Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[Cokeleaf]

If Hinkie can turn Thad Young into a player who has a similar skill set, but is like 6 years younger, and was just the #1 overall pick a year ago, that's pretty good value.

Thad's not going to get you more than a mid-late 1st or in a future draft anyways. Bennett could start next to Noel and become a pretty good player.

Yea if this happens it's an epic win. That is all we do is absorb expiring contracts, trade Young for Bennett and a pick, or two? first round pick would be golden. Our young guys better not be involved in the trade

This is Hinkie we're talking about. You think he'd ever throw a young guy in the deal unless Wiggins was coming back in return?

We don't even know how much Wolves want Thaddeus. I doubt he is a deal breaker which means Hinkie doesn't have as great the trading power as we all hope he does.

If Hinkie likes Bennett then sure, he is probably willing to let one of our young guys go

[Negrodamus]

I'd be happy with Anthony Bennett straight up for Thad let alone picks, HELL YES!

Seriously… There must be something else involved here because Thad would opt out anyway. We gained a great asset for one that was leaving regardless.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Yea if this happens it's an epic win. That is all we do is absorb expiring contracts, trade Young for Bennett and a pick, or two? first round pick would be golden. Our young guys better not be involved in the trade

This is Hinkie we're talking about. You think he'd ever throw a young guy in the deal unless Wiggins was coming back in return?

We don't even know how much Wolves want Thaddeus. I doubt he is a deal breaker which means Hinkie doesn't have as great the trading power as we all hope he does.

If Hinkie likes Bennett then sure, he is probably willing to let one of our young guys go

Very doubtful IMO. Bennett's value isn't exactly the greatest right now after looking like a major bust.

[LloydFree]

I'm not a fan of Anthony Bennett, but if they get him for one year of Thad Young, its a steal. It doesn't matter which contract they take back. The Timberwolves don't have a contract bad enough to mess this trade up.

[freshie2]

Can we please get Waiters and not Bennett. I don't like him. He sucks

And Waiters is...???

Bennett is nice return for Thad if they're set on dealing him...Waiters just doesn't have enough talent for his apparent toxicity.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Have any of our draft picks been signed yet? If we are getting Bennett, it wouldn't surprise me at all if at least one of them is involved in this deal.

Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to Jerami Grant being included if we can turn him and Thad into Bennett plus.

Grant looked completely lost offensively in Summer League unless he was free for a dunk. Awful shooter...even worse ball handler and just looked completely lost offensively as to what he should be doing. I see no potential in someone like him if you are the son of NBA player and you still have no specific skill besides jumping ability. Would make even more sense if the report that we may sign Ronald Roberts Jr. is true(who is basically a clone of Grant, but at least he understands he can't/should't shoot, unlike Grant).

[Agnostifarian]

This article from a few days ago says a CLE 2018 pick is involved...

http://factoryofsadness.co/2014/08/01/k ... -good-bad/

[KKell2507]

I'd be happy with Anthony Bennett straight up for Thad let alone picks, HELL YES!

Seriously… There must be something else involved here because Thad would opt out anyway. We gained a great asset for one that was leaving regardless.

There would be A LOT more involved than just this. Wiggins and Young to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland, and Bennett and picks to Philly doesnt even come close to working out cap wise.

Have to remember that while the SIxers are light years below the salary cap, the Wolves and Cavs are not. They cant just take on or subtract contracts all willy nilly like we can.

Cleveland almost has to include Thompson or Waiters in the deal just to make salaries work. Without them, they cant take on Love's contract while only giving up Wiggins and Bennett. The wolves also cant on Wiggins and Young while only giving up Love. Contracts dont work.

So the actual trade if this does go down will have a lot more players and contracts involved than just what is reported here, which is the main reason why I think we are involved in the first place. The actual full trade would need to be something like this(if it does go down):

Minnesota trades: Kevin Love, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved
Minnesota receives: Andrew Wiggins, Dion Waiters, Thaddeus Young, Whatever picks

Cleveland trades: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Dion Waiters, Whatever picks
Cleveland receives: Kevin Love

Philly trades: Thaddeus Young
Philly receives: Anthony Bennett, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, Whatever picks

Twolves get a hell of a package for Kevin Love and get rid of some salary.
Cavs get there 3rd piece to the "Big 3".
Sixers get a good prospect and some picks for trading there current best player and taking on contracts to allow the entire trade to work.


