The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

Post #401 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:59 am

NaturalBuns wrote:Teams made a mistake not going after Monroe IMO.
He will pan out..

Not that I think he's peaked or stopped improving but I do think what you see is likely what you'll get but with better efficiency.

NaturalBuns · Post #402 » by **NaturalBuns** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:04 am

At 24 he has room to improve.
If played at Center and not PF is even better.

Which he will have to settle for PF for one more year.

He can be a 18/10 guy while also being in the elite class of bigs
Who can pass

Revived · Post #403 » by **Revived** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:23 am

NaturalBuns wrote:Teams made a mistake not going after Monroe IMO.
He will pan out..

Dallas should have went after him instead of Parsons.

Zelaznyrules · Post #404 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:15 am

NaturalBuns wrote:Teams made a mistake not going after Monroe IMO.
He will pan out..

At something close to 15 million per? I think if you moved him to center and paired him with a 4 that could stretch the court and provide good help defense, he'd be a nice pickup. I don't think he'd be worth the kind of money Falk is demanding but he could help the right team. But I don't believe we're the right team, with or without Bledsoe. He might have fit with last year's squad though. Channing would have been a decent fit with him. We'd still struggle with Cousins and Randolph (and a few others) but so do most teams and we'd have some matchup advantages too.

gaspar · Post #405 » by **gaspar** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:34 am

Zelaznyrules wrote:
JTrain wrote:
SF88 wrote:If he takes QO, we can't trade him without his permission.

I know but assuming he agrees to it. UFA at the end of the year?

Yes but without his Bird rights intact.

The Suns will still have his Bird rights if he doesn't get traded.

Stix · Post #406 » by **Stix** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:52 am

I'm very optimistic about this season. I think people may be sleeping a bit on Kieff. I think he is due for a breakout season. I also think the FO feels this, so a push for a trade for a big is not important right now. Same thing could happen for Plum. With Bledsoe likely no longer in the mix for any more than 1 season, he becomes a really good piece of trade bait for a team trying to get over the hump and wants to upgrade at PG spot with the best chance to resign him in the offseason. I can see a team like Atlanta or the Pelicans have a breakout season and making a trade for Bledsoe. I definitely wouldn't mind having Jrue Holiday on the team. Jeff Teague to a lesser extent. Both of which are already on decent contracts.

asudevil · Post #407 » by **asudevil** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:49 am

Zero Tolerance wrote:I'm very optimistic about this season. I think people may be sleeping a bit on Kieff. I think he is due for a breakout season. I also think the FO feels this, so a push for a trade for a big is not important right now. Same thing could happen for Plum. With Bledsoe likely no longer in the mix for any more than 1 season, he becomes a really good piece of trade bait for a team trying to get over the hump and wants to upgrade at PG spot with the best chance to resign him in the offseason. I can see a team like Atlanta or the Pelicans have a breakout season and making a trade for Bledsoe. I definitely wouldn't mind having Jrue Holiday on the team. Jeff Teague to a lesser extent. Both of which are already on decent contracts.

The problem is that Bledsoe can veto a trade to any team if he takes his QO. I honestly cannot see him approving a trade to very many teams out there, or very many less desirable destinations taking the gamble on the kid.

Saberestar · Post #408 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:21 am

Paul - why don't the Suns ask Bledsoe where he would be traded for the QO?

Good question. Guess they'd rather use what is left of the time before the QO deadline to see if they can get a contract done.

Well, at least Coro says that we are trying.

Revived · Post #409 » by **Revived** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:36 am

I know we're all annoyed by Bledsoe and his agent but I think without Bledsoe, there's no way we make playoffs or come close to it.

I don't think Isaiah Thomas can help replace him at all. Whatever gain Thomas gives us on the offensive, he will sacrifice it to the other team on the defensive end.

No Bledsoe and we'll be picking #8-#12 next summer imo. Which sucks cause we won't even have a bad enough pick to land a big difference maker from the '15 draft.

sunskerr · Post #410 » by **sunskerr** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:24 am

While it's up in the air whether Bledsoe himself wants to play in Phoenix, the media doesn't want him to. I think from all the reporting on his (Bledsoe's) contract situation, it's clear that they are pushing an agenda to get him to play with the Lakers/LeBron/any other popular choice. Every reporter wants to have their moment in the spotlight to say "I told you so" (thus gaining loyal followers and job security) and ESPN wants those ratings. In truth, there is almost zero financial incentive for any media party to report neutrally on this issue. It's not a good story for Bledsoe to stay in Phoenix and everyone knows it.

I understand this reeks of tin-hatting but we're not dealing with lizard men and eye-pyramids. We're dealing with a sports media that has pushed similar stuff in the past and there is a lot of money to potentially be made.

Jdiddy701 · Post #411 » by **Jdiddy701** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:47 am

Yeah I see 9th seed again without Bledsoe. With him, another surprise season and this time in the playoffs.

Maybe IT will replace him just fine. He has the talent to. Regardless, at least we'll be exciting to watch again.

Really looking forward to all Sacramento games.

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thamadkant · Post #412 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:54 am

Monroe has Spurs written all over him.
Duncan hasn't renewed or extended and is on his last year of his contract. They sign Monroe at near max, resign Leonard at near max, Duncan extends one season to pass the torch to Monroe.

