Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

Sunsdeuce · Post #1061 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:25 pm

Cards 3-0. Suck it 9ers fans!

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Saberestar · Post #1062 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:25 pm

Other ratings in 2K15 have been released:

Marcus Morris 75
P.J. Tucker 76
Gerald Green 78
Markieff Morris 78

We don't know yet the overall ratings of Plumlee, Dragic an Bledsoe , but they will be at least 78.
Isaiah Thomas is 80.

Blackification · Post #1063 » by **Blackification** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:31 pm

Saberestar wrote:Other ratings in 2K15 have been released:

Marcus Morris 75
P.J. Tucker 76
Gerald Green 78
Markieff Morris 78

We don't know yet the overall ratings of Plumlee, Dragic an Bledsoe , but they will be at least 78.
Isaiah Thomas is 80.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if Plumlee is around 78, what was he last year?

Goran should be around 85 same with bledsoe

MGA · Post #1064 » by **MGA** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:34 pm

Blackification wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Other ratings in 2K15 have been released:

Marcus Morris 75
P.J. Tucker 76
Gerald Green 78
Markieff Morris 78

We don't know yet the overall ratings of Plumlee, Dragic an Bledsoe , but they will be at least 78.
Isaiah Thomas is 80.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if Plumlee is around 78, what was he last year?

Goran should be around 85 same with bledsoe

I think Plum was around a 69. But I'm pretty sure he jumped up to 75 when you progress to next season in my gm mode haha

Saberestar · Post #1065 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:42 pm

Blackification wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Other ratings in 2K15 have been released:

Marcus Morris 75
P.J. Tucker 76
Gerald Green 78
Markieff Morris 78

We don't know yet the overall ratings of Plumlee, Dragic an Bledsoe , but they will be at least 78.
Isaiah Thomas is 80.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if Plumlee is around 78, what was he last year?

Goran should be around 85 same with bledsoe

Plumlee was 68 last year.
2K is implanting a new system this year, and the centers have a better ratings than in the last few years where they were always underrated.

NaturalBuns · Post #1066 » by **NaturalBuns** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:59 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Cards 3-0. Suck it 9ers fans!

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Can't believe how well this defense is playing considering all these loses.
Todd Bowles will be a HC next year

RunDogGun · Post #1067 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:07 am

phrazbit wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:
phrazbit wrote:People keep mentioning the "Suns are using RFA against me" line as fuel for their anger... but are taking it completely out of context. Have the people who are so worked up over that quote actually heard the ENTIRE thing? I doubt it.

Ooooh, what a bastard! He made a statement of fact, that yes, the Suns are using their leverage of restricted free agency... and then he went on to say "I understand that", because he (unlike the people who have decided to hate him for no reason) is aware that this is a business.

The context doesn't help. The words "against me" are powerful. The implication is that the Suns are doing something wrong or illegal or consipratorial or are persecuting him or something.

Whatever... even though he makes it blatantly clear he understands that the Suns are doing exactly what they should be doing in the situation...

Context is everything.

No, it wasn't clear what he meant, even after watching the video of the short answer. You are assuming what he meant, and claiming it is clear, and the making fun of those that didn't come to the same assumption.

Again, if he clearly understood, then he wouldn't have said the Suns were using his RFA against him. We didn't use anything against him. He is a RFA, and that allows a team to match any offer given. Those are the rules. If he "clearly" understood it, there would be no need for that statement. So again, maybe he doesn't understand the business part of it, and is just repeating what his agent told him. :banghead:

phrazbit · Post #1068 » by **phrazbit** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:28 am

RunDogGun wrote:
No, it wasn't clear what he meant, even after watching the video of the short answer. You are assuming what he meant, and claiming it is clear, and the making fun of those that didn't come to the same assumption.

Again, if he clearly understood, then he wouldn't have said the Suns were using his RFA against him. We didn't use anything against him. He is a RFA, and that allows a team to match any offer given. Those are the rules. If he "clearly" understood it, there would be no need for that statement. So again, maybe he doesn't understand the business part of it, and is just repeating what his agent told him.

lol, fine, have it your way. Common sense is not allowed to be applied. Unless it is absolutely 100% spelled out, then it should be ignored. :roll:

Just be sure to make these same posts when people use that quote the other way in an effort to rip Bledsoe.

