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raferfenix · Post #2221 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:34 pm

Q.Is an upgrade required at the point guard position?

A. I think B (Brandon) Knight can play both. I'm very comfortable with him at the point or at the 2.

VooDoo7 · Post #2222 » by **VooDoo7** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:36 pm

DocHoliday wrote:Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF and PF?

Knowing our medical staff (have they been replaced yet?), that's probably how long it'll take for his foot to fully heal.

crkone · Post #2223 » by **crkone** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:43 pm

raferfenix wrote:
Q.Is an upgrade required at the point guard position?

A. I think B (Brandon) Knight can play both. I'm very comfortable with him at the point or at the 2.

I don't really expect him to come out and bash Knight or even say he's looking for an upgrade specifically at the point.

Badgerlander · Post #2224 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:43 pm

M-C-G wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
I really see Inglis as a lot less developed than those two guys and felt like he was a couple of years away from being ready. Hope I am wrong, because I love the pick.

Oh, gotcha, just like Giannis was 2 or 3 years away last year? Because Inglis has played for and against tougher competition than Giannis did before the NBA.

A little snippy today, eh Doc?

I don't think you can look at Inglis like Giannis, and I also don't think you can assume that every 19 year old is going to be able to step in and develop at a rate that Giannis did, and you can't assume that Inglis is going to be as ready to contribute as arguably the most NBA ready prospect in years like Jabari.

For what it is worth, I NEVER expect Giannis to contribute like he did. It was an incredible surprise. I think both of these guys are more the exception to the rule.

Not being snippy at all, I'm merely saying that Inglis is more ready to contribute this year than Giannis was last year. Maybe you've forgotten how much standing around Giannis did last year? Why exactly would we be holding Inglis back? Worried about foul trouble? Turn overs? I'm pretty sure that if any player goes out on the floor and turns the ball over a few times or gets in foul trouble they'll get the hook. Giannis is still a year or two behind where Parker is at right now and if we are going to live with his mistakes on the floor I don't see any reason why we couldn't live with Inglis's as well.

machu46 · Post #2225 » by **machu46** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:46 pm

crkone wrote:
raferfenix wrote:
Q.Is an upgrade required at the point guard position?

A. I think B (Brandon) Knight can play both. I'm very comfortable with him at the point or at the 2.

I don't really expect him to come out and bash Knight or even say he's looking for an upgrade specifically at the point.

I'm pretty sure in Kidd's answer to that question, he said that they will continue to look for upgrades if the opportunity to do so arises.

crkone · Post #2226 » by **crkone** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:52 pm

machu46 wrote:
crkone wrote:
raferfenix wrote:

I don't really expect him to come out and bash Knight or even say he's looking for an upgrade specifically at the point.

I'm pretty sure in Kidd's answer to that question, he said that they will continue to look for upgrades if the opportunity to do so arises.

Yes he did. I meant he didn't single out the point or any position. Just said they're always looking for upgrades. No reason to single anyone out yet since he hasn't had real time with them. If OJ comes in at 250, then it's time to single someone out.

Badgerlander · Post #2227 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:53 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
We will worry about that in 2 or 3 years....For now, defensive specialist that will get a few minutes this season. That being said, I questioned some of the other guys about him being able to play the 2, between what they said, and additional scouting reports, I am coming around on the belief he could play the 2 for stretches (at least defensively)

2 or 3 years? I thought we were rebuilding?

Giannis Age 19.219
Jabari Age 19.120
Damien Age 19.054

Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF
and PF?

Because it's not as simple as simply saying "this guy or that guys young so give him a ton of minutes to develop him". If you start giving guys big minutes before he's ready for them you stand the risk of stunting their development and killing their confidence.... Unless he proves otherwise in practice or in garbage time of games Inglis is going to be regulated to only a few minutes a game until he's show's he's capable of handling anything more whether we're rebuilding or not

Right, so he shouldn't be treated any differently than Giannis or Parker and we shouldn't go assuming that Inglis is 2 or 3 years away before he's had a single practice with the team. The kid looks like he is ready defensively, but offensively he'd probably turn the ball over quite a bit if we tried to run the offense thru him. As long as he doesn't have a setback with his foot he should be in the mix for minutes if he comes in and shows he is ready.

Insomniaac · Post #2228 » by **Insomniaac** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:54 pm

raferfenix wrote:
Q.Is an upgrade required at the point guard position?

A. I think B (Brandon) Knight can play both. I'm very comfortable with him at the point or at the 2.

What else is he gonna say? He goes on to mention Knight starting at the 2 again in that answer.. I was pretty happy with it.

Badgerlander · Post #2229 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:07 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
I really see Inglis as a lot less developed than those two guys and felt like he was a couple of years away from being ready. Hope I am wrong, because I love the pick.

Oh, gotcha, just like Giannis was 2 or 3 years away last year? Because Inglis has played for and against tougher competition than Giannis did before the NBA.

Well I'd also say Giannis is still 2 or 3 years away it's just that we all view his ceiling as drastically higher now then when he was drafted

I wouldn't say "we all" as some of us thought his ceiling was pretty damn high before the draft, but I agree and Inglis's ceiling looks pretty outstanding so he should get a similar benefit of the doubt.

RRyder823 · Post #2230 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:11 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
2 or 3 years? I thought we were rebuilding?

Giannis Age 19.219
Jabari Age 19.120
Damien Age 19.054

Why would Inglis be 2 or 3 years away while Giannis and Jabari should be getting the majority of minutes at SF
and PF?

