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[Kaled]

I wanna know someones opinion on Kelly Oubre? Is he a blue chip prospect or just another guy?

[ManualRam]

I wanna know someones opinion on Kelly Oubre? Is he a blue chip prospect or just another guy?

his tools are fantastic. his IQ is not.
prototype wing in terms of dimensions and athleticism, but he needs more skill. he's not quick off the bounce, doesn't have a great handle relying more so on long strides, strength and leaping ability. he used to be more of a shooter, but as he's developed a more aggressive mentality has come questionable shot selection. he can be very streaky from the outside in large part because he takes contested shots. he can play with blinders on too.

as with all athletic specimens with prototype size his defensive potential is high. his motor is strange. he can look super competitive and intense or can he can play very relaxed, not much in b/t. he can really get after it on defense and make plays on that end when he's locked in.

[ManualRam]

i've only watched him play 3 times, maybe 4 in passing. his aau team wasn't one i sought to watch because they weren't that talented. his HS team was televised a couple of times on espn, including a matchup with montverde.
i probably can't add more to what you've already read. he's an athletic slasher with long arms. aggressive, attacks on 2ndary breaks and knows how to draw fouls. can make plays but is a bit TO prone. supposedly he's improved his shot, but i don't think it's a strength of his yet. i think he leans forward a little too much on his shot. could work on his handle, not forcing the issue so much and coughing the ball up, but that comes with players as aggressive as he is. has very good defensive potential though. i see a little oladipo in is game. he's a better athlete than he is skill-wise.

manual, I apologize because i know this is off topic, but what is your opinion of tobias harris?

i liked him quite a bit when he was coming up. he always had that tweener frame and for the longest time looked like an undersized PF in the making. he's still a little top heavy and that's just his natural build, but he's gotten in much better shape. i liked him more when he was more of an all-around player. he used to be a fantastic passer with a very good floor game coming up, often used as a pinch post hub who could look for his own offense or run cutters off of. he has since become more of a single minded scorer, which... i never understand that progression in a player. i think he idolizes melo and tried to emulate his game (not passing and all).

i still like him a little. mid-high teens scorer on a decent to good team. matches up well as a small ball 4. i don't know if he'll ever become an average defender bc of his tweener physical attributes. he could be better suited as an instant offense 6th man scorer off the bench where the coach can pick and choose his matchups. i do like his ft line extended and mid post face up game. its a little melo-esque how he can just shed defenders and create space with his strength.

[Orlwillbeback]

i've only watched him play 3 times, maybe 4 in passing. his aau team wasn't one i sought to watch because they weren't that talented. his HS team was televised a couple of times on espn, including a matchup with montverde.
i probably can't add more to what you've already read. he's an athletic slasher with long arms. aggressive, attacks on 2ndary breaks and knows how to draw fouls. can make plays but is a bit TO prone. supposedly he's improved his shot, but i don't think it's a strength of his yet. i think he leans forward a little too much on his shot. could work on his handle, not forcing the issue so much and coughing the ball up, but that comes with players as aggressive as he is. has very good defensive potential though. i see a little oladipo in is game. he's a better athlete than he is skill-wise.

manual, I apologize because i know this is off topic, but what is your opinion of tobias harris?

i liked him quite a bit when he was coming up. he always had that tweener frame and for the longest time looked like an undersized PF in the making. he's still a little top heavy and that's just his natural build, but he's gotten in much better shape. i liked him more when he was more of an all-around player. he used to be a fantastic passer with a very good floor game coming up, often used as a pinch post hub who could look for his own offense or run cutters off of. he has since become more of a single minded scorer, which... i never understand that progression in a player. i think he idolizes melo and tried to emulate his game (not passing and all).

i still like him a little. mid-high teens scorer on a decent to good team. matches up well as a small ball 4. i don't know if he'll ever become an average defender bc of his tweener physical attributes. he could be better suited as an instant offense 6th man scorer off the bench where the coach can pick and choose his matchups. i do like his ft line extended and mid post face up game. its a little melo-esque how he can just shed defenders and create space with his strength.

thank manual, always love reading your synopsis of players,

I agree on that bit on tobias though, definitely more of a designated scorer mentality now.