Its hilarious that you rip on me for my "assumptions" based on his repeated use of the word "understand", then go on to make assumptions that its all just what his agent told him.

Yes, he can understand whats going on and still use the phrase "against me". Thats the leverage the Suns have in this situation and they SHOULD use it against him. You can sit there and claim I'm making assumptions but people are using that quote to make it sound like there is malice, and it takes some assumptions to think there is anger then when he is repeating that he "understands" the situation more than once.

I know how these debates go with you... but please. Apply the same standard to both sides of the coin. You want that quote to not represent him understanding the Suns point of view... fine, then just disregard it altogether, because when reading it in its full context it takes a lot of assumptions to use it any other way.

RunDogGun · Post #1069 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:47 am

phrazbit wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
No, it wasn't clear what he meant, even after watching the video of the short answer. You are assuming what he meant, and claiming it is clear, and the making fun of those that didn't come to the same assumption.

Again, if he clearly understood, then he wouldn't have said the Suns were using his RFA against him. We didn't use anything against him. He is a RFA, and that allows a team to match any offer given. Those are the rules. If he "clearly" understood it, there would be no need for that statement. So again, maybe he doesn't understand the business part of it, and is just repeating what his agent told him.

lol, fine, have it your way. Common sense is not allowed to be applied. Unless it is absolutely 100% spelled out, then it should be ignored.

Just be sure to make these same posts when people use that quote the other way in an effort to rip Bledsoe.

Why? I didn't rip you for your assumption. All I'm saying is that Bledsoe doesn't understand what a RFA is, and he has deferred everything to his agent, who so far seems like he is late to the party for Bledsoe.

And stop with the "common sense" drama. If you are going to rip people for being overly dramatic, don't do the same thing. :noway:

As far as the situation, most teams with a high potential talent as their RFA, say they will match any offer, and we did. We offered a fair contract, which almost everyone in the league thinks this, and we waited. Sarver said he would be happy to negotiate, and so far Bledsoe's camp has made no effort to get this over with.

So why can't fans be mad about this?

Now if Bledsoe suggested that the Suns purposely kept him from starting so many games, so he would have a lower QO, that might be an interesting thought.

Capper · Post #1070 » by **Capper** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:50 am

OK, so EB is taking the QO. I hope he at least has the decency to sign it on time to be present for the start of camp and Media Day. If he does, I can forget about his other disrespectful behavior this summer and move on. On the other hand, if he "holds out" and skips the start of camp to give the team one more FU before signing, then his priorities are clear and he's probably best used as a reserve in a diminished role.

RunDogGun · Post #1071 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:52 am

I'm just glad Bledsoe never said this in game ,"Those refs were using that traveling violation against me." "But I understand that." For then I would think he is dumber than Amare.

Saberestar · Post #1072 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:57 am

Suns play-by-play announcer Al McCoy might have even more reason to exclaim "Oh, brother!" this season.

The Suns have become the leader in the pursuit of shooting guard Zoran Dragic, the younger brother of Suns star guard Goran Dragic. One other NBA team remains in serious pursuit but negotiations for a contract and a buyout from Dragic's Spanish club have progressed to the point that a deal could be finalized early this week.

Dragic, 25, has been talking to Phoenix about a two-year contract or a three-year deal with the third year as an option for the player or team.

After joining Goran for the Slovenian national team's run to the World Cup quarterfinals, Zoran reported to training camp with Unicaja Malaga, his Spanish club that had signed him to a contract extension in July. The extension included a NBA buyout for about $1.1 million, of which the Suns can contribute up to $600,000. A NBA contract might have to exceed $2 million for Zoran to leave for the NBA, a goal he openly has shared.

Realgm.com reported early Sunday that Dragic was in advanced negotiations with an NBA team.

Zoran Dragic's addition would give the Suns 14 guaranteed contracts, leaving one regular-season roster spot open for restricted free agent Eric Bledsoe. Signing both would give the Suns seven guards on the roster, although Gerald Green is a small forward too.

Zoran Dragic is a 6-foot-5 guard with aggressive defense, a familiar attacking style in transition and a developing perimeter shot. In seven World Cup games, he averaged 14.1 points and 4.0 rebounds in 26.3 minutes per game with 50 percent shooting overall and 43.3 percent shooting on 3-pointers. He averaged 10.9 points in Euroleague play last season. His presence would be a plus to the retention of Goran, who likely will opt to become a free agent next summer but already has expressed his desire to stay with Phoenix.