Because it's not as simple as simply saying "this guy or that guys young so give him a ton of minutes to develop him". If you start giving guys big minutes before he's ready for them you stand the risk of stunting their development and killing their confidence.... Unless he proves otherwise in practice or in garbage time of games Inglis is going to be regulated to only a few minutes a game until he's show's he's capable of handling anything more whether we're rebuilding or not

Right, so he shouldn't be treated any differently than Giannis or Parker and we shouldn't go assuming that Inglis is 2 or 3 years away before he's had a single practice with the team. The kid looks like he is ready defensively, but offensively he'd probably turn the ball over quite a bit if we tried to run the offense thru him. As long as he doesn't have a setback with his foot he should be in the mix for minutes if he comes in and shows he is ready.

We shouldn't. But before you'd start giving him big time minutes he's have to show it first in other areas. Giannis showed it last year when he was givin the chance and I got to believe Parker will also this year. I'm not against giving the guy minutes if he shows he can handle them and shows the promise to grow but for me there's been way too many times that I've seen players thrown into the fire before they're ready and it just kills their confidence or they get playing time right away and start to form bad habits that are hard to break.

If he shows he's capable... Play him. If not there's nothing wrong with having him learn from practice and the bench for a year. Simple as that for me but it's too early right now to be making the assumption he'll be seeing more then spot minutes as of right now this coming season

Badgerlander · Post #2231 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:13 pm

RRyder823 wrote: If he shows he's capable... Play him.

this was the point that I was trying to make with MCG you can't just assume a guy is 2 or 3 years away like he had stated

RRyder823 · Post #2232 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:22 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
RRyder823 wrote: If he shows he's capable... Play him.

this was the point that I was trying to make with MCG you can't just assume a guy is 2 or 3 years away like he had stated

Fair enough. I agree. But I'd also say by most reports he has been labeled a "project" so he'll have to show he's capable in other areas before giving him meaningfull minutes. You can't just force feed him minutes. Sorry only skimmed a few of the posts and that's what I thought you were getting at and that we should just play him no matter what and hope for the best.. My bad

raferfenix · Post #2233 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:28 pm

There is no easy answer that Kidd could have given.

I just find it discouraging to hear anything that doesn't imply "we know Brandon Knight does not make players around him better and we are committed to acquiring capable point guards to help make sure Giannis and Jabari develop properly."

Hoping Kidd is posturing about how comfortable he is with Knight at the 1.

raferfenix · Post #2234 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:33 pm

On the flipside, I find Kidd talking up Giannis' PG potential to be extremely encouraging:

Q.What style of play can fans expect, and will it be similar to how your Nets team played last season?

A. We were probably a secondary break (team). We weren't flying the ball up. The ball touched the paint a lot of times. When we talk about touching the paint, the ball touches the key for making a layup or making a play for a teammate. We've got to use our length and our speed. Defensively, getting deflections. Give up one shot and rebound. We talk about getting out on the break and using guys' strengths of speed and athletic ability, getting layups and wide-open threes. You see the potential when you look at Giannis (Antetokounmpo) being able to bring the ball up, play the point. We'll see him more at the point during the week. You look at Jabari (Parker) being able to rebound it and bust it out. Those two are very comfortable with the ball as bigs. I'm a big believer that if you rebound the ball, that's the fastest or easiest way to start a break. When those guys get it, you've got to go, because they're willing passers, too.

If we were to try and develop Giannis specifically as a point forward -- or even a giant PG, which I don't think we've seen since Magic Johnson -- then I would be less concerned about Knight hindering his or Parker's development.

dedned · Post #2235 » by **dedned** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:42 pm

Waukee Taukee · Post #2236 » by **Waukee Taukee** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:46 pm

raferfenix wrote:
Q.Is an upgrade required at the point guard position?

A. I think B (Brandon) Knight can play both. I'm very comfortable with him at the point or at the 2.

I agree with the sentiment but how the hell is Kidd supposed to respond to that loaded question?

-It would be impolitic to say that Knight can't play point because (1) a public expression of lack of confidence in a player isn't the right way to start his tenure, and (2) despite the apparent lack of depth in our back court, such a statement only broadcasts our desperation for a PG to every other NBA front office. Let 'em think we're comfortable with what we have.

Edited: This is pretty redundant to many of the responses above. Sorry.

sherm · Post #2237 » by **sherm** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:07 pm

Im not big on mayo, but if he comes to camp in shape he is a good option at sg. BUT a fast, big lineup could feature knight,giannis,parker,ersan,and sanders. That gives us size, speed, and athleticism.

This also gives us a solid 2nd group of shooters to sub in.

Badgerlander · Post #2238 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:11 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
RRyder823 wrote: If he shows he's capable... Play him.

this was the point that I was trying to make with MCG you can't just assume a guy is 2 or 3 years away like he had stated

Fair enough. I agree. But I'd also say by most reports he has been labeled a "project" so he'll have to show he's capable in other areas before giving him meaningfull minutes. You can't just force feed him minutes. Sorry only skimmed a few of the posts and that's what I thought you were getting at and that we should just play him no matter what and hope for the best.. My bad

I don't think he is that much of a project. He's a pretty good defender and they've been using him as a point forward on offense. His shot form needs work but he's been hitting a good fg% in spite of it.

Wissports_fan21 · Post #2239 » by **Wissports_fan21** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:08 pm

sherm wrote:Im not big on mayo, but if he comes to camp in shape he is a good option at sg. BUT a fast, big lineup could feature knight,giannis,parker,ersan,and sanders. That gives us size, speed, and athleticism.

This also gives us a solid 2nd group of shooters to sub in.

Is it too early to believe that Ersan is going to be on this team at the start of the season? I really thought he was going to be gone by now.

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htr · Post #2240 » by **htr** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:20 pm

Ersan will be a Buck unless a GM calls our GM hoping to obtain him.