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Post#2201 » by mlloyd10 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:11 pm

cheeztrain wrote:Can Middleton easily play at the two?

Knight/Wolters
Middleton/Mayo
Giannis/Middleton
Parker/Ersan
Sanders/Henson

How many wins does that team come up with?


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Post#2202 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:12 pm

If Mayo decides to play, he's our most talented SG by a lot.

Now whether he shows up in shape and motivated is another story. But I tend to think Kidd will get him to shape up.
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Post#2203 » by Ayt » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:15 pm

LUKE23 wrote:With Giannis and Parker, we have way above average ball handling at those positions. I don't see the need for a ball handler at SG. I'll take the low usage sniper.


That's fine, but those guys are both only 19. As much as you may want to run the entire offense through both of them, they aren't going to be ready for it so we are going to need to get something out of our back court to take pressure off of them. Even if they are ready for a fairly heavy workload, a Knight/Middleton pairing is awful when it comes to basic guard play like running a pick and roll set. Middleton doesn't have the ball handling or instincts for it, and Knight is blind.

We aren't going to run a play every time down the court where Parker or Giannis is the primary ball handler. Those two need to play off the ball as well and as the screen setter in the pick and roll game.

As crazy as it sounds, if Wolters hasn't fixed his jumper, an in shape Mayo is the best pick and roll ball handler to use with Parker or Giannis. After those two, we have **** all at guard for even a basic play like that..

Our guard situation at the moment is comical. If we end up doing nothing but bringing back Sessions, I bet he plays quite a bit just because he can actually run a pick and roll competently.
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Post#2204 » by Badgerlander » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:21 pm

You guys are forgetting Inglis is a 2/3 as well


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Post#2205 » by europa » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:13 pm

LUKE23 wrote:There is no scenario where Mayo should start.


If he's properly motivated I agree with Press he's by far the most talented SG on the team.

Obviously, that's a Mayo-sized "If" we're talking about here. But that's the hope with Kidd now on board - that he can get through to the O.J. Mayo's of the world and help them get their heads screwed on straight. Same applies to Sanders.
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Post#2206 » by randy84 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:49 pm

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LUKE23 wrote:There is no scenario where Mayo should start.


If he's properly motivated I agree with Press he's by far the most talented SG on the team.

Obviously, that's a Mayo-sized "If" we're talking about here. But that's the hope with Kidd now on board - that he can get through to the O.J. Mayo's of the world and help them get their heads screwed on straight. Same applies to Sanders.


Be interesting to see how much of the problem was Drew. I remember both Brandon and Mayo saying something to the effect that they really didn't understand what Drew wanted during the season.
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Post#2207 » by JayMKE » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:55 pm

If Kidd can get OJ motivated and in shape then I don't care if he starts, rebuilding OJ's value will help us move him without attaching him to an asset
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Post#2208 » by europa » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:59 pm

randy84 wrote:
europa wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:There is no scenario where Mayo should start.


If he's properly motivated I agree with Press he's by far the most talented SG on the team.

Obviously, that's a Mayo-sized "If" we're talking about here. But that's the hope with Kidd now on board - that he can get through to the O.J. Mayo's of the world and help them get their heads screwed on straight. Same applies to Sanders.


Be interesting to see how much of the problem was Drew. I remember both Brandon and Mayo saying something to the effect that they really didn't understand what Drew wanted during the season.


I'm not sure that would explain Mayo showing up fat and out of shape, though. He clearly got paid and took a season off. The question is whether he has any pride left to try and rehabilitate his career. Maybe Kidd can get through to him if the Bucks don't trade him. He clearly has talent. I don't think that's ever been in question.
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Post#2209 » by M-C-G » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:59 pm

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StikWitEM wrote:You guys read the Q&A with Jason Kidd that Gardner did?

Kidd said we'll be seeing Giannis play point a lot more this week (summer league)

That could be huge for us during the season!