All of the Suns players under contract have been at US Airways Center for voluntary workouts this month but they officially report Sept. 29 and depart for a five-day training camp in Flagstaff.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /16022261/

Sunsdeuce · Post #1073 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:10 am

With seven guards on the roster, we have to be the smallest team in the nba. Anyone know our average height for the team?

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thamadkant · Post #1074 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:22 am

For people who dont like John Henson for any deals with Eric Bledsoe...

The guy could explode in the next couple of season and when given 30 minutes a game... 10 points 7 rebounds and 1.7 blocks in 26 minutes as a skinny raw player is darn good.

Could be the shot blocker and rebounder that the Suns can fit next to Alex Len in the future.

RunDogGun · Post #1075 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:31 am

McD is just securing us another guard in case we have to start the season without Bledsoe, for right now, we only have five under contract. I don't think it's a bad idea to sign a guy that shot 50% from the field, 40+% from three, all while his focus is on defense! does anyone else?

Moreover, if that same person also helped us retain our best player in a year, that sounds like icing on the cake.

I really think Zoran is in the mold of our coach, and if Jeff can help Zoran shoot even better, it might be a great pickup for us.

Average height of a team is pretty meaningless. Since we signed IT, who is 5'9", our height will go down greatly. We have decent height out if our bigs, and some of our guys like Tucker still can match up with taller guys and do a decent job.

Puff · Post #1076 » by **Puff** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:42 am

carey wrote:
Scutt wrote:I don't care if we lose Bledsoe for nothing because we only traded Jared Dudley to get him. The same Jared Dudley that the Clippers had to give up a 1st round pick just to get rid of a year later. What I do not want is to see the Suns take on bad contracts. If the Suns took on Smith and Jennings, like some posters have suggested, I would have to find a new team to watch.

The value of asset A is not based on the value of the asset B you traded for him. I don't understand this logic. It's based solely on how asset A preformed last year. The trade to acquire Eric is inconsequential now.

Yep - really strange. It is like that if you lost the $1,000,000 you won after you bought a $1 lottery ticket, you only lost $1.

Hopefully we learned a lesson when Amare left town for nothing in return except for a bunch of garbage. I think Ryan understands that Bledsoe is an asset and a very good one. We cannot let him go for nothing in return. Coro's column on the subject puts it all in perspective.

Post #1077 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:50 am

Would love to see Zoran on the Suns but I don't know how they are going to make the head count work.

RunDogGun · Post #1078 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:51 am

Puff wrote:
carey wrote:
Scutt wrote:I don't care if we lose Bledsoe for nothing because we only traded Jared Dudley to get him. The same Jared Dudley that the Clippers had to give up a 1st round pick just to get rid of a year later. What I do not want is to see the Suns take on bad contracts. If the Suns took on Smith and Jennings, like some posters have suggested, I would have to find a new team to watch.

The value of asset A is not based on the value of the asset B you traded for him. I don't understand this logic. It's based solely on how asset A preformed last year. The trade to acquire Eric is inconsequential now.

Yep - really strange. It is like that if you lost the $1,000,000 you won after you bought a $1 lottery ticket, you only lost $1.

Hopefully we learned a lesson when Amare left town for nothing in return except for a bunch of garbage. I think Ryan understands that Bledsoe is an asset and a very good one. We cannot let him go for nothing in return. Coro's column on the subject puts it all in perspective.

Amare was an UFA, and we got a large TPE and a second round pick instead of having a terrible contract. It was the right choice.

Post #1079 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:42 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Cards 3-0. Suck it 9ers fans!

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I was thinking that the Cards and Chargers look as good as anyone this year. The two teams I pull for could make the super bowl. I can't imagine the ratings would be as good as usual though.

I was wondering it those ratings would be better than a Carolina/Cincy SuperBowl. Of course Carolina got blown out after that thought.

Cards are looking very tough. You think if Palmer is healthy they should start him or stick with Stanton?

Post #1080 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:46 am

Fischella wrote:Dieng is a back-up Center for life, he doesnt have enough strength, athleticism or mobility to be a starting Center, and he is too raw on offense.

Henson is more versatile, longer, better player overall, can play two positions and is basically developing a shot away from being a terrific PF prospect.

I'd prefer Henson over Dieng 10 out 10 times.

Wow, well I can see why you are not a GM.