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The Trade Thread - v2

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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#701 » by coordinator0 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 10:32 pm

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87

Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the 1982 trade mentioned above) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.


Detroit can trade their 2015 first round pick if they want to. I highly doubt they do though. The only player Boston has that would probably require it in a Monroe sign-and-trade is Rondo but I doubt the Pistons are interested in him (especially if it meant keeping Smith around to get him to re-sign).
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#702 » by The Penguin » Thu Aug 7, 2014 11:06 pm

Phenomenonsense wrote:
The Penguin wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:We can't trade a 2015 first rounder (without acquiring another first from another team) since we lost our pick this year and no team may go two years without having a first.

That being said, I would want a deal centered around: Monroe for Green and Olynyk. I don't care about Rondo, if he wants to be here we can sign him next year. Getting Jose in a trade certainly didn't help us any. I would also be open to any suggestions that add jennings to the deal.



Yes, we can trade the '15 1st. New Orleans traded their '13, '14 & '15 1sts for Jrue Holiday and Asik.


No they didn't.

Edited for rudeness.



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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#703 » by sfballa13 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:43 pm

What about a three way deal with the Celtics and Lakers?

Lakers get: Monroe (12.7M / year), Bynum
Celtics get: Smith, Singler
Pistons get: Randle, Nash, Green, Bass, Zeller

Lakers have Jordan Hill - Boozer - Ed Davis to hold down the PF spot. They get Monroe and a proper backup PG for Randle and Nash.

Lin / Bynum
Kobe / Young
Johnson / Henry
Hill - Boozer / Davis
Monroe / Sacre

Celtics hope that Smith will convince Rondo to stay in Boston and this trade will at least make their team somewhat entertaining to watch next season

Rondo / Smart
Bradley / Thornton - Bogans
Turner / Singler
Smith / Sullinger
Olynyk / Faverani

Pistons dump Smith for expiring deals (Nash and Bass) and pick up a starting SF, a young PF, and a back up C. We can buy out Nash or keep him on and hope he teaches Jennings a few things. Randle and Drummond would look really nice together.

Jennings / Augustin - Nash
Meeks / KCP
Green / Butler - Martin
Randle / Bass
Drummond / Zeller
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#704 » by SamFlow » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:45 pm

pekovic and rubio
for
monroe and jennings.
...

Detroit upgrades at pg
Detroit downgrades at pf/c due to age, but talent about the same.

t'wolves
Upgrade at youth for a rebuild at center (monroe is not a pf)
and stat wise upgrade, but really slight downgrade for the rebuild instead of having to pay rubio a huge contract.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#705 » by sc8581 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:26 pm

BigDaddyJungle wrote:pekovic and rubio
for
monroe and jennings.
...

Detroit upgrades at pg
Detroit downgrades at pf/c due to age, but talent about the same.

t'wolves
Upgrade at youth for a rebuild at center (monroe is not a pf)
and stat wise upgrade, but really slight downgrade for the rebuild instead of having to pay rubio a huge contract.


I don't see Minnesota doing that deal, Pekovic and Monroe are basically the same player.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#706 » by ChipButty » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:26 pm

Lots of talk about a Moose for Bledsoe trade, but do we really need to trade Moose to get Bledsoe?

I don't like the idea of trading KCP, and in some ways I think it makes more sense to just trade Monroe, but I think KCP, JJ, Bynum, and a protected 1st would also be a very strong offer.

or maybe we could work something like:

Lakers Get:
Jennings

PHX Get:
Nash, Singler, JJ, and a protected 1st (from us).

Pistons Get:
Bledsoe

I think there is a real chance that phoenix does not get full value in this situation.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#707 » by sc8581 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:05 pm

ChipButty wrote:Lots of talk about a Moose for Bledsoe trade, but do we really need to trade Moose to get Bledsoe?

I don't like the idea of trading KCP, and in some ways I think it makes more sense to just trade Monroe, but I think KCP, JJ, Bynum, and a protected 1st would also be a very strong offer.

or maybe we could work something like:

Lakers Get:
Jennings

PHX Get:
Nash, Singler, JJ, and a protected 1st (from us).

Pistons Get:
Bledsoe

I think there is a real chance that phoenix does not get full value in this situation.


With Green and Dragic and even Tucker I don't think KCP is a fit with them. They could get more for Bledsoe than your other offer as well, plus the Lakers wouldn't want Jennings, nobody would.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#708 » by tmorgan » Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:30 pm

BigDaddyJungle wrote:pekovic and rubio
for
monroe and jennings.
...

Detroit upgrades at pg
Detroit downgrades at pf/c due to age, but talent about the same.

t'wolves
Upgrade at youth for a rebuild at center (monroe is not a pf)
and stat wise upgrade, but really slight downgrade for the rebuild instead of having to pay rubio a huge contract.


That's not realistic.

That said, I'd more more than happy to trade Monroe and Jennings for just Rubio.

Do you realize how awesome Rubio would be on this team? Kick to shooters (KCP, Meeks, Butler, Singler, JJ), and amazing looks down low to Smith and Drummond. It also upgrades our defense up top by a factor of approximately ten billion.

Minny could then look to move Big Pek elsewhere. We certainly don't need him here.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#709 » by epheisey » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:29 am

BigDaddyJungle wrote:pekovic and rubio
for
monroe and jennings.
...

