Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[kingkirk]

You're doing a ton of assuming here. There's just as good a chance Mirotic steps right in like a Plumlee or Steven Adams. Also, as is we're going to be exposed at SG anyway. May as well try and shore that up and roll with your top European prospect being good enough to be a back up.

Aren't we all?

[dumbell78]

Gar/Pax clearly have an idea though. Otherwise you ship him off for one of those top 10 picks or don't give him almost $20 million.

GarPax love his potential and wanted him to be brought in with Taj as a safe guard that can play both PF and C. Maybe give Nikola 12-15 min a game a la Asik when he was a rookie. 20 mil is crazy money for that I agree but they were put in a unique spot after striking out on Melo. They needed to bring in talent and get this team any potential help it could. If Melo was here in a S&T, Gasol for the MLE, Nikola is still in Spain right now. This has become a real tricky plan B.

That would be fine. But I have no worry about Mirotic playing 20 minutes a night behind Pau and Joakim with those 2 getting the 4th quarter and crunch time minutes.

I hope you're right bro!

[johnnyvann840]

I thought Mirotic was the one with the promise.

I'm not buying anyone knows right now.

My exact thoughts as well!

Mis-information for the win.

Now...put McD, Mirotic, Taj, MDJ (or Snell), and some picks out there for Love and Martin. Sign Marion, sign Nazr. Win titles.

I thought it was Taj.. Gar told him to buy and not rent cause he would be here.. Are the Bulls going to buy his house when they ship him?

[panthermark]

We'll destroy that Cavs team. With or without Love. Taj and Gasol will DESTROY, Kevin Love's no defense playin ass. I cannot wait. Irving's defense is laughable, Wiaters is a joke. AV is overrated on D. Love is one of the worst in the league. Lebron cannot cover everyone. Kyrie Irving is actually hilarious to watch try and defend . Love isn't much better than Boozer at PnR D and they have no real size or beef to contend with our bigs.

With Love?

No we won't....not in the offs....where we have pretty much gotten our asses handed to us Bron-Bron. Safe for teams with stretch 4's (remember Orlando) used to blow us out of the water. It took us forever to figure out to beat them....and that was to make Howard do it because he could not hit FT's and on one else could beat their guy one on one. Different story for the Cavs.

Without Love....I like our chances a bit more. Their front does not scare me nor pose any type of mismatch.

[Polynice4Pippen]

You're doing a ton of assuming here. There's just as good a chance Mirotic steps right in like a Plumlee or Steven Adams. Also, as is we're going to be exposed at SG anyway. May as well try and shore that up and roll with your top European prospect being good enough to be a back up.

Aren't we all?

Yep. But once you hand out the near $20 million contract and turn down the top 10 picks, that's moving on to the commitment stage.

[DanTown8587]

It makes sense because you're saying "Mirotic can't be trusted because he's not played in the NBA" and that's true of any player who is a rookie, you're just saying "well college > euroleague" when I think that's incredibly questionable.

Players are not robots. Their is interpersonal issues that Nikola is going to have to manage that McDermott clearly won't need to.

It's shortsighted to omit every other aspect of life that Nikola is going to need to adjust to as he moves into the States that your typical collegiate athlete already familiar with a game he has been groomed to play in already.

It's not comparable.

Well now that we've wandered into the "Nikola has to adjust to basketball in a foreign country even though he's played in foreign countries for the last five years" part of the comparison, have a good day. We agree to disagree.

[Polynice4Pippen]

GarPax love his potential and wanted him to be brought in with Taj as a safe guard that can play both PF and C. Maybe give Nikola 12-15 min a game a la Asik when he was a rookie. 20 mil is crazy money for that I agree but they were put in a unique spot after striking out on Melo. They needed to bring in talent and get this team any potential help it could. If Melo was here in a S&T, Gasol for the MLE, Nikola is still in Spain right now. This has become a real tricky plan B.

That would be fine. But I have no worry about Mirotic playing 20 minutes a night behind Pau and Joakim with those 2 getting the 4th quarter and crunch time minutes.

I hope you're right bro!

So do Gar/Pax.

[johnnyvann840]

We can say the same thing about McDermott now that people are saying about Niko.. Cause I have no problem with him starting at the 3. We can roll like that. I think he is already a better player than Kevin Martin.. RIGHT NOW.

