Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[Rerisen]

But against the Bulls, did you fear Bosh at the 3 point line or hovering around the elbow, which is the shot our defense gives up?

For me, it was certainly the latter.

I can't answer that because we never played them when Bosh played like that with our healthy team.

I never felt we had any real chance without Rose, and that is the only time Bosh started drifting out there.

But I can't see that Bosh being on the arc more would have made it any easier to concede to them a worse shot, than vs the elbow.

The Cleveland dynamic is going to be so totally different than Miami, I'm not sure we can even draw comparisons.

For one, if they expect Dion to be their Wade, he has a ways to go, but he is at least a much better shooter. And there were times with Wade on the floor when their offense started getting bogged down. This won't figure to happen nearly so much in that lineup.

Also Love has a dimension Bosh doesn't, he still scores in the paint. As I've noted his post up numbers were more efficient than Pau last year, and a healthy 23% of his shots come from there.

How is Irving going to be used, will he still run offense to give LeBron breaks, more like Wade still did in 2011, or will he totally defer to being a secondary action playmaker and spot up shooter. We know nothing about Blatt's style either.

[kingkirk]

It does guarantee his play. It's just a matter of when, not if. And in a back up role, he should be good to go right away. According to this entire organization, all the talent is there.

Contracts guarantee play? Quick, someone tell Carlos Boozer.

No one within the organisation is questioning Nikola's talent. Here is what Thibs thinks, which is what i've been saying:

You have Mirotic, who's coming in from overseas, so he's adjusting to a new culture and the NBA coming from a different league. I think Mirotic is something that we haven't had: a four that can shoot the 3. But we'll see how long it takes him to adjust. I think with both guys (Mirotic and rookie Doug McDermott) we're not going to know until we see the preseason and how that unfolds. There's a big difference between college and the Euro league and the NBA. So it's going to take a little bit of time, but it's the skill set of the shooting that I think is important.

[dumbell78]

comparing his numbers to a prime Barkley

Well there's the problem. There isn't 5 PF in the history of the game that compare to Barkley's prime offensive numbers I don't think.

No doubt, that was the point I was making in that thread. The KLove "love' was getting out of hand.

[panthermark]

I am interested to see if Kevin Love would be prepared to take the long 2s that we gave up to Bosh and Nene, or if he would still float out to the 3 point line given that his game is dictated heavily by this shot.

In that sense, he may not be as devastating against us as Chris Bosh has been in year's past with his mid range game.

Love - 2013-14

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10-16 feet: 46/130 = 35.4%
16-23 feet: 76/190 = 40.0%

Bosh - 2013-14

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10-16 feet: 61/129 = 47.3%
16-23 feet: 153/318 = 48.1%

Kevin Love is was the #1 option, with Kevin Martin as the #2.
Bosh was the #3 option with.

Make Love the 2nd option with Irving as the 3rd option you can't leave open....and I bet Love's numbers rise quite a bit.

[BullsFTW]

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Chicago wants Love, but they wouldn't mind getting a starting wing either. That's where Martin and a potential 3 team deal comes into play.

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Minnesota asked about McDermott, but they're less willing to give him up over Taj or Mirotic.

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If any Bulls deal happens with Minnesota and/or Cleveland, McDermott is unlikely to be involved.

I predict we come out of this on the losing end on getting Love but gaining either :

T. Thompson or G. Dieng
D. Waiters or Kevin Martin

Hopefully we can expand it and get even more when this is all said and done. I also don't see Taj or Mike starting the season with us. Mirotic & McDermott are the replacement killers.

I'd be content if the Bulls ended up with Waiters and Thompson or Dieng.

[kingkirk]

Also Love has a dimension Bosh doesn't, he still scores in the paint. As I've noted his post up numbers were more efficient than Pau last year, and a healthy 23% of his shots come from there.

Will he score in the paint in Cleveland, though? Not at the same level, or with as many shots of his coming from that area.