And yes the Cavs and can trade Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, and picks straight to Minnesota for only Kevin Love. But the interest by the Twolves in Thaddeus Young is where we come in with having to take on a bunch of salary.

[Moses_Doc_83]

I'd be happy with Anthony Bennett straight up for Thad let alone picks, HELL YES!

Seriously… There must be something else involved here because Thad would opt out anyway. We gained a great asset for one that was leaving regardless.

There would be A LOT more involved than just this. Wiggins and Young to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland, and Bennett and picks to Philly doesnt even come close to working out cap wise.

Have to remember that while the SIxers are light years below the salary cap, the Wolves and Cavs are not. They cant just take on or subtract contracts all willy nilly like we can.

Cleveland almost has to include Thompson or Waiters in the deal just to make salaries work. Without them, they cant take on Love's contract while only giving up Wiggins and Bennett. The wolves also cant on Wiggins and Young while only giving up Love. Contracts dont work.

So the actual trade if this does go down will have a lot more players and contracts involved than just what is reported here, which is the main reason why I think we are involved in the first place. The actual full trade would need to be something like this(if it does go down):

Minnesota trades: Kevin Love, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved
Minnesota receives: Andrew Wiggins, Dion Waiters, Thaddeus Young, Whatever picks

Cleveland trades: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Dion Waiters, Whatever picks
Cleveland receives: Kevin Love

Philly trades: Thaddeus Young
Philly receives: Anthony Bennett, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, Whatever picks

Twolves get a hell of a package for Kevin Love and get rid of some salary.
Cavs get there 3rd piece to the "Big 3".
Sixers get a good prospect and some picks for trading there current best player and taking on contracts to allow the entire trade to work.


And yes the Cavs and can trade Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, and picks straight to Minnesota for only Kevin Love. But the interest by the Twolves in Thaddeus Young is where we come in with having to take on a bunch of salary.

Bennett and Wiggins equal about 11m. Love is just under 15m. The money works with just those 3 guys. But apparently Flip loves him some Thad. Time for Hinkie to get freaky.

[Negrodamus]

This is Hinkie we're talking about. You think he'd ever throw a young guy in the deal unless Wiggins was coming back in return?

We don't even know how much Wolves want Thaddeus. I doubt he is a deal breaker which means Hinkie doesn't have as great the trading power as we all hope he does.

If Hinkie likes Bennett then sure, he is probably willing to let one of our young guys go

Very doubtful IMO. Bennett's value isn't exactly the greatest right now after looking like a major bust.

Luckily that was coming off one season following a shoulder surgery and not being in the best shape for an NBA season.

[LloydFree]

Seriously… There must be something else involved here because Thad would opt out anyway. We gained a great asset for one that was leaving regardless.

There would be A LOT more involved than just this. Wiggins and Young to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland, and Bennett and picks to Philly doesnt even come close to working out cap wise.

Have to remember that while the SIxers are light years below the salary cap, the Wolves and Cavs are not. They cant just take on or subtract contracts all willy nilly like we can.

Cleveland almost has to include Thompson or Waiters in the deal just to make salaries work. Without them, they cant take on Love's contract while only giving up Wiggins and Bennett. The wolves also cant on Wiggins and Young while only giving up Love. Contracts dont work.

So the actual trade if this does go down will have a lot more players and contracts involved than just what is reported here, which is the main reason why I think we are involved in the first place. The actual full trade would need to be something like this(if it does go down):

Minnesota trades: Kevin Love, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved
Minnesota receives: Andrew Wiggins, Dion Waiters, Thaddeus Young, Whatever picks

Cleveland trades: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Dion Waiters, Whatever picks
Cleveland receives: Kevin Love

Philly trades: Thaddeus Young
Philly receives: Anthony Bennett, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, Whatever picks

Twolves get a hell of a package for Kevin Love and get rid of some salary.
Cavs get there 3rd piece to the "Big 3".
Sixers get a good prospect and some picks for trading there current best player and taking on contracts to allow the entire trade to work.