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/jason-ki ... 99141.html


You know what I like most about this article? The fact that it even exists...this signals to me that the way Milwaukee media treats the Bucks is changing. Gardner actually asked decent questions in a Bob McGinn Ted Thompson-style interview. This is huge for the Bucks going forward.


That is such a great point...I was going to post something on here about "where is the article asking about philosophy, staff, etc."...and voila, there it is.

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Post#2210 » by randy84 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:04 pm

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randy84 wrote:
europa wrote:
If he's properly motivated I agree with Press he's by far the most talented SG on the team.

Obviously, that's a Mayo-sized "If" we're talking about here. But that's the hope with Kidd now on board - that he can get through to the O.J. Mayo's of the world and help them get their heads screwed on straight. Same applies to Sanders.


Be interesting to see how much of the problem was Drew. I remember both Brandon and Mayo saying something to the effect that they really didn't understand what Drew wanted during the season.


I'm not sure that would explain Mayo showing up fat and out of shape, though. He clearly got paid and took a season off. The question is whether he has any pride left to try and rehabilitate his career. Maybe Kidd can get through to him if the Bucks don't trade him. He clearly has talent. I don't think that's ever been in question.


Not sure that he showed up fat, but he definitely got fatter as the year went on.

I think I am at the point that I am giving everyone a pass this year: Brandon Knight, Mayo, Henson, etc..., because of Drew's coaching. It doesn't sound like he had a clue on what type of team he had.

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Post#2211 » by M-C-G » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:05 pm

DocHoliday wrote:You guys are forgetting Inglis is a 2/3 as well


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We will worry about that in 2 or 3 years....For now, defensive specialist that will get a few minutes this season. That being said, I questioned some of the other guys about him being able to play the 2, between what they said, and additional scouting reports, I am coming around on the belief he could play the 2 for stretches (at least defensively)
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Post#2212 » by kgill_12bucks » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:05 pm

europa wrote:
randy84 wrote:
europa wrote:
If he's properly motivated I agree with Press he's by far the most talented SG on the team.

Obviously, that's a Mayo-sized "If" we're talking about here. But that's the hope with Kidd now on board - that he can get through to the O.J. Mayo's of the world and help them get their heads screwed on straight. Same applies to Sanders.


Be interesting to see how much of the problem was Drew. I remember both Brandon and Mayo saying something to the effect that they really didn't understand what Drew wanted during the season.


I'm not sure that would explain Mayo showing up fat and out of shape, though. He clearly got paid and took a season off. The question is whether he has any pride left to try and rehabilitate his career. Maybe Kidd can get through to him if the Bucks don't trade him. He clearly has talent. I don't think that's ever been in question.


He should be able to go 13/4/3 if motivated, Then maybe trade opportunities start popping up. Reminds me of Larry Hughes decline...
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Post#2213 » by sherm » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:07 pm

Having. Lineup of

Knight
Mayo
Giannis
Parker
Sanders

Gives us a very capable starting lineup that can penetrate, and hit mid range shots. Knight can get to the rim and put pressure on the bigs to collapse and hit a slashing giannis on a pick and roll or a pick and pop with parker and /or Ersan. Mayo can hit the outside shot when the double team comes over on parker in the post. And giannis can take bigger 4's outside on switch mismatches.
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Post#2214 » by kgill_12bucks » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:10 pm

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DocHoliday wrote:You guys are forgetting Inglis is a 2/3 as well


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We will worry about that in 2 or 3 years....For now, defensive specialist that will get a few minutes this season. That being said, I questioned some of the other guys about him being able to play the 2, between what they said, and additional scouting reports, I am coming around on the belief he could play the 2 for stretches (at least defensively)


At least 2 years for sure, with a ceiling of LRMB in my eyes, and more of a 3/4 to me. He's a 4 when covering guys like Parker or Carmelo
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Post#2215 » by Badgerlander » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:10 pm

M-C-G wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:You guys are forgetting Inglis is a 2/3 as well


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We will worry about that in 2 or 3 years....For now, defensive specialist that will get a few minutes this season. That being said, I questioned some of the other guys about him being able to play the 2, between what they said, and additional scouting reports, I am coming around on the belief he could play the 2 for stretches (at least defensively)


2 or 3 years? I thought we were rebuilding?