[Kaled]

I wanna know someones opinion on Kelly Oubre? Is he a blue chip prospect or just another guy?

his tools are fantastic. his IQ is not.
prototype wing in terms of dimensions and athleticism, but he needs more skill. he's not quick off the bounce, doesn't have a great handle relying more so on long strides, strength and leaping ability. he used to be more of a shooter, but as he's developed a more aggressive mentality has come questionable shot selection. he can be very streaky from the outside in large part because he takes contested shots. he can play with blinders on too.

as with all athletic specimens with prototype size his defensive potential is high. his motor is strange. he can look super competitive and intense or can he can play very relaxed, not much in b/t. he can really get after it on defense and make plays on that end when he's locked in.

Thanks a lot for the info Manual, i always enjoy reading your player analysis. Anyways, theres another thing i wanted to ask you about Oubre since i only know about him from highlights. Do you think he can become a better prospect at the collegiate level than Wiggins?

[Big_C_KU]

I wanna know someones opinion on Kelly Oubre? Is he a blue chip prospect or just another guy?

his tools are fantastic. his IQ is not.
prototype wing in terms of dimensions and athleticism, but he needs more skill. he's not quick off the bounce, doesn't have a great handle relying more so on long strides, strength and leaping ability. he used to be more of a shooter, but as he's developed a more aggressive mentality has come questionable shot selection. he can be very streaky from the outside in large part because he takes contested shots. he can play with blinders on too.

as with all athletic specimens with prototype size his defensive potential is high. his motor is strange. he can look super competitive and intense or can he can play very relaxed, not much in b/t. he can really get after it on defense and make plays on that end when he's locked in.

Thanks a lot for the info Manual, i always enjoy reading your player analysis. Anyways, theres another thing i wanted to ask you about Oubre since i only know about him from highlights. Do you think he can become a better prospect at the collegiate level than Wiggins?

A better NBA prospect? Doubtful. Oubre is a stronger finisher around the rim, especially through contact. He's also a little more consistent perimeter shooter at similar stage. That is honestly all he has on Wiggins. Wiggins is more athletic, taller, longer, quicker, better mid-range game, better on-ball defender, and his shooting form is stronger which leads to believe Wiggins could be just as good, or better, of a shooter as Oubre long term.

[ManualRam]

I wanna know someones opinion on Kelly Oubre? Is he a blue chip prospect or just another guy?

his tools are fantastic. his IQ is not.
prototype wing in terms of dimensions and athleticism, but he needs more skill. he's not quick off the bounce, doesn't have a great handle relying more so on long strides, strength and leaping ability. he used to be more of a shooter, but as he's developed a more aggressive mentality has come questionable shot selection. he can be very streaky from the outside in large part because he takes contested shots. he can play with blinders on too.

as with all athletic specimens with prototype size his defensive potential is high. his motor is strange. he can look super competitive and intense or can he can play very relaxed, not much in b/t. he can really get after it on defense and make plays on that end when he's locked in.

Thanks a lot for the info Manual, i always enjoy reading your player analysis. Anyways, theres another thing i wanted to ask you about Oubre since i only know about him from highlights. Do you think he can become a better prospect at the collegiate level than Wiggins?

its possible. there will be less pressure for him to be an immediate success at the college level. i think there will be better experience and more scoring talent around him this yr compared to what wiggins had. i expect them to be a balanced scoring team so maybe the volume won't be there. oubre does have a couple of things over wiggins at the same stage though. he has a more aggressive mentality which helps in some areas (attacking, drawing fouls, looks for his own offense) but can hurt in others (shot selection. efficiency?, forcing the issue). oubre is also stronger at the same stage which could lead to him being the better finisher around the rim and through contact.

