Jazzfan1971 and FloppyMoose's Season Preview - The Raptors

[jazzfan1971]

How are the Raptors not exciting. I stopped reading there.

Sorry. If it makes you feel any better I think the Jazz of the last 2-3 years is one of the most boring teams ever. And unless Exum fulfills some of his promise I imagine that the Jazz will continue being a rather boring team.

Toronto is pretty boring IMHO. No stars of any note (I know you all think Derozan is, but, I remember a year ago when you could have had him for an expiring and a late 1st on the trade board. Lets see him step it up another notch.) There isn't a player on the roster terribly exciting, maybe Lou Williams. But, I'm not going to get too excited about a backup. I don't remember the style of play being very compelling either.

[suntzuballin]

Ya we on the raps board are cray cray when it comes to anthing to wit raptors ..even slightest rumours were on it like a dirty shirt.

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[TDotsfinest97]

How are the Raptors not exciting. I stopped reading there.

Sorry. If it makes you feel any better I think the Jazz of the last 2-3 years is one of the most boring teams ever. And unless Exum fulfills some of his promise I imagine that the Jazz will continue being a rather boring team.

Toronto is pretty boring IMHO. No stars of any note (I know you all think Derozan is, but, I remember a year ago when you could have had him for an expiring and a late 1st on the trade board. Lets see him step it up another notch.) There isn't a player on the roster terribly exciting, maybe Lou Williams. But, I'm not going to get too excited about a backup. I don't remember the style of play being very compelling either.

Dude I don't think you can make it out alive by saying that the Raptors are boring on this website, good luck you'll need it.

[Rhythm043]

How are the Raptors not exciting. I stopped reading there.

Sorry. If it makes you feel any better I think the Jazz of the last 2-3 years is one of the most boring teams ever. And unless Exum fulfills some of his promise I imagine that the Jazz will continue being a rather boring team.

Toronto is pretty boring IMHO. No stars of any note (I know you all think Derozan is, but, I remember a year ago when you could have had him for an expiring and a late 1st on the trade board. Lets see him step it up another notch.) There isn't a player on the roster terribly exciting, maybe Lou Williams. But, I'm not going to get too excited about a backup. I don't remember the style of play being very compelling either.

Honestly, your opinion is fine. I was going to comment how ironic it was to have a boring comment coming from a Jazz guy because they have been pretty boring for a while now. I just don't agree because I have seen them other years when they were actually boring such as the whole Andrea Bargnani era. I found them very exciting last season as they had a lot of fight in them and were rarely out of any game and always fought down to the wire. Seriously though, do you get to watch many Raptor games on league pass? How many games did you watch? (just wondering)

I don't know who really would have liked that expiring and a 1st for Derozan on this board, maybe a few of the younger posters with zero patience.

[Ahmed1212]

How are the Raptors not exciting. I stopped reading there.

Sorry. If it makes you feel any better I think the Jazz of the last 2-3 years is one of the most boring teams ever. And unless Exum fulfills some of his promise I imagine that the Jazz will continue being a rather boring team.

Toronto is pretty boring IMHO. No stars of any note (I know you all think Derozan is, but, I remember a year ago when you could have had him for an expiring and a late 1st on the trade board. Lets see him step it up another notch.) There isn't a player on the roster terribly exciting, maybe Lou Williams. But, I'm not going to get too excited about a backup. I don't remember the style of play being very compelling either.

Dude I don't think you can make it out alive by saying that the Raptors are boring on this website, good luck you'll need it.

They only host a top 3 ingame dunker in the league today.
Have never been blown out
led the league in 4th quarter comebacks
Filled with athletes like Demar Ross Amir

Young, scrappy and athletic, yep screams boring.

[hands11]

How are the Raptors not exciting. I stopped reading there.

Sorry. If it makes you feel any better I think the Jazz of the last 2-3 years is one of the most boring teams ever. And unless Exum fulfills some of his promise I imagine that the Jazz will continue being a rather boring team.

Toronto is pretty boring IMHO. No stars of any note (I know you all think Derozan is, but, I remember a year ago when you could have had him for an expiring and a late 1st on the trade board. Lets see him step it up another notch.) There isn't a player on the roster terribly exciting, maybe Lou Williams. But, I'm not going to get too excited about a backup. I don't remember the style of play being very compelling either.

Dude I don't think you can make it out alive by saying that the Raptors are boring on this website, good luck you'll need it.

Its a board. I'm sure he will survive.

Personally, I don't find TOR boring. I find them scrappy and I like scrappy. I also like watching young talent presented with opportunities to step it up. But at some point, you need some elite and experienced players. Jonas Valanciunas was supposed to have a bust out year last year but he didn't. But he is still on 22. I really like DeRozan and think he can keep getting better as will. For me, those are the two that have to take them to another level. They added some good depth. Sure. But I didn't see depth as their problem last year because they would already come at you in waves. Plus, you can only play so many player at once.