With AV already in there, and that painted area needing to be cleared out for Lebron, i will be surprised if Love is on the block much outside of rebounding purposes.

[Polynice4Pippen]

Yup. With Love. In the playoffs.

Not a player on that team has ever played in the NBA playoffs other than Lebron and AV. tbey will be the worst defense in the NBA.. We will DESTROY them. What a joke. Kyrie Irving tryhing to play D is like watching the Keystone Cops. Waiters is as dumb as a rock and a malcontent. Kevin Love is nearly Boozer bad on D.

Lebron can guard the perimeter, lock down the paint and disrupt passing lanes all at the same time. That team is gonna have it's problems.

They will not be the worst defense in the NBA, even with Love. We can sig bet on that.
I've already pointed out a couple of times that Minny was 12th in D last year....with Love and that guy you hate so much.

As far as play-offs go, yes, we have more experience as a team. But our best player has played in one play-off game in 3 years, and our "super depth rookie sensations" have yet to take a single shot in the NBA.

Our best hope is that the coach sucks and does really dumb things.

They'll be one of the worst defensive teams of all Eastern Conference playoff teams. Clearly worse defensively than the Bulls, Pacers, Hornets and Hawks. And possibly worse than Heat, Wiz and Raptors.

[johnnyvann840]

Yup. With Love. In the playoffs.

Not a player on that team has ever played in the NBA playoffs other than Lebron and AV. tbey will be the worst defense in the NBA.. We will DESTROY them. What a joke. Kyrie Irving tryhing to play D is like watching the Keystone Cops. Waiters is as dumb as a rock and a malcontent. Kevin Love is nearly Boozer bad on D.

Lebron can guard the perimeter, lock down the paint and disrupt passing lanes all at the same time. That team is gonna have it's problems.

They will not be the worst defense in the NBA, even with Love. We can sig bet on that.
I've already pointed out a couple of times that Minny was 12th in D last year....with Love and that guy you hate so much.

As far as play-offs go, yes, we have more experience as a team. But our best player has played in one play-off game in 3 years, and our "super depth rookie sensations" have yet to take a single shot in the NBA.

Our best hope is that the coach sucks and does really dumb things.

Worst in the league may be an exaggeration but they will be bottom rung even with Lebron.. New coach, new team, new system, not skilled defensively.. It's a perfect storm for failure in this league.

[kingkirk]

Kevin Love is was the #1 option, with Kevin Martin as the #2.
Bosh was the #3 option with.

Make Love the 2nd option with Irving as the 3rd option you can't leave open....and I bet Love's numbers rise quite a bit.

Perhaps, or maybe the mid range game isn't something he is overly good at?

Time will tell.

[Rerisen]

Make Love the 2nd option with Irving as the 3rd option you can't leave open....and I bet Love's numbers rise quite a bit.

Love's efficiency as a #1 was already higher than Bosh's was as a #1.

So if he sees any kind of jump similar to Bosh did in joining with LeBron, the league better watch out.

[Rerisen]

Kevin Love is was the #1 option, with Kevin Martin as the #2.
Bosh was the #3 option with.

Make Love the 2nd option with Irving as the 3rd option you can't leave open....and I bet Love's numbers rise quite a bit.

Perhaps, or maybe the mid range game isn't something he is overly good at?

Time will tell.

I just wouldn't even assume he is going to be used like Bosh.

And to the degree he is, yeah he will probably be getting wide open looks he never got in Minny.

[Polynice4Pippen]

It does guarantee his play. It's just a matter of when, not if. And in a back up role, he should be good to go right away. According to this entire organization, all the talent is there.

Contracts guarantee play? Quick, someone tell Carlos Boozer.