[Marcus]

http://www.nbadraft.net/10-things-we-learned-u17-world-championships-dubai

some interesting statements made in that article.

There is a lot of talent in the Junior Class for the NBA. Arguably, Team USA's top 2 prospects were rising juniors Harry Giles and Josh Jackson, and with the way that they played, you could even make a case for junior Jayson Tatum over Ivan Rabb or any of the other Seniors as the team's third best talent.

From an NBA scouting perspective, Harry Giles stole the show. He's is not only back from his terrible knee injury, he's really, really good. After seeing sophomore DeAndre Ayton in Las Vegas at the LeBron James Skills Academy, you cannot convince me there's anyone in high school with as much long term potential, but Giles along with Ben Simmons are the closest. Giles' combination of agility and power make him a potential superstar in the NBA. He showed a smooth J from mid range and the strength and athleticism to take the ball inside and dunk over opponents through contact. I'm not sure how anyone that attended this event could endorse taking Jahlil Okafor over Giles if both were eligible for the same draft. This guy looked like a future #1 overall pick (2017) in Dubai.

[ManualRam]

http://www.nbadraft.net/10-things-we-learned-u17-world-championships-dubai

some interesting statements made in that article.

There is a lot of talent in the Junior Class for the NBA. Arguably, Team USA's top 2 prospects were rising juniors Harry Giles and Josh Jackson, and with the way that they played, you could even make a case for junior Jayson Tatum over Ivan Rabb or any of the other Seniors as the team's third best talent.

From an NBA scouting perspective, Harry Giles stole the show. He's is not only back from his terrible knee injury, he's really, really good. After seeing sophomore DeAndre Ayton in Las Vegas at the LeBron James Skills Academy, you cannot convince me there's anyone in high school with as much long term potential, but Giles along with Ben Simmons are the closest. Giles' combination of agility and power make him a potential superstar in the NBA. He showed a smooth J from mid range and the strength and athleticism to take the ball inside and dunk over opponents through contact. I'm not sure how anyone that attended this event could endorse taking Jahlil Okafor over Giles if both were eligible for the same draft. This guy looked like a future #1 overall pick (2017) in Dubai.

for a player who was touted for his high IQ and for someone who fashions himself as a PG, i thought tatum looked selfish. he wasn't the only culprit, but once the ball touched his hands he looked to catch and hold, seemingly rarely passing. even on fast breaks where they had numbers, tatum looked to take it himself ignoring the open wings. i'm still not impressed by his athleticism either. also, looked like his range is more mid to long 2 than 3 ball.

giles looked good but he still didn't look fully back from his injury. there were a few times where it looked like he didnt have his legs under him and didnt trust his explosion. like on a completely open dunk opportunity on a fast break he looked like he blew a tire and couldn't get up over the rim. it'll probably still take him some time to full recover from that injury, but i still dont see the quickness and explosion that i saw pre-injury. the majority of his buckets were of the putback variety but he had to gather to explode off of 2 feet every single time. his skill level is very good though. i didnt see much back to the basket stuff, but his interior passing was the best on the team and his jumper is just beautiful for a big his age, very picturesque form.

same age, same draft idk about taking him over okafor though. okafor was more dominant at this same setting, showing the skill and ability to be played through as opposed to being a complementary piece, cleaning up messes, but we'll see what giles looks like if/when he gets back physically to what he was. i don't think he's there yet.

[Marcus]

for a player who was touted for his high IQ and for someone who fashions himself as a PG, i thought tatum looked selfish. he wasn't the only culprit, but once the ball touched his hands he looked to catch and hold, seemingly rarely passing. even on fast breaks where they had numbers, tatum looked to take it himself ignoring the open wings. i'm still not impressed by his athleticism either. also, looked like his range is more mid to long 2 than 3 ball.

