The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[Safety Pickle]

Does anybody else just wanna roll with what we got or is it just me?

I can't wait to see Dragic-Bledsoe-Thomas wreak havoc on opposing defenses, Len's improvement, and Warren immediately proving his worth as a point-a-minute player. I'm also excited to see Kieff come back as a starter, with a chip on his shoulder, ready to prove his haters wrong.

Last year I was most excited early on to watch Len, and became more invested in the team's success as pleasant surprise turned into reasonable hope. But this year I'm interested in all our guys. I'm more attached. I want them to succeed individually and as a team. Just look at this:

Bledsoe/Thomas
Dragic/Green
Tucker/Warren
Morris/Morris
Plumlee/Len

When healthy, we're going to have tremendous depth. But we won't be alone in that respect in the west. When healthy, I'd say the Nuggets, Warriors, Grizzlies, and Spurs are all just as deep (I'd also include the Thunder but for that gaping hole at the 2).

I just can't wait to see how good that team is. It looks better to me, but it's really hard to tell if the west improved. I'm not a believer in Dallas, but Denver's going to be better. Golden State added Livingston, butHouston's down a peg. LA swapped Collison for Hawes, but their 2/3 situation doesn't look any better. The Lakers are better, but that's not saying much. Memphis may be better, but Minnesota's worse. New Orleans up with Asik, but the Thunder have a lot of youth developing and should be better. Portland stayed still, Sacramento chased its own tail, while San Antonio decays so slowly its hard to measure. One other team I'm excited to watch is Utah, but they probably won't win much.

The thing about trying to project minutes though... it's silly mostly because of how versatile our roster is. I could see Green on Thomas playing a see-saw with minutes depending on match-ups. Who knows how big a role TJ will play. Tolliver could see a lot of minutes at C on nights where it's clear we need to spread the floor. So averaging those numbers really won't tell us much about what we'll see out there.

Glad I'm not in Phoenix, or the summer would seem to last forever.

I agree - we need to move forward with what we have!

You should be in PHX. Its only 109!

At least you guys get a dry heat. Here in Missouri it was like 90 today with so much humidity that being outside for more than 5 mins would leave you drenched in sweat

[Saberestar]

Multiple league sources told FOX Sports Ohio on Friday they are under the impression Love has relayed his desire for a trade to Cleveland to his agent. Love is represented by Jeff Schwartz.

Sources could not say for certain whether Love or Schwartz have made a formal trade request to the Timberwolves. Most believe if such a request is made, the Cavs will be able to obtain Love at a considerably cheaper cost than what is being discussed by the teams.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/26 ... cleveland/

[King4Day]

Multiple league sources told FOX Sports Ohio on Friday they are under the impression Love has relayed his desire for a trade to Cleveland to his agent. Love is represented by Jeff Schwartz.

Sources could not say for certain whether Love or Schwartz have made a formal trade request to the Timberwolves. Most believe if such a request is made, the Cavs will be able to obtain Love at a considerably cheaper cost than what is being discussed by the teams.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/26 ... cleveland/

Minny could find better deals from teams willing to trade for him without commitment than any cavs offer without Wiggins. But how dumb would Minnesota be if they could have had Wiggins but demanded more and now can no longer get him

EDIT: I know how to spell 'would'. Autocorrect up in this piece

[BobbieL]

Does anybody else just wanna roll with what we got or is it just me?

I can't wait to see Dragic-Bledsoe-Thomas wreak havoc on opposing defenses, Len's improvement, and Warren immediately proving his worth as a point-a-minute player. I'm also excited to see Kieff come back as a starter, with a chip on his shoulder, ready to prove his haters wrong.

Last year I was most excited early on to watch Len, and became more invested in the team's success as pleasant surprise turned into reasonable hope. But this year I'm interested in all our guys. I'm more attached. I want them to succeed individually and as a team. Just look at this:

Bledsoe/Thomas
Dragic/Green
Tucker/Warren
Morris/Morris
Plumlee/Len

When healthy, we're going to have tremendous depth. But we won't be alone in that respect in the west. When healthy, I'd say the Nuggets, Warriors, Grizzlies, and Spurs are all just as deep (I'd also include the Thunder but for that gaping hole at the 2).

