Jazzfan1971 and FloppyMoose's Offseason Preview - Jazz

Post #61 » by **jazzfan1971** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:15 am

I think he could potentially be a near 20/10 guy. Scoring and rebounding are his things. Problem is that you wouldn't get much else from him. Not much defense, passing, shot blocking, steals, or even good efficiency.

Post #62 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:31 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:I think he could potentially be a near 20/10 guy. Scoring and rebounding are his things. Problem is that you wouldn't get much else from him. Not much defense, passing, shot blocking, steals, or even good efficiency.

And he'd have to have a very forgiving coach.

jazzed77 · Post #63 » by **jazzed77** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:03 am

Kanter seems to have become a popular whipping boy for Jazz fans in the past year. I'm still a big fan and think alot of people will be eating crow this year. Kanter does have decent range, reportedly all the way out to 3pt land unfortunately he's also the only Jazz big that has any kind of post moves. Favors "moves" consist of powering to the hoop for the most part.

As for not trading Big Al or Sap I think the Jazz made the mistake of thinking they had a real chance at the playoffs. People act like this year was some kind of proof that the Jazz should have kept both and they would have been successful but they'd already gone that route and it obviously didn't work out. Sap had a great year but he still really can't guard a position, he's just active which people mistake for effective. If you're gonna have a PF that can only score and rebound why not go for the younger one with more potential in Kanter?

EireannX · Post #64 » by **EireannX** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:08 am

LloydFree wrote:So let me get this straight. The Jazz let Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap walk for nothing, but the 76ers management is an abomination for trading Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes for 2nd round picks?

The Jazz got two unprotected firsts for the capspace that they got from letting the two walk. That's far better than two second round picks.

sca · Post #65 » by **sca** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:25 am

Catchall wrote:
StocktonShorts wrote:Over-under: 29 wins.

I'll take the over. People aren't ready for what Burks, Kanter, Favors and Gobert are going to do this year. Jazz have as much talent on the floor as Denver.

I just don't see it.

Lawson >> Burke
Afflalo >> Burks
Gallinari > Hayward
Faried >> Favors
McGee > Kanter
Nuggets bench >> Jazz bench

Dupp · Post #66 » by **Dupp** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:39 am

sca wrote:
Catchall wrote:
StocktonShorts wrote:Over-under: 29 wins.

I'll take the over. People aren't ready for what Burks, Kanter, Favors and Gobert are going to do this year. Jazz have as much talent on the floor as Denver.

I just don't see it.

Lawson >> Burke
Afflalo >> Burks
Gallinari > Hayward
Faried >> Favors
McGee > Kanter
Nuggets bench >> Jazz bench

Faried is fastly becoming one of the most overrated players in the league.

sca · Post #67 » by **sca** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:56 am

Dupp wrote:
sca wrote:
Catchall wrote:
I'll take the over. People aren't ready for what Burks, Kanter, Favors and Gobert are going to do this year. Jazz have as much talent on the floor as Denver.

I just don't see it.

Lawson >> Burke
Afflalo >> Burks
Gallinari > Hayward
Faried >> Favors
McGee > Kanter
Nuggets bench >> Jazz bench

Faried is fastly becoming one of the most overrated players in the league.

OK, make that one greater sign instead of two. Doesn't invalidate my point.

Post #68 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:54 pm

EireannX wrote:
LloydFree wrote:So let me get this straight. The Jazz let Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap walk for nothing, but the 76ers management is an abomination for trading Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes for 2nd round picks?

The Jazz got two unprotected firsts for the capspace that they got from letting the two walk. That's far better than two second round picks.

The cap space was something they had afterwards. Similarly the Sixers have cap sapce right now, the season after also. If you want to compare what each team does with it is cap space, then you can argue Utah used it better (although Philly's hasn't been used yet).

However, if the comparison is what they got for the players, Philly got something and Utah kept them for a playoff run that didn't happen.

Post #69 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:22 pm

To me the biggest unknown with the Jazz is the gap between Corbin's coaching and Quin Snyder's coaching.

That gap could be enormous or it could be disappointingly small.

Catchall · Post #70 » by **Catchall** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:08 pm

Wow. Here's my take...