giles looked good but he still didn't look fully back from his injury. there were a few times where it looked like he didnt have his legs under him and didnt trust his explosion. like on a completely open dunk opportunity on a fast break he looked like he blew a tire and couldn't get up over the rim. it'll probably still take him some time to full recover from that injury, but i still dont see the quickness and explosion that i saw pre-injury. the majority of his buckets were of the putback variety but he had to gather to explode off of 2 feet every single time. his skill level is very good though. i didnt see much back to the basket stuff, but his interior passing was the best on the team and his jumper is just beautiful for a big his age, very picturesque form.

same age, same draft idk about taking him over okafor though. okafor was more dominant at this same setting, showing the skill and ability to be played through as opposed to being a complementary piece, cleaning up messes, but we'll see what giles looks like if/when he gets back physically to what he was. i don't think he's there yet.

did u checkout the rest of the article? what are your thoughts on what was said about Jamal Murray and the Japanese kid Riu Machimura (calling him a japanese Greek Freak)

[B-Ball Freak]

So in terms of potential, Ayton is the most intriguing prospect?

[Marcus]

So in terms of potential, Ayton is the most intriguing prospect?

that's the general opinion. good tools and developing skillset, good size 6'10" 220 as a high school freshman.

[B-Ball Freak]

So in terms of potential, Ayton is the most intriguing prospect?

that's the general opinion. good tools and developing skillset, good size 6'10" 220 as a high school freshman.

Is Ayton what you could classify as a potential generational talent?

[Marcus]

So in terms of potential, Ayton is the most intriguing prospect?

that's the general opinion. good tools and developing skillset, good size 6'10" 220 as a high school freshman.

Is Ayton what you could classify as a potential generational talent?

I can't call that I haven't seen enough of the kid. Hoping to see him live down in Diego sometime this season.

I think ManRam might have actually seen stuff outside of highlights.

Don't really know about generational, but he supposed to be really really good. Considered by many to be the best high school prospect regardless of class (and that stretches back to Okafor's recent grad class too). so obviously that's pretty intriguing we'll see how he develops though.

[ManualRam]

for a player who was touted for his high IQ and for someone who fashions himself as a PG, i thought tatum looked selfish. he wasn't the only culprit, but once the ball touched his hands he looked to catch and hold, seemingly rarely passing. even on fast breaks where they had numbers, tatum looked to take it himself ignoring the open wings. i'm still not impressed by his athleticism either. also, looked like his range is more mid to long 2 than 3 ball.

giles looked good but he still didn't look fully back from his injury. there were a few times where it looked like he didnt have his legs under him and didnt trust his explosion. like on a completely open dunk opportunity on a fast break he looked like he blew a tire and couldn't get up over the rim. it'll probably still take him some time to full recover from that injury, but i still dont see the quickness and explosion that i saw pre-injury. the majority of his buckets were of the putback variety but he had to gather to explode off of 2 feet every single time. his skill level is very good though. i didnt see much back to the basket stuff, but his interior passing was the best on the team and his jumper is just beautiful for a big his age, very picturesque form.

same age, same draft idk about taking him over okafor though. okafor was more dominant at this same setting, showing the skill and ability to be played through as opposed to being a complementary piece, cleaning up messes, but we'll see what giles looks like if/when he gets back physically to what he was. i don't think he's there yet.

did u checkout the rest of the article? what are your thoughts on what was said about Jamal Murray and the Japanese kid Riu Machimura (calling him a japanese Greek Freak)

i just skimmed over it. i try not to read any .net articles where their opinion is given.

i have seen more of jamal murray and i thought he was impressive. he's not the quickest PG, doesn't turn the corner easily, isn't the highest leaper either, but he's long, rangy, smart. can play on or off the ball. plays at a great pace. secure ball-handler. not the most creative, but he's secure. he knows how to use ball screens. plays with good intensity on defense and has a really nice pull up game. his rls is a little low but he doesn't need much time at all to get his shot off.
just by viewing him at the hoop summit he looked more like a combo guard, but upon subsequent viewings from the u17 tourney, he left no doubt that he can be a point. he's a really smart player. i guess some concerns about him are that he's just an average to slightly above avg athlete and his release makes it a bit easier to contest his shot, but overall i like what i saw. i was impressed by his floor game. he'll probably get some comparisons to tyler ennis because of his maturity, poise and the fact that he's canadian, but i think he has a bit more potential because of his size and ability to get his own shot.