I just can't wait to see how good that team is. It looks better to me, but it's really hard to tell if the west improved. I'm not a believer in Dallas, but Denver's going to be better. Golden State added Livingston, butHouston's down a peg. LA swapped Collison for Hawes, but their 2/3 situation doesn't look any better. The Lakers are better, but that's not saying much. Memphis may be better, but Minnesota's worse. New Orleans up with Asik, but the Thunder have a lot of youth developing and should be better. Portland stayed still, Sacramento chased its own tail, while San Antonio decays so slowly its hard to measure. One other team I'm excited to watch is Utah, but they probably won't win much.

The thing about trying to project minutes though... it's silly mostly because of how versatile our roster is. I could see Green on Thomas playing a see-saw with minutes depending on match-ups. Who knows how big a role TJ will play. Tolliver could see a lot of minutes at C on nights where it's clear we need to spread the floor. So averaging those numbers really won't tell us much about what we'll see out there.

Glad I'm not in Phoenix, or the summer would seem to last forever.

I agree. Just role with what the team has. I think the offseason moves of Thomas/Tolliver have the potential to make the team better than Frye/Ish - though I thought both players had very good seasons. Ennis and Warren is more young depth. The Morris brothers, Tucker Plumlee and Green, as they play more, will be more consistent. Hopefully Len and Goodwin can get on the court to improve. Finally, the dynamic duo of Bledsoe and Dragic . Better coaching as Hornacek and staff are in year 2. Right now, I think if healthier, 52-54 wins is do-able.

Last thing, the teams cap shape is great. And once Bledsoe signs, and he will - the Suns should be able to write his contract the benefits their cap this year. Even if it is straightlined each year - no increases. That helps their cap with guys like Tucker and Thomas having larger cap numbers this year. I am pretty sure if Bledsoe signs for 13m - the Suns will have 4m of cap space still.

EIT: Just checked Spotrac and the team has 42.7m now. Ennis will be 1.3, so that is 44m. Bledsoe at $13 makes that 57. So 6m under if the Barbosa cap hold is renounced. Even if some team were to max Bledsoe 4/63 - That is still 3m under the cap

Oh yes, expiring contracts and still plenty of draft picks - the Lakers pick and the two Minnesota second rounders just to add to trades.

Looking bright... Ryan and Babby have done a solid job in 15 months

[BobbieL]

Multiple league sources told FOX Sports Ohio on Friday they are under the impression Love has relayed his desire for a trade to Cleveland to his agent. Love is represented by Jeff Schwartz.

Sources could not say for certain whether Love or Schwartz have made a formal trade request to the Timberwolves. Most believe if such a request is made, the Cavs will be able to obtain Love at a considerably cheaper cost than what is being discussed by the teams.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/26 ... cleveland/

Minny could find better deals from teams willing to trade for him without commitment than any cavs offer without Wiggins. But how dumb Wood Minnesota be if they could have had Wiggins but demanded more and now can no longer get him

I get other teams had what looked to be better offer than the Suns - that is if you believe Wiggins is going to be the next Great SF in the NBA (Marvin Williams was supposed to be that too, the top high school, top freshman and look at him now) - but tthats for debate

I get the Suns offer of Morris twins and Goodwin and Picks is not as sexy as the Bulls - but two rookies, eh; The Cavs trade -unless they can get the Sixers to take on Kevin Martin for Waiters - I am not sure the Twolves would have solved their cap space better than the Suns could have done.

Suns could have given them
Morris Twins
Plumlee or Len
Goodwin
Draft picks

taken back both Barea and Martin I believe.

And before you say what has some of those guys proved. I ask you - what has McDermott proved, what has Mirotic proved, what has Bennett or Thompson from the Cavs proved? Answer, not a thing.

To me - Love to the Cavs only works if the Twolves are able to get Martin to Philly with Dion Waiters and Barea to the Cavs.

[Skillmatic]

Did we signed Ennis? If not, i think there could be a trade with the raps

[bwgood77]

Multiple league sources told FOX Sports Ohio on Friday they are under the impression Love has relayed his desire for a trade to Cleveland to his agent. Love is represented by Jeff Schwartz.