Lawson > Burke
Afflalo = Burks, and I'd rather have Burks at this stage of their careers
Gallinari << Hayward, especially considering the injury history
Faried < Favors -- Faried looks great until he matches up with Favors. Faried is an energy player, not a defensive presence or post presence; Nuggets have quietly been looking to trade him for the past 8 months.
McGee << Kanter -- Kanter is a much better scorer, not a rim protector though, but Kanter's really a PF

Denver's bench last year >>> Utah's bench last year. That's how Utah was able to stay in the tank race.

Will be great to see these teams play this year.

sca · Post #71 » by **sca** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:26 pm

Catchall wrote:Wow. Here's my take...

Lawson > Burke
Afflalo = Burks, and I'd rather have Burks at this stage of their careers
Gallinari << Hayward, especially considering the injury history
Faried < Favors -- Faried looks great until he matches up with Favors. Faried is an energy player, not a defensive presence or post presence; Nuggets have quietly been looking to trade him for the past 8 months.
McGee << Kanter -- Kanter is a much better scorer, not a rim protector though, but Kanter's really a PF

Denver's bench last year >>> Utah's bench last year. That's how Utah was able to stay in the tank race.

Will be great to see these teams play this year.

You can't be serious. I mean, Lawson is only slightly better than Burke, but Hayward is so much better than Gallinari? In which universe? And McGee & Kanter is like dumb and dumber, at least McGee has proven that he can be part of a successful team. Not to mention that he's more athletic, a better defender, and his WS/48 and PER all triumph Kanter's.

I haven't even mentioned the most bizarre thing in your statement, which is comparing Burks to Afflalo, a near all star caliber player and somehow coming to the conclusion that they're about equal.

You're basically comparing baby Jazz with a core which, when healthy, has managed to win 57 games in the West.

Post #72 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:41 pm

sca wrote:You're basically comparing baby Jazz with a core which, when healthy, has managed to win 57 games in the West.

So are you predicting the Nuggets will win 57 games this year if they're healthy?

sca · Post #73 » by **sca** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:44 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:
sca wrote:You're basically comparing baby Jazz with a core which, when healthy, has managed to win 57 games in the West.

So are you predicting the Nuggets will win 57 games this year if they're healthy?

I think it'll be very difficult for them to stay healthy and even if they do, the West seems to have improved quite a bit. I'd say their ceiling is about 50-55 wins. They'll definitely be in the play-off picture if they are healthy, IMO. And while I like Utah's core I can't say the same thing for them as of now.

PG Lawson / Robinson / Green
SG Afflalo / Foye / Harris
SF Gallinari / Chandler / Miller
PF Faried / Hickson / Arthur
C Mozgov / McGee / Nurkic

Just like always, they probably have the deepest team in the league and solid starters all around. Last year was their first losing season in 11 years, and they probably were the most injury ridden team in the league.

edit: Even without Gallinari, Afflalo and McGee, they were 29-33 when Lawson played last year.

rockmanslim · Post #74 » by **rockmanslim** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:09 pm

in your post you should put links to all your other team previews to make them easier to find.

Catchall · Post #75 » by **Catchall** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:20 am

I was comparing the Jazz to the Nuggets team that missed the POs last year, not the George Karl COTY season.

John Murdoch · Post #76 » by **John Murdoch** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:59 am

I dont understand what people see in Trey Burke...honestly he reminds me of Andrew Goudelock and is likely to be a journeyman backup after his contract is over

RollingWave · Post #77 » by **RollingWave** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:43 am

John Murdoch wrote:I dont understand what people see in Trey Burke...honestly he reminds me of Andrew Goudelock and is likely to be a journeyman backup after his contract is over

Difference is that Trey can actually pass the ball.

There was a stretch in the middle of the Jazz season last year where they were roughly a .500 team, granted, the points differential was still bad and the schedule was relatively easy, but they did beat a few pretty good teams in the process ( OKC and Houston etc.)

I don't know where they'll be this year, I guess still quite bad since the experience level on the team is still very poor. I'd think they still finish behind the Lakers due to the relative difference in experience level.

Xsy · Post #78 » by **Xsy** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:54 am

John Murdoch wrote:I dont understand what people see in Trey Burke...honestly he reminds me of Andrew Goudelock and is likely to be a journeyman backup after his contract is over

The hype with Burke is that he's already ridiculously poised, and very clutch.

His size and speed are still a huge downer. He has a great offensive arsenal, and uses angles really well, so he's still able to score without the speed and size, but he's still a defensive liability.

I see him being a backup PG when it's all said and done, but he'll be a solid **** backup.