In Popovic's team defense structure, Monroe will be an above average defender, if Diaw, Bonner, Baynes are adequate in that system, imagine a legit 6'11 mobile skilled big man like him.

Probably got spoke to off court or off the record... Why would he re-sign long term with a selfish and disfunctional Pistons team, if he could play for a contender at max or near max money.

aIvin adams · Post #413 » by **aIvin adams** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:17 pm

1UPZ wrote:Monroe has Spurs written all over him.
Duncan hasn't renewed or extended and is on his last year of his contract. They sign Monroe at near max, resign Leonard at near max, Duncan extends one season to pass the torch to Monroe.

In Popovic's team defense structure, Monroe will be an above average defender, if Diaw, Bonner, Baynes are adequate in that system, imagine a legit 6'11 mobile skilled big man like him.

Probably got spoke to off court or off the record... Why would he re-sign long term with a selfish and disfunctional Pistons team, if he could play for a contender at max or near max money.

Diaw's defense is underrated in this post

Post #414 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:21 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Monroe has Spurs written all over him.
Duncan hasn't renewed or extended and is on his last year of his contract. They sign Monroe at near max, resign Leonard at near max, Duncan extends one season to pass the torch to Monroe.

In Popovic's team defense structure, Monroe will be an above average defender, if Diaw, Bonner, Baynes are adequate in that system, imagine a legit 6'11 mobile skilled big man like him.

Probably got spoke to off court or off the record... Why would he re-sign long term with a selfish and disfunctional Pistons team, if he could play for a contender at max or near max money.

Diaw's defense is underrated in this post

Diaw was a huge part of their system. His passing and underrated defense kept them running like a well oiled machine.

tgtm_24 · Post #415 » by **tgtm_24** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:04 pm

I am prepared to organise Josh Childress appreciation day here on the board, when he makes his Aussie debut.

Yes, I'm aware thread will struggle to get past page 1

Superhuman · Post #416 » by **Superhuman** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:59 pm

SF88 wrote:I know we're all annoyed by Bledsoe and his agent but I think without Bledsoe, there's no way we make playoffs or come close to it.

I don't think Isaiah Thomas can help replace him at all. Whatever gain Thomas gives us on the offensive, he will sacrifice it to the other team on the defensive end.

No Bledsoe and we'll be picking #8-#12 next summer imo. Which sucks cause we won't even have a bad enough pick to land a big difference maker from the '15 draft.

I agree. It'll be hard watching Dragic or IT try to contain point guards like cp3, Curry, Lillard, Parker, Rose, etc. Bledsoe gave us that unique dynamic of slashing and defense that worked so well last season. His contraction situation truly sucks and he may look like a big douche, but we'll need him to make the POs.

There's still a chance we surprise again and make the playoffs without him, but in the west that's gotten even stronger it is unlikely.

spanishninja · Post #417 » by **spanishninja** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:11 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Yeah I see 9th seed again without Bledsoe. With him, another surprise season and this time in the playoffs.

Maybe IT will replace him just fine. He has the talent to. Regardless, at least we'll be exciting to watch again.

Really looking forward to all Sacramento games.

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we're not going to be without bledsoe this season. in fact we will see how good he is if he takes QO because he will be busting ass trying to get that max.

aIvin adams · Post #418 » by **aIvin adams** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:32 pm

It's gonna be very hard for the suns to make the POs even w a healthy Bledsoe. Everything broke our way last year, and there's still 8 teams in our conference which look better on paper than our beloved Suns.

But, who cares. Anyone who thought the suns had a shot at the POs last year were prolly lambasted as stupid homers, yet they were right.

So this year, imma try to let the stupid homerism flow strong in my preseason veins

Zelaznyrules · Post #419 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:19 pm

aIvin adams wrote:It's gonna be very hard for the suns to make the POs even w a healthy Bledsoe. Everything broke our way last year, and there's still 8 teams in our conference which look better on paper than our beloved Suns.

But, who cares. Anyone who thought the suns had a shot at the POs last year were prolly lambasted as stupid homers, yet they were right.

So this year, imma try to let the stupid homerism flow strong in my preseason veins

If Bledsoe returns I think the issue for the playoffs will revolve around how well the Morris twins can replace Frye. The Ish to Isaiah move is a huge upgrade. Bledsoe for a full season vs half a season is a huge upgrade. But losing Channing is our unknown. All I know is we were a lot of fun to watch last season, I hope we recapture that part of our recent past.

RunDogGun · Post #420 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:30 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:It's gonna be very hard for the suns to make the POs even w a healthy Bledsoe. Everything broke our way last year, and there's still 8 teams in our conference which look better on paper than our beloved Suns.

But, who cares. Anyone who thought the suns had a shot at the POs last year were prolly lambasted as stupid homers, yet they were right.

So this year, imma try to let the stupid homerism flow strong in my preseason veins

If Bledsoe returns I think the issue for the playoffs will revolve around how well the Morris twins can replace Frye. The Ish to Isaiah move is a huge upgrade. Bledsoe for a full season vs half a season is a huge upgrade. But losing Channing is our unknown. All I know is we were a lot of fun to watch last season, I hope we recapture that part of our recent past.

A healthy Len should help as well. If Warren is NBA ready, that could be a huge boost to our bench as well. Still a lot of questions, but they should be just as interesting as last season.