Detroit upgrades at pg
Detroit downgrades at pf/c due to age, but talent about the same.

t'wolves
Upgrade at youth for a rebuild at center (monroe is not a pf)
and stat wise upgrade, but really slight downgrade for the rebuild instead of having to pay rubio a huge contract.


That's a pipedream. What I would do to get Rubio though....
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#710 » by sc8581 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:39 am

Rubio makes guys around him better, he's one of those cases where personal efficiency goes out the window. Unfortunately we have nothing Minnesota would want besides Drummond.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#711 » by cammac » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:28 am

Could see this trade after Jan. 15th

Toronto trades Vasquez & Lou Williams to Detroit for Jennings
Think Vasquez is more suited to being your starting PG than Jennings.
Vasequez and Williams will be fighting for minutes in Toronto but good addition in Detroit.
Vasquez will start and Williams will get 6th man minutes.

For Toronto Jennings can get minutes as back-up PG and 6th man what he should be.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#712 » by sc8581 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:45 am

cammac wrote:Could see this trade after Jan. 15th

Toronto trades Vasquez & Lou Williams to Detroit for Jennings
Think Vasquez is more suited to being your starting PG than Jennings.
Vasequez and Williams will be fighting for minutes in Toronto but good addition in Detroit.
Vasquez will start and Williams will get 6th man minutes.

For Toronto Jennings can get minutes as back-up PG and 6th man what he should be.


Why would Toronto do this again?
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#713 » by cammac » Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:40 am

sc8581 wrote:
cammac wrote:Could see this trade after Jan. 15th

Toronto trades Vasquez & Lou Williams to Detroit for Jennings
Think Vasquez is more suited to being your starting PG than Jennings.
Vasequez and Williams will be fighting for minutes in Toronto but good addition in Detroit.
Vasquez will start and Williams will get 6th man minutes.

For Toronto Jennings can get minutes as back-up PG and 6th man what he should be.


Why would Toronto do this again?


While Jennings isn't a good PG he would be a great 6th man and back-up PG much like a younger Barbosa but a better passer. This should be his position of choice where his defense isn't important.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#714 » by sc8581 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:44 am

cammac wrote:
sc8581 wrote:
cammac wrote:Could see this trade after Jan. 15th

Toronto trades Vasquez & Lou Williams to Detroit for Jennings
Think Vasquez is more suited to being your starting PG than Jennings.
Vasequez and Williams will be fighting for minutes in Toronto but good addition in Detroit.
Vasquez will start and Williams will get 6th man minutes.

For Toronto Jennings can get minutes as back-up PG and 6th man what he should be.


Why would Toronto do this again?


While Jennings isn't a good PG he would be a great 6th man and back-up PG much like a younger Barbosa but a better passer. This should be his position of choice where his defense isn't important.


Jennings is nothing like Barbosa, horrible comparison and horrible trade for Toronto.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#715 » by MotownMadness » Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:17 am

cammac wrote:Could see this trade after Jan. 15th

Toronto trades Vasquez & Lou Williams to Detroit for Jennings
Think Vasquez is more suited to being your starting PG than Jennings.
Vasequez and Williams will be fighting for minutes in Toronto but good addition in Detroit.
Vasquez will start and Williams will get 6th man minutes.

For Toronto Jennings can get minutes as back-up PG and 6th man what he should be.

Deal
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#716 » by sfballa13 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:32 am

Someone on InsideHoops mentioned that on ESPN's Around the Horn one of the columnists said he heard Rondo wanted out and that the Knicks, Kings, Rockets were interested.

We should get in on a Rondo trade because Greg Monroe is better than any player on those three teams.

Monroe, Bynum, Jennings for Gerald Wallace, Rondo

Our line up: Rondo - KCP - Singler - Smith - Drummond
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#717 » by sc8581 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:04 am

sfballa13 wrote:Someone on InsideHoops mentioned that on ESPN's Around the Horn one of the columnists said he heard Rondo wanted out and that the Knicks, Kings, Rockets were interested.

We should get in on a Rondo trade because Greg Monroe is better than any player on those three teams.

Monroe, Bynum, Jennings for Gerald Wallace, Rondo

Our line up: Rondo - KCP - Singler - Smith - Drummond


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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#718 » by The Penguin » Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:00 pm

Pistons in: Rondo, Bledsoe, Brandon Bass

Suns in: KCP, Bynum, Jerebko

Celtics in: Monroe, Jennings



Rondo / Augustine / Dinwiddie
Bledsoe / Meeks
Butler / Singler / Datome / Martin
Smith / Bass / Mitchell
Drummond / Gray
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#719 » by epheisey » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:13 pm

The Penguin wrote:Pistons in: Rondo, Bledsoe, Brandon Bass

Suns in: KCP, Bynum, Jerebko

Celtics in: Monroe, Jennings



Rondo / Augustine / Dinwiddie
Bledsoe / Meeks
Butler / Singler / Datome / Martin
Smith / Bass / Mitchell
Drummond / Gray


Both Rondo and Bledsoe are at their best driving the ball. Neither are great shooters. Smith can't draw defenders that far out of the paint, and Drummond is glued within 8 feet of the basket. Seems to me that teams could just collapse and dare Bledsoe and Butler/Singler to shoot the 3, where Singler is our biggest threat from 3.
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Re: The Trade Thread - v2 

Post#720 » by Kilo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:39 pm

Sacto dumped Terry to Houston for non-guaranteed contracts - now even further under the tax threshold.

Hmmm...
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