The both shoot from perimeter the same and both know how to score inside. Ramon howver has averaged as high as 9 assists per page in his career. Dont see that passing ability in Bledsoe.

C. While you see him as another great young piece. I see him as too much of risk to put nearly 1/4 of the teams Salary cap into one players who has had two major injuries already. There has been no other teams who has offered him a big contract yet. I wonder why that is? Maybe they have same thoughts as I do.


Sessions is 28, and Bledsoe 24. And there is closer to 4 years between their birthdates than 3, so you knew what you were doing there.

Bledsoe is a much better defender according to pretty much every advanced metric. Much better xrapm, dws, etc. If you watch them, there is a drastic difference in their foot-speed and awareness on and off the ball.

And he actually posted a slightly higher assist-rate this season. That's in spite of playing next to Dragic and not being the ball dominator type point that Sessions or Knight are. I mean you could even watch highlight videos from games and tell that. He does everything quickly from shoot to pass, so he's not eating precious shot clock, committing pseudo to's by doing so. If he handled the ball longer, and dumped it off to teammates at the end of the clock like some, he'd increase his assist totals greatly, but at the expense of his teammates. It's a myth that all pg's with lowish assist rates are not good floor generals. Some, like Bledsoe, are helping their team by having a lowish assist total. If you're going to ball dominate you better have crazy assist totals like Paul and Nash, not still a pedestrian assist total like Sessions and Knight.

He's just the much better overall player than what we had last year at this point, and still has upside to boot.

So offering a contract to Bledsoe at the max, in comparison to even Sessions at the minimum, would be a better move because the former actually is probably a needle mover while the latter surely isn't, unless we're talking about it moving in the wrong direction.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2094 » by Buckrageous » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:40 pm

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Buckrageous wrote:I thought more of a 3/4 when I poster that. Could be wrong, dont know anything about him that wasnt on a DX scouting video.


He doesn't look quite his measurements of 6'8.5 and 240, but either way his movement is similar to that of a swingman, so he'd be an anomaly. Sometimes he even looks like a blown up point guard. I'd say he projects to be a 3/2 much more than 4. He's evocative of Thabo Sefolosha when he was coming out of Europe (hopefully Inglis develops his jumper much better than he did).

Hammond has done a really good job of acquiring anomalies like Giannis, Parker, Inglis, and Sanders. Sanders' movement often times looks like that of a 3 with his knee bend and core. With a lot of his picks here, I see what Hammond's influence on the Pistons was, or their influence on him. Because the Wallaces and Prince were really anomalies as well.

Like I said my knowledge of him is limited. Just looking at him in the videos Ive seen he looks like a young guy with a frame to get bigger and when he fills out would be better off defending 4's than 2's. Either way, I hope he develops somehwere.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2095 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:47 pm

Sessions shot 28% from three last season. Bledsoe shot 36% on twice as many attempts per game. Similar shooting.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2096 » by mattg » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:47 pm

My favorite rationale is that Bledsoe "is probably a step quicker" than sessions. Sessions is an average athlete while Bledsoe is in the Westbrook/wall category of freakish athletes.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2097 » by Buckrageous » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:49 pm

mattg wrote:My favorite rationale is that Bledsoe "is probably a step quicker" than sessions. Sessions is an average athlete while Bledsoe is in the Westbrook/wall category of freakish athletes.

Also, being "a step quicker" is huge.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2098 » by jakecronus8 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:07 pm

While I think Bledsoe is vastly overrated here, calling him a similar player to sessions is a huge insult.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2099 » by driese0824 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:36 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:While I think Bledsoe is vastly overrated here, calling him a similar player to sessions is a huge insult.



Thats real gm 101 over rating the guys they like (middleton) and love (wonder who that can be...giannis) and under valuation the guys they hate tough there ....knight)
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2100 » by TroyD92 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:39 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:While I think Bledsoe is vastly overrated here, calling him a similar player to sessions is a huge insult.



Thats real gm 101 over rating the guys they like (middleton) and love (wonder who that can be...giannis) and under valuation the guys they hate tough there ....knight)


Go ahead and take Knight, and I'll take Giannis and we'll see who has a better career.
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