i didn't see much of the japanese kid outside the little bit i saw of him vs USA (did not watch the entire game bc it was such a huge mismatch). i didnt think he was all that impressive. he was basically the only kid on their team with an inkling of talent. yeah he's got long arms and he's fairly athletic (didn't look exceptional to me, just above average.) he played as a big and his ball skills were more that of a big despite him having wing size. he basically had the ultimate green light. flashed an ability to get his own shot from mid to long 2 range, decent looking stroke but otherwise i didnt see anything too notable. he looked like a shorter, less athletic travis outlaw or smth like that.

[reanimator]

I saw an expert compare Jayson Tatum to Evan Turner then ranked him #1 in 2016

[EMG518]

Between the Fiba U17s and Under Armour Elite 24 I have actually seen alot of these guys play finally. Real nice that espn is starting to make these type of games more accessible. Players I personally liked were Thon Maker, Harry Giles, Chase Jeter, Stephen Zimmerman, Diamond Stone, Henry Ellenson, Jaylen Brown, Derek Jones, Mustapha Heron, Malik Newman, Dennis Smith, and Juwan Evans.

[Marcus]

Between the Fiba U17s and Under Armour Elite 24 I have actually seen alot of these guys play finally. Real nice that espn is starting to make these type of games more accessible. Players I personally liked were Thon Maker, Harry Giles, Chase Jeter, Stephen Zimmerman, Diamond Stone, Henry Ellenson, Jaylen Brown, Derek Jones, Mustapha Heron, Malik Newman, Dennis Smith, and Juwan Evans.

Terrance Ferguson was very impressive to me. Even without the expanded skillset he can have a nice career in the league as a 3&D guy and that athleticism is pretty crazy.

Jaylen looks like a complete beast at this level can't wait to see him in the league.

Loved Harry Giles' passing ability too. very good vision for his size

Ellenson was disappointing.

Malik Newman looks like a bucket getter at all levels

Jayson Tatum looked good at times, wasn't locked in as much as I expected him to be though.

[ManualRam]

for some reason i thought it'd be interesting to tune into the UA elite 24 game because of the mix of players from different classes but i got about 10 min into it before i turned it off.
amazing setting, uninteresting basketball.

[EMG518]

Between the Fiba U17s and Under Armour Elite 24 I have actually seen alot of these guys play finally. Real nice that espn is starting to make these type of games more accessible. Players I personally liked were Thon Maker, Harry Giles, Chase Jeter, Stephen Zimmerman, Diamond Stone, Henry Ellenson, Jaylen Brown, Derek Jones, Mustapha Heron, Malik Newman, Dennis Smith, and Juwan Evans.

Terrance Ferguson was very impressive to me. Even without the expanded skillset he can have a nice career in the league as a 3&D guy and that athleticism is pretty crazy.

Jaylen looks like a complete beast at this level can't wait to see him in the league.

Loved Harry Giles' passing ability too. very good vision for his size

Ellenson was disappointing.

Malik Newman looks like a bucket getter at all levels

Jayson Tatum looked good at times, wasn't locked in as much as I expected him to be though.

Ferguson seems kinds of small to be a good defender at the higher levels to me. No doubt he is athletic and has a jice shot as well. Feels like a back end 1st rounder to me.

I love Giles as well, top 10 for me out of the next 3 draft classes.

Ellenson I think needs to imrpove his jumper but he is skilled, moves well and rebounds well.

Malik Newman is a beast, really like his ability score, nice body and body control allowing him to finish around the basket.

Dont really like Tatum, skilled guy, kind of your jack of all trades who doesnt do any one thing reall well and doesnt have the athleticism,of alot of these other guys.