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Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF and PF?
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Post#2216 » by M-C-G » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:16 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:You guys are forgetting Inglis is a 2/3 as well


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We will worry about that in 2 or 3 years....For now, defensive specialist that will get a few minutes this season. That being said, I questioned some of the other guys about him being able to play the 2, between what they said, and additional scouting reports, I am coming around on the belief he could play the 2 for stretches (at least defensively)


2 or 3 years? I thought we were rebuilding?

Giannis Age 19.219
Jabari Age 19.120
Damien Age 19.054

Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF and PF?


I really see Inglis as a lot less developed than those two guys and felt like he was a couple of years away from being ready. Hope I am wrong, because I love the pick.
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Post#2217 » by Badgerlander » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:19 pm

M-C-G wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
We will worry about that in 2 or 3 years....For now, defensive specialist that will get a few minutes this season. That being said, I questioned some of the other guys about him being able to play the 2, between what they said, and additional scouting reports, I am coming around on the belief he could play the 2 for stretches (at least defensively)


2 or 3 years? I thought we were rebuilding?

Giannis Age 19.219
Jabari Age 19.120
Damien Age 19.054

Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF and PF?


I really see Inglis as a lot less developed than those two guys and felt like he was a couple of years away from being ready. Hope I am wrong, because I love the pick.


Oh, gotcha, just like Giannis was 2 or 3 years away last year? Because Inglis has played for and against tougher competition than Giannis did before the NBA.
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Post#2218 » by M-C-G » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:26 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
2 or 3 years? I thought we were rebuilding?

Giannis Age 19.219
Jabari Age 19.120
Damien Age 19.054

Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF and PF?


I really see Inglis as a lot less developed than those two guys and felt like he was a couple of years away from being ready. Hope I am wrong, because I love the pick.


Oh, gotcha, just like Giannis was 2 or 3 years away last year? Because Inglis has played for and against tougher competition than Giannis did before the NBA.


A little snippy today, eh Doc?

I don't think you can look at Inglis like Giannis, and I also don't think you can assume that every 19 year old is going to be able to step in and develop at a rate that Giannis did, and you can't assume that Inglis is going to be as ready to contribute as arguably the most NBA ready prospect in years like Jabari.

For what it is worth, I NEVER expect Giannis to contribute like he did. It was an incredible surprise. I think both of these guys are more the exception to the rule.
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Post#2219 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:28 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:You guys are forgetting Inglis is a 2/3 as well


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We will worry about that in 2 or 3 years....For now, defensive specialist that will get a few minutes this season. That being said, I questioned some of the other guys about him being able to play the 2, between what they said, and additional scouting reports, I am coming around on the belief he could play the 2 for stretches (at least defensively)


2 or 3 years? I thought we were rebuilding?

Giannis Age 19.219
Jabari Age 19.120
Damien Age 19.054

Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF
and PF?


Because it's not as simple as simply saying "this guy or that guys young so give him a ton of minutes to develop him". If you start giving guys big minutes before he's ready for them you stand the risk of stunting their development and killing their confidence.... Unless he proves otherwise in practice or in garbage time of games Inglis is going to be regulated to only a few minutes a game until he's show's he's capable of handling anything more whether we're rebuilding or not
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Post#2220 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:31 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
2 or 3 years? I thought we were rebuilding?

Giannis Age 19.219
Jabari Age 19.120
Damien Age 19.054

Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF and PF?


I really see Inglis as a lot less developed than those two guys and felt like he was a couple of years away from being ready. Hope I am wrong, because I love the pick.


Oh, gotcha, just like Giannis was 2 or 3 years away last year? Because Inglis has played for and against tougher competition than Giannis did before the NBA.


Well I'd also say Giannis is still 2 or 3 years away it's just that we all view his ceiling as drastically higher now then when he was drafted

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