No one within the organisation is questioning Nikola's talent. Here is what Thibs thinks, which is what i've been saying:

You have Mirotic, who's coming in from overseas, so he's adjusting to a new culture and the NBA coming from a different league. I think Mirotic is something that we haven't had: a four that can shoot the 3. But we'll see how long it takes him to adjust. I think with both guys (Mirotic and rookie Doug McDermott) we're not going to know until we see the preseason and how that unfolds. There's a big difference between college and the Euro league and the NBA. So it's going to take a little bit of time, but it's the skill set of the shooting that I think is important.

Contracts guarantee a player will eventually get minutes and a shot. What they do with that shot is another story. Mirotic wasn't brought over here to compete with Cameron Bairstow for a roster spot.

[Rerisen]

Will he score in the paint in Cleveland, though? Not at the same level, or with as many shots of his coming from that area.

With AV already in there, and that painted area needing to be cleared out for Lebron, i will be surprised if Love is on the block much outside of rebounding purposes.

It's going to take that team at least half the year to hit their stride I bet (assuming Love goes there).

Hopefully Rose is ready much faster, because HCA could be a critical help in the end for us.

[Rerisen]

Contracts guarantee a player will eventually get minutes and a shot. What they do with that shot is another story. Mirotic wasn't brought over here to compete with Cameron Bairstow for a roster spot.

Low blow P4P! KC is putting Cam in most of his mock rotations already.

[kingkirk]

Contracts guarantee a player will eventually get minutes and a shot. What they do with that shot is another story. Mirotic wasn't brought over here to compete with Cameron Bairstow for a roster spot.

He also wasn't brought over here to be gifted minutes by Thibs based on his salary. He will play if he has earned it.

[Polynice4Pippen]

Contracts guarantee a player will eventually get minutes and a shot. What they do with that shot is another story. Mirotic wasn't brought over here to compete with Cameron Bairstow for a roster spot.

He also wasn't brought over here to be gifted minutes by Thibs based on his salary. He will play if he has earned it.

Under that logic Mirotic has already been gifted $17 million that he has yet to earn.

[panthermark]

Worst in the league may be an exaggeration but they will be bottom rung even with Lebron.. New coach, new team, new system, not skilled defensively.. It's a perfect storm for failure in this league.

Maybe....but we never know what a new coach might do.

[Wont PerDont]

It makes sense because you're saying "Mirotic can't be trusted because he's not played in the NBA" and that's true of any player who is a rookie, you're just saying "well college > euroleague" when I think that's incredibly questionable.

Players are not robots. Their is interpersonal issues that Nikola is going to have to manage that McDermott clearly won't need to.

It's shortsighted to omit every other aspect of life that Nikola is going to need to adjust to as he moves into the States that your typical collegiate athlete already familiar with a game he has been groomed to play in already.

It's not comparable.

Overrated. I was significantly younger than Mirotic living in a foreign country for work (military) and dare to say a tougher occupation. And while many of the people I worked with spoke the same language (allow for some adjustment here),in every other facet of my existence they did not, and I not only wasn't allowed "a season to adjust" I was expected to do what I was trained to to a high, measurable standard almost immediately and you know what? So was everybody else I worked with...and we did....So, stay off my damn lawn!

[kingkirk]

Under that logic Mirotic has already been gifted $17 million that he has yet to earn.

Nope.

If he was a top 10 pick, say 8th over all, his contract regardless of play would be:

14-15: 2.3m
15-16: 2.4m
16-17: 2.5m

He is being paid more than your average rookie due to the fact that he could earn 2-3m easily in Europe, he has a buyout and you need to pay him to get him over here.

Even Bojan Bogdanovic is earning 10m over 3, which is more than what McDermott will be earning over the same period.

You need to pay these Euro's to get them over. It's not free money, as you need to deduct a rookie scale deal from their wage, but at the same time, i don't see Thibodeau of all coaches gifting any rookie minutes based on their contract if they don't know the system.

[johnnyvann840]

Maybe....but we never know what a new coach might do.
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True. But, Thibs walked into Joakim, Luol, Taj, Omer, Ronnie, Keif, Big Sexy in the post... we were loaded with defensive studs. Blatt has Lebron and poop