Bruno Caboclo. Love the pick. But that a long term investment.

End of the day, its about DeRozan, Valanciunas, and Terrence Ross stepping it up. For me, I think they are another year away from them being where they need to be.

I think they will be fun to watch. I love players like Greivis Vasquez. I just don't see it adding up to a sure division title against an experienced, talented team like BRK.

[chuckdevlin]

You are aware they can't be 6th seed if they win the Atlantic. Plus with your projections and rankings, they're the ones to win the Atlantic.

I see these guys doing better than 45, because if so we'll have the saddest division in the league.

I see the raps in a 45-55 range and the nets in the 40-50 range.

You guys have to factor in division play and conference play, teams like the raps won't be low 40's team unless bad injuries happen.


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[tayottt]

Other than draft picks the only notable additions coming from outside the East were Pau Gasol, Mirotic, Meeks, Frye, Marion, Calderon, and Mike Miller.

That list is strangely incomplete.

Fill me in. I just wrote the guys that came to mind. I don't think any all stars fled the West in Free Agency for the East or anyone came East from overseas that would make a significant enough impact to negate and trump the Raptors improvement. I suppose the most important additions to the East are a few injured players. Al Horford, Derrick Rose, Larry Sanders, and Brook Lopez are all players that should help their teams if healthy. Even so, I don't think the East improved very much compared to the projected improvement of the Raptors. The only notable additions in their division are Calderon (coupled with the loss of former DPOY Tyson Chandler) and Brook Lopez (coupled with the loss of coach Kidd, Shaun Livingston, and Paul Pierce). There were more injury-hit teams out West (Nuggets/Pelicans/Grizzlies/Lakers) than East. I stand by my projection of 50 wins. I'm not a Raptors fan but they deserve their respect.

[El Turco]

How are the Raptors not exciting. I stopped reading there.

i can't think of a team more blah than raptors. first/second round fodder years to come.

[YogurtProducer]

How are the Raptors not exciting. I stopped reading there.

i can't think of a team more blah than raptors. first/second round fodder years to come.

Cavaliers for the last 4 years.

Utah, Milwaukee, Boston, Orlando, knicks, 76ers

[El Turco]

How are the Raptors not exciting. I stopped reading there.

i can't think of a team more blah than raptors. first/second round fodder years to come.

Cavaliers for the last 4 years.

Utah, Milwaukee, Boston, Orlando, knicks, 76ers

you seem to misunderstand, i didn't say bad team. utah, milwaukee, orlando, sixers all have young exciting players with high upside along with more high draft picks upcoming. knicks have one of the best scorers in the league. boston maybe, but they are likely to get high draft picks upcoming years as well.

raptors on the other hand don't have much to look forward to as they have very little room to grow from their first round and out status quo.

[YogurtProducer]

i can't think of a team more blah than raptors. first/second round fodder years to come.

Cavaliers for the last 4 years.

Utah, Milwaukee, Boston, Orlando, knicks, 76ers

you seem to misunderstand, i didn't say bad team. utah, milwaukee, orlando, sixers all have young exciting players with high upside along with more high draft picks upcoming. knicks have one of the best scorers in the league. boston maybe, but they are likely to get high draft picks upcoming years as well.

raptors on the other hand don't have much to look forward to as they have very little room to grow from their first round and out status quo.

I suppose so but in my opinion they are not even close the most BLAH team to watch. OKC Has two top 10 players and they are the most boring team to watch. Probably a little homer in me but JV Tross and even DD to an extent all have room to improve. Bruno and Bebe off the bench are two intriguing young players. Bht whatevee, I'm not gonna be mad if someone finds my team boring

[sca]

How can they decrease in wins when they lost no players of note and actually added to their depth? Marginal improvement from Derozan, Ross, and Jonas makes the Raps project to about 50 wins.

I also like they're off season additions. They got Nougeira and Williams for nothing and added James Johnson as a versatile defender for Joe Johnson types. Masai continues to do a solid job.

It's more so because there is more parity in the East this year then last year.

I've heard a few people make this claim that there is more parity in the East. How so? Even if we assume that the projected top 8 teams in the East got better overall, how much does that really count for? Other than draft picks the only notable additions coming from outside the East were Pau Gasol, Mirotic, Meeks, Frye, Marion, Calderon, and Mike Miller. Are any of these guys so good that they would make the East drastically more competitive? I don't think so. It seems to me that the deck was reshuffled a bit with Lebron, Pierce, Deng, and Lance switching teams but that type of movement in divisions outside of the Atlantic doesn't really matter.

The Raptors were 20-10 post-all star. Barring significant injury, even with a marginally tougher East they should be expected to win 50 games. Do not forget, the Atlantic is weak! Perhaps there is some sticker shock associated with the Raptors (a franchise that has NEVER won 50 games) reaching that number, but they should be capable as long as they continue to build upon what they had last year (which shouldn't be hard considering their continuity).