Sources could not say for certain whether Love or Schwartz have made a formal trade request to the Timberwolves. Most believe if such a request is made, the Cavs will be able to obtain Love at a considerably cheaper cost than what is being discussed by the teams.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/26 ... cleveland/

Man Sheridan Hoops says some ridiculous stuff but that is crazy. "Oh, he requested a trade to Cleveland. Well now lets go ahead and make that trade for crap." Yeah, sure.

[Frank Lee]

Sarver had his fun trying to be an owner in the mold of Cuban... But has wisely stepped back and delegated the responsibility of finding the talent and signing the talent to two very shrewd dudes. Remember when he brought on Babby? It was questioned here and almost everywhere.... And then to give the reigns over to a relatively unproven young up and comer like McDo??? Sarver has completely redeemed himself from the folly of the big foam finger chicken dancing headmaster he was.

The so called 'off season' has no time constraints. All the moves made are designed to improve the immediate roster while positioning for yet more moves. Would anyone bet we don't make a mid season deal?

[BobbieL]

Sarver had his fun trying to be an owner in the mold of Cuban... But has wisely stepped back and delegated the responsibility of finding the talent and signing the talent to two very shrewd dudes. Remember when he brought on Babby? It was questioned here and almost everywhere.... And then to give the reigns over to a relatively unproven young up and comer like McDo??? Sarver has completely redeemed himself from the folly of the big foam finger chicken dancing headmaster he was.

The so called 'off season' has no time constraints. All the moves made are designed to improve the immediate roster while positioning for yet more moves. Would anyone bet we don't make a mid season deal?

Suns have draft picks, movable expiring contracts that's aren't bad (meaning the Morris twins, Green are pretty good players and may not be expensive to re-sign and probably 5-6m of cap space depending on the Bledsoe deal to absorb a bad contract. Tolliver only has 400k guaranteed next year Oh yes, younger players like Len, Goodwin, Plumlee, Warren and Ennis on rookie deals

Suns have positioned themselves nicely and didn't do anything stupid and overpay for Gordon Hayward/Chandler Parsons.

I get with three draft picks and the potential for 40m of cap space - the offseason may have had higher hopes - I know I was hoping for a draft day move up and than a big time free agent signing or trade. But have to say, Suns did well. I mean, a helluva lot better than Houston. Houston lost Asik, Lin, Parsons AND a first round draft choice for Trevor Ariza. Think about that one. The Lakers - what did they get Boozer, Lin, and whatever - just enough to probably lose a top 10 pick next year.

[narmenta]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/judefox10/status/493100731486834689[/tweet]

[navysully]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/judefox10/status/493100731486834689[/tweet]

Same logic as "the cops are using laws against me"

[LukasBMW]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/judefox10/status/493100731486834689[/tweet]

Well ****, that's not good.

That's the first clue that he may not hate us, but he also isn't thrilled with our negotiations.

But if he's so confident, then he can use the rules against us and take the qualifying offer and leave us high and dry next season.

Or he could just realize his current market value is $10-$12 mil per season and be happy with our $11-$12 mil per season offer.

[RaisingArizona]

LOL@ Bledsoe.

[PhxSuns1]

Not good. Not good at all.

[carey]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/judefox10/status/493100731486834689[/tweet]

Came to post this as well. I feel like there should be enough dots for the doubters to connect now, right?

[PhxSuns1]

#TeamOrangeJulius

[matt131]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/judefox10/status/493100731486834689[/tweet]

What rules are we using against him? Not overpaying?

[JDLAW]

I'd like to see the context before forming any opinion.

[Scubetrolis]

At my time on this board, I have often noticed some of your fascinations with bringing back former Suns to rejoin our team. I honestly think that some of you would be happy if we brought back Nash, Amare and Marion and tried to recapture that 2005 magic.

There is only one person that needs to return to his old job:








I hate the guy we have now... I think his name is Steve. Hate the girl we have.


BRING BACK TOM!!!!!!!!!!

[ShawnBronald]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/judefox10/status/493100731486834689[/tweet]

What rules are we using against him? Not overpaying?

I know, I wish he'd elaborate. Seems like a dumb comment, but maybe that's just how his agent explained it to him. Either way, a comment like that would seem to imply he's not too thrilled with management and possibly doesn't want to be here.