FJS wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:FJS wrote:Maybe I'm living in another reality or something like that... but I can't believe how KG it's getting so much love.
Everybody is talking how great was in deffense... but his impact it's not translated to great defensive teams, except Boston 08, who had Tony Allen, PJ Brown, a better version of Perkins or James Posey. And Still they went to 7 vs Hawks and Cavs.
Wolves were mediocre defensive team. He is the weakest franchise guy mentioned. Not able to step up in scoring. Being his deffense fantastic... who cares if it doesn't translate into to improve your team.
Do you think that KG in Jazz team in 97 and 98, or in 93 Suns would have done better than Karl or Chuck? In 2011 Mavericks better than Dirk?
Do you really think Spurs in 99, 03, 05 would have done better with him?
Jazz or Spurs were really good in defense for those years.. no doubt. And Suns weren't, but still I don't watch him being a difference.
KG is overrated, pretty overrated. He is a better version of Pippen, a much better version of AK. But Still he is not a top 11 player ever in the NBA.
His impact in the game, and in the history of the game it's not greater than Kobe, Dr J, Malone, Dirk or Barkley.
How didn't his defense improve his team, that pretty much implies that if Garnett wasn't there the Timberwolves would be just as good without him, which I think is a pretty absurd statement.
Also, for the bold players. Tony Allen didn't play, Kendrick Perkins sucks and is a dime a dozen player, PJ Brown was ancient at the time. Why blow off the Celtic feat as if they were stacked with amazing defenders? Compare that team to the recent Memphis Grizzlies team, a team where 4/5 of the starters are all nba defensive caliber players, and they're nowhere near the defense the Celtics were.
Tony allen did not play? 75 games in RS and 15 in PO in 2008. In 2010 he was pretty important.
Yes, he did not play. He played 18 minutes during the RS in 2008, and you mention him playing 15 games in the post season, but fail to mention he average only
4 minutes per game. Most players would call that, not being able to play.
What does 2010 have to do with anything, Garnett wasn't even in his prime, and Tony Allen played even less in 2010. Was he good, yes, but he was underused, hence why he was let go.
If your argument that it is a given that KG and any half decent anchor would have made the all time defense because he had Kendrick Perkins and 18 minutes of Tony Allen, then I think that is pretty flimsy.
Kendrick was a valuable center back in the day (from 2007 to 2010). Now is garbage.
No, Danny Ainge tricked people who don't know better that Perkins is a "valuable center". Perkins has always sucked. There's literally no difference between him and when he was on the Thunder. Do you really want to debate about whether Perkins is good because he was seen as "valuable"? I really doubt you'd win that one.
Rondo was rising, and a pretty good defensive player.
A non lockdown pointguard, a nice plus, hardly a notable reason for having an all time great defense.
The thing is, with KG defense, Wolves were better of course. But with his defense Wolves didn't take the next step.
The next step
with what. With out Garnett, they are a horrible team, with Garnett they were a middling team - with old Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell they were a championship contender. I fail to see how there were no next steps taken. The Timberwolves literally never improved from 2004, didn't get any good free agents and they didn't have draft picks. What are they going to take the next step with?
And with offense either. Who cares about elite defense if your team finished 7 times out in the 1st round playoffs? If your team is not able to play playoff 3 times in a row.
It's like you're purposely ignoring that the Timberwolves were not good, and Garnett was hardly the primary culprit why.
Alex English was an offensive monster and make his team the best offensive team of the league several times in the 80's... but his offense didn't translate into dominate the league.
That's because the Nuggets played one way, and the Nuggets had other good roleplayers.
If anchor a defensive team with two HOF it's so important, we should give Ben Wallace a similar spot. (i'm being ironic, of course)
Strawman argument, and the irony in this post makes little sense.