And yes the Cavs and can trade Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, and picks straight to Minnesota for only Kevin Love. But the interest by the Twolves in Thaddeus Young is where we come in with having to take on a bunch of salary.

Bennett and Wiggins equal about 11m. Love is just under 15m. The money works with just those 3 guys. But apparently Flip loves him some Thad. Time for Hinkie to get freaky.

The money doesn't match with just those 3 players. Cleveland is short about 1.5 million to make the deal.

[Moses_Doc_83]

There would be A LOT more involved than just this. Wiggins and Young to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland, and Bennett and picks to Philly doesnt even come close to working out cap wise.

Have to remember that while the SIxers are light years below the salary cap, the Wolves and Cavs are not. They cant just take on or subtract contracts all willy nilly like we can.

Cleveland almost has to include Thompson or Waiters in the deal just to make salaries work. Without them, they cant take on Love's contract while only giving up Wiggins and Bennett. The wolves also cant on Wiggins and Young while only giving up Love. Contracts dont work.

So the actual trade if this does go down will have a lot more players and contracts involved than just what is reported here, which is the main reason why I think we are involved in the first place. The actual full trade would need to be something like this(if it does go down):

Minnesota trades: Kevin Love, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved
Minnesota receives: Andrew Wiggins, Dion Waiters, Thaddeus Young, Whatever picks

Cleveland trades: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Dion Waiters, Whatever picks
Cleveland receives: Kevin Love

Philly trades: Thaddeus Young
Philly receives: Anthony Bennett, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, Whatever picks

Twolves get a hell of a package for Kevin Love and get rid of some salary.
Cavs get there 3rd piece to the "Big 3".
Sixers get a good prospect and some picks for trading there current best player and taking on contracts to allow the entire trade to work.


And yes the Cavs and can trade Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, and picks straight to Minnesota for only Kevin Love. But the interest by the Twolves in Thaddeus Young is where we come in with having to take on a bunch of salary.

Bennett and Wiggins equal about 11m. Love is just under 15m. The money works with just those 3 guys. But apparently Flip loves him some Thad. Time for Hinkie to get freaky.

The money doesn't match with just those 3 players. Cleveland is short about 1.5 million to make the deal.

Okay John Lucas' unguaranteed deal makes up that difference. Are we sure that's right though? Seems way high.

[The Sixer Fixer]

The money doesn't match with just those 3 players. Cleveland is short about 1.5 million to make the deal.

The money isn't an issue for Cleveland. They would not need to include anything else of significance. The made a trade just the other week to get 3 players on non-guaranteed deals for inclusion in future trades (based on all reports).

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--c ... 36749.html

I'm fairly certain if they were only sending Bennett and Wiggins for Love it would work anyhow. I think it's fits under the salary matching CBA rules as-is.

[The Sixer Fixer]

And just to confirm my previous post, I did the math and it would work with no other pieces needing to be included by Cleveland (assuming Love was the only player they got in return.

Cleveland is not a tax paying team right now, so the rule is they can acquire 150% of the salaries they send out in the deal. Either that 150% amount OR 100% of outgoing salaries + 5 million (whichever of those 2 is lower).

Bennett (5,563,920) + Wiggins (5,510,640) = 11,074,560

11,074,560 * 150% = 16,611,840
OR
11,074,560 + 5,000,000 = 16,074,560 (this would qualify as the max they can take back since it's lower than the 150% value)

Love = 15,719,062

Works no problem!

[KKell2507]

And just to confirm my previous post, I did the math and it would work with no other pieces needing to be included by Cleveland (assuming Love was the only player they got in return.

Cleveland is not a tax paying team right now, so the rule is they can acquire 150% of the salaries they send out in the deal. Either that 150% amount OR 100% of outgoing salaries + 5 million (whichever of those 2 is lower).

Bennett (5,563,920) + Wiggins (5,510,640) = 11,074,560

11,074,560 * 150% = 16,611,840
OR
11,074,560 + 5,000,000 = 16,074,560 (this would qualify as the max they can take back since it's lower than the 150% value)

Love = 15,719,062

Works no problem!