Add Love, Horford, Rose and B.Lopez to that. Substract George, Ariza, Boozer, Chandler and Afflalo. IDK if I'm missing anybody else, but this year's Eastern Conference will undoubtedly be more competitive than the last.

[sca]

i can't think of a team more blah than raptors. first/second round fodder years to come.

Cavaliers for the last 4 years.

Utah, Milwaukee, Boston, Orlando, knicks, 76ers

you seem to misunderstand, i didn't say bad team. utah, milwaukee, orlando, sixers all have young exciting players with high upside along with more high draft picks upcoming. knicks have one of the best scorers in the league. boston maybe, but they are likely to get high draft picks upcoming years as well.

raptors on the other hand don't have much to look forward to as they have very little room to grow from their first round and out status quo.

Are we not counting Valanciunas and Ross now?






...and Bruno

[Rhythm043]

i can't think of a team more blah than raptors. first/second round fodder years to come.

Cavaliers for the last 4 years.

Utah, Milwaukee, Boston, Orlando, knicks, 76ers

you seem to misunderstand, i didn't say bad team. utah, milwaukee, orlando, sixers all have young exciting players with high upside along with more high draft picks upcoming. knicks have one of the best scorers in the league. boston maybe, but they are likely to get high draft picks upcoming years as well.

raptors on the other hand don't have much to look forward to as they have very little room to grow from their first round and out status quo.

Lol @implying Milwaukee , philly and Orlando are less "blah" than toronto. Some of you guys in the States must just be haters. New York is garbage bud! They have carmelo and 2 former raptors who were "crap" to everyone when they were on the raptors and now, they are good? What a bloody joke. Why do they have little room for growth?...makes no sense.

[Prokorov]

Can't see the team regressing to 45 wins since they kept their team in tact over the summer, added some key bench pieces for depth, and won't start the year with Rudy Gay.

im scratching my head at this as well... team won mroe games last season while dealing with in-season roster turnover, new faces, and alot of young rotation players.

everyone is back, a year wiser, and more farmiliar. yet that yields a worse record somehow?

[omerome]

i can't think of a team more blah than raptors. first/second round fodder years to come.

Cavaliers for the last 4 years.

Utah, Milwaukee, Boston, Orlando, knicks, 76ers

you seem to misunderstand, i didn't say bad team. utah, milwaukee, orlando, sixers all have young exciting players with high upside along with more high draft picks upcoming. knicks have one of the best scorers in the league. boston maybe, but they are likely to get high draft picks upcoming years as well.

raptors on the other hand don't have much to look forward to as they have very little room to grow from their first round and out status quo.

If I were to compare the Raptors to a team like the Atlanta Hawks, I'm sure I would get lynched from some here, but that's pretty much what I see with them. Good enough to make the playoffs, but that's it. They aren't going to scare anyone with that current roster.

[BackOnDaBlock]

Cavaliers for the last 4 years.

Utah, Milwaukee, Boston, Orlando, knicks, 76ers

you seem to misunderstand, i didn't say bad team. utah, milwaukee, orlando, sixers all have young exciting players with high upside along with more high draft picks upcoming. knicks have one of the best scorers in the league. boston maybe, but they are likely to get high draft picks upcoming years as well.

raptors on the other hand don't have much to look forward to as they have very little room to grow from their first round and out status quo.

If I were to compare the Raptors to a team like the Atlanta Hawks, I'm sure I would get lynched from some here, but that's pretty much what I see with them. Good enough to make the playoffs, but that's it. They aren't going to scare anyone with that current roster.

nut job

[sca]

Can't see the team regressing to 45 wins since they kept their team in tact over the summer, added some key bench pieces for depth, and won't start the year with Rudy Gay.

im scratching my head at this as well... team won mroe games last season while dealing with in-season roster turnover, new faces, and alot of young rotation players.

everyone is back, a year wiser, and more farmiliar. yet that yields a worse record somehow?

Are you sure you're not a Raptors fan in disguise?

Seriously, you seem to bash your own team while singing praises for the Raptors all the time.

[720]

Can't see the team regressing to 45 wins since they kept their team in tact over the summer, added some key bench pieces for depth, and won't start the year with Rudy Gay.

im scratching my head at this as well... team won mroe games last season while dealing with in-season roster turnover, new faces, and alot of young rotation players.

everyone is back, a year wiser, and more farmiliar. yet that yields a worse record somehow?

Are you sure you're not a Raptors fan in disguise?

Seriously, you seem to bash your own team while singing praises for the Raptors all the time.

Go to the realistic expectations thread on the Nets board. Pokorov loses it and bashes all of Canada in it.
I'm pretty sure he was just super nice to the raptors during the playoffs for the and1s. lol