Sure you can say it. You can even believe it. But it's not grounded anywhere in reality. Martin is a proven 20 ppg scorer in the NBA. Also, there's a huge difference from being a starting SF and teams top offensive wing player to being a back up PF behind a pair of all-star bigs.

Touche... Same exact thing you're saying about Mirotic... Taj is a proven all NBA caliber defensive player. Maybe the best defensive PF in the league if you dont call LBJ a PF.. 6 MOY runner up in the NBA.. Knows Thibs system better than anyone. Niko hasn't played a minute yet. Huge difference him and Niko right now..

[Polynice4Pippen]

We can say the same thing about McDermott now that people are saying about Niko.. Cause I have no problem with him starting at the 3. We can roll like that. I think he is already a better player than Kevin Martin.. RIGHT NOW.

Sure you can say it. You can even believe it. But it's not grounded anywhere in reality. Martin is a proven 20 ppg scorer in the NBA. Also, there's a huge difference from being a starting SF and teams top offensive wing player to being a back up PF behind a pair of all-star bigs.

Touche... Same exact thing you're saying about Mirotic... Taj is a proven all NBA caliber defensive player. Maybe the best defensive PF in the league if you dont call LBJ a PF.. 6 MOY runner up in the NBA.. Knows Thibs system better than anyone. Niko hasn't played a minute yet. Huge difference him and Niko right now..

True. But Niko has a better shot at being a solid back up immediately than McDermott has of being a starting SF giving us 20 ppg right away.

[panthermark]

And we have the defenders that can stick to Kyrie like glue.

So if that's the case why do you stress about Love going there since we are arguably the best defensive team for about 4 years straight. Then who will stop Butler, McD, and Rose? All 3 guys could have a mismatch and could take advantage of it.

Gasol isn't that great of a defender though so realistically you could see a couple of our guys scoring on him. But since were going there who can Love take advantage of when we bring in Taj? Kevin Love doesn't scare me because he doesn't really dominate us.

No we don't....you can't mean Rose (coming off two years worth of injuries?). Butler is on Bron.....so you must mean Hinrich.

Hnrich is my guy...but...umm......if Hinrich is on the court (with Butler and Noah...and maybe Taj)....how are WE going to score? Rose helps...but that was a good chunk of one of the worst offenses in the NBA right there.


Who is going to stop Butler? Butler isn't a scorer.
Who is gong to stop McD? Dude has not taken a single shot in the NBA.
Who is going to stop Rose? In the final two minutes...LeBron James. We've seen that movie before. It didn't end well.

[kingkirk]

I am interested to see if Kevin Love would be prepared to take the long 2s that we gave up to Bosh and Nene, or if he would still float out to the 3 point line given that his game is dictated heavily by this shot.

In that sense, he may not be as devastating against us as Chris Bosh has been in year's past with his mid range game.

Love - 2013-14

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10-16 feet: 46/130 = 35.4%
16-23 feet: 76/190 = 40.0%

Bosh - 2013-14

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10-16 feet: 61/129 = 47.3%
16-23 feet: 153/318 = 48.1%

[kingkirk]

have a good day. We agree to disagree.

So polite!

[kingkirk]

Yep. But once you hand out the near $20 million contract and turn down the top 10 picks, that's moving on to the commitment stage.

Contract, hype and pedigree doesn't guarantee his play, just like Wiggins and his 5.5m he will be earning next season.

[Rerisen]

I am interested to see if Kevin Love would be prepared to take the long 2s that we gave up to Bosh and Nene, or if he would still float out to the 3 point line given that his game is dictated heavily by this shot.

In that sense, he may not be as devastating against us as Chris Bosh has been in year's past with his mid range game.

Love - 2013-14

Code: Select all

10-16 feet: 46/130 = 35.4%
16-23 feet: 76/190 = 40.0%

Bosh - 2013-14

Code: Select all

10-16 feet: 61/129 = 47.3%
16-23 feet: 153/318 = 48.1%

I'm not sure that Miami didn't become more dangerous when Bosh started shooting 3s to be honest. I would say they did for sure. Just by the time it happened, Wade was already on the decline along with their other role players.

But in 2013 playoffs, he hit a lot of big threes.

A guy defending Bosh at 18 feet could still sag to defend the paint, say to help on LeBron, that is part of the reason Bosh had so much open room, we didn't usually go out there. But if a guy is on the 3pt line, of course Love in this case, you have no hope to hedge still in the paint. The lane is going to be wide open.