You are correct. My math was wrong. I also forgot about that recent trade Cleveland made to pick up those non guaranteed deals. Throwing the Sixers into the mix with Thaddeus Young does make the deal a bit more complicated however. We'll see how bad the TWolves really do want him.

[MCtripDub]

So... we looking forward to Sixers winning Rookie of the Year and Most Improved Player this season or what??

[Unbreakable99]

@DarrenWolfson: After correspondence tonight, I do believe that Bennett re-routed to the Sixers is the most likely scenario. #twolves

[BlackKnight]

If the trade ends up being us trading Young for Bennett, picks, and expirings, I'll be super happy.

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[Mr Sixer]

I'd be happy with Anthony Bennett straight up for Thad let alone picks, HELL YES!

Seriously… There must be something else involved here because Thad would opt out anyway. We gained a great asset for one that was leaving regardless.

There would be A LOT more involved than just this. Wiggins and Young to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland, and Bennett and picks to Philly doesnt even come close to working out cap wise.

Have to remember that while the SIxers are light years below the salary cap, the Wolves and Cavs are not. They cant just take on or subtract contracts all willy nilly like we can.

Cleveland almost has to include Thompson or Waiters in the deal just to make salaries work. Without them, they cant take on Love's contract while only giving up Wiggins and Bennett. The wolves also cant on Wiggins and Young while only giving up Love. Contracts dont work.

So the actual trade if this does go down will have a lot more players and contracts involved than just what is reported here, which is the main reason why I think we are involved in the first place. The actual full trade would need to be something like this(if it does go down):

Minnesota trades: Kevin Love, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved
Minnesota receives: Andrew Wiggins, Dion Waiters, Thaddeus Young, Whatever picks

Cleveland trades: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Dion Waiters, Whatever picks
Cleveland receives: Kevin Love

Philly trades: Thaddeus Young
Philly receives: Anthony Bennett, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, Whatever picks

Twolves get a hell of a package for Kevin Love and get rid of some salary.
Cavs get there 3rd piece to the "Big 3".
Sixers get a good prospect and some picks for trading there current best player and taking on contracts to allow the entire trade to work.


And yes the Cavs and can trade Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, and picks straight to Minnesota for only Kevin Love. But the interest by the Twolves in Thaddeus Young is where we come in with having to take on a bunch of salary.

What the hell? How many roster spots do you think we have?

[BlackKnight]

Seriously… There must be something else involved here because Thad would opt out anyway. We gained a great asset for one that was leaving regardless.

There would be A LOT more involved than just this. Wiggins and Young to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland, and Bennett and picks to Philly doesnt even come close to working out cap wise.

Have to remember that while the SIxers are light years below the salary cap, the Wolves and Cavs are not. They cant just take on or subtract contracts all willy nilly like we can.

Cleveland almost has to include Thompson or Waiters in the deal just to make salaries work. Without them, they cant take on Love's contract while only giving up Wiggins and Bennett. The wolves also cant on Wiggins and Young while only giving up Love. Contracts dont work.

So the actual trade if this does go down will have a lot more players and contracts involved than just what is reported here, which is the main reason why I think we are involved in the first place. The actual full trade would need to be something like this(if it does go down):

Minnesota trades: Kevin Love, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved
Minnesota receives: Andrew Wiggins, Dion Waiters, Thaddeus Young, Whatever picks

Cleveland trades: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Dion Waiters, Whatever picks
Cleveland receives: Kevin Love

Philly trades: Thaddeus Young
Philly receives: Anthony Bennett, JJ Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, Whatever picks

Twolves get a hell of a package for Kevin Love and get rid of some salary.
Cavs get there 3rd piece to the "Big 3".
Sixers get a good prospect and some picks for trading there current best player and taking on contracts to allow the entire trade to work.


And yes the Cavs and can trade Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, and picks straight to Minnesota for only Kevin Love. But the interest by the Twolves in Thaddeus Young is where we come in with having to take on a bunch of salary.

What the hell? How many roster spots do you think we have?

We'd probably end up buying out Barea and Shved

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