[Polynice4Pippen]

Yep. But once you hand out the near $20 million contract and turn down the top 10 picks, that's moving on to the commitment stage.

Contract, hype and pedigree doesn't guarantee his play, just like Wiggins and his 5.5m he will be earning next season.

It does guarantee his play. It's just a matter of when, not if. And in a back up role, he should be good to go right away. According to this entire organization, all the talent is there.

[dumbell78]

Couple months back I said KLove seems like a chucker when you look closely at his numbers and dissect them. This was comparing his numbers to a prime Barkley which some were doing. Im not afraid of him in Cleveland at all.

I am interested to see if Kevin Love would be prepared to take the long 2s that we gave up to Bosh and Nene, or if he would still float out to the 3 point line given that his game is dictated heavily by this shot.

In that sense, he may not be as devastating against us as Chris Bosh has been in year's past with his mid range game.

Love - 2013-14

Code: Select all

10-16 feet: 46/130 = 35.4%
16-23 feet: 76/190 = 40.0%

Bosh - 2013-14

Code: Select all

10-16 feet: 61/129 = 47.3%
16-23 feet: 153/318 = 48.1%

[johnnyvann840]

We'll destroy that Cavs team. With or without Love. Taj and Gasol will DESTROY, Kevin Love's no defense playin ass. I cannot wait. Irving's defense is laughable, Wiaters is a joke. AV is overrated on D. Love is one of the worst in the league. Lebron cannot cover everyone. Kyrie Irving is actually hilarious to watch try and defend . Love isn't much better than Boozer at PnR D and they have no real size or beef to contend with our bigs.

With Love?

No we won't....not in the offs....where we have pretty much gotten our asses handed to us Bron-Bron. Safe for teams with stretch 4's (remember Orlando) used to blow us out of the water. It took us forever to figure out to beat them....and that was to make Howard do it because he could not hit FT's and on one else could beat their guy one on one. Different story for the Cavs.

Without Love....I like our chances a bit more. Their front does not scare me nor pose any type of mismatch.

Yup. With Love. In the playoffs.

Not a player on that team has ever played in the NBA playoffs other than Lebron and AV. tbey will be the worst defense in the NBA.. We will DESTROY them. What a joke. Kyrie Irving tryhing to play D is like watching the Keystone Cops. Waiters is as dumb as a rock and a malcontent. Kevin Love is nearly Boozer bad on D.

Lebron can guard the perimeter, lock down the paint and disrupt passing lanes all at the same time. That team is gonna have it's problems.

[Rerisen]

comparing his numbers to a prime Barkley

Well there's the problem. There isn't 5 PF in the history of the game that compare to Barkley's prime offensive numbers I don't think.

[kingkirk]

I'm not sure that Miami didn't become more dangerous when Bosh started shooting 3s to be honest. I would say they did for sure. Just by the time it happened, Wade was already on the decline along with their other role players.

But in 2013 playoffs, he hit a lot of big threes.

A guy defending Bosh at 18 feet could still sag to defend the paint, say to help on LeBron, that is part of the reason Bosh had so much open room, we didn't usually go out there. But if a guy is on the 3pt line, of course Love in this case, you have no hope to hedge still in the paint. The lane is going to be wide open.

But against the Bulls, did you fear Bosh at the 3 point line or hovering around the elbow, which is the shot our defense gives up?

For me, it was certainly the latter.

[panthermark]

Yup. With Love. In the playoffs.

Not a player on that team has ever played in the NBA playoffs other than Lebron and AV. tbey will be the worst defense in the NBA.. We will DESTROY them. What a joke. Kyrie Irving tryhing to play D is like watching the Keystone Cops. Waiters is as dumb as a rock and a malcontent. Kevin Love is nearly Boozer bad on D.

Lebron can guard the perimeter, lock down the paint and disrupt passing lanes all at the same time. That team is gonna have it's problems.

They will not be the worst defense in the NBA, even with Love. We can sig bet on that.
I've already pointed out a couple of times that Minny was 12th in D last year....with Love and that guy you hate so much.

As far as play-offs go, yes, we have more experience as a team. But our best player has played in one play-off game in 3 years, and our "super depth rookie sensations" have yet to take a single shot in the NBA.

Our best hope is that the coach sucks and does really dumb things.