Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture

[ag3]

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 1h1 hour ago

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Unreal.

[mpharris36]

i understand what you're saying but i watch games rooting for wins. i can't detach myself in that way. i also don't see much progress.

It's been 2 weeks. Realistically, what progress were you expecting from a rookie coach and a roster of castoffs in that time, especially without a starting PG?

maybe stop treating the regular season like pre season. how can you progress if you try something new every 5 minutes ? you do the same thing over and over until you're good at it. that's how you progress in anything.

and you get rid of the idiots on the team...more progress

[HarthorneWingo]

Speaking of idiots, I'm officially done with JR. Don't give a rat's ass about his 19 points last night, which he decided to get on his own, his teammates be damned. And then, the last shot of the game. Give his minutes to the other guards. We have enough of them. Iman is already picking up his scoring.

[Bklyn&company]

You're not going to find a cutter on the Knicks because none of those players want to risk getting hurt. That's fine with a perimeter game IF you have a legit post up man.

Go back to Barkley's 1992 Phoenix Suns team. Chuck was PUNISHING defenders using that big a$$ to shove them back towards the basket until a man came open or he could put the ball in. He later confessed he studied McHale and modified his game to be closer to that style.

What the Fu*k? Risk getting hurt? Are these guys getting played Millions. If what you are say is true then they shouldn't be playing at all. Phil will see and axe their as* before trading deadline. The Triangle calls for cutters, if a player doesn't want to cut because of risk of injury we need to get his as* out of here asap. I haven't seen us find the "Blind Pig" cut man in six games.

[mpharris36]

Speaking of idiots, I'm officially done with JR. Don't give a rat's ass about his 19 points last night, which he decided to get on his own, his teammates be damned. And then, the last shot of the game. Give his minutes to the other guards. We have enough of them. Man is already picking up his scoring.

and JR made a couple stupid azz long two fadeways last night. Imagine if those didn't going in

he couldn't easily been 3-16.

It was an awful game.

[kane2021]

I know its early. But just a look in the near future.

Lets say we still suck this bad after the new year. Am I the only one who dont see melo playing the whole season?

[GONYK]

It's been 2 weeks. Realistically, what progress were you expecting from a rookie coach and a roster of castoffs in that time, especially without a starting PG?

maybe stop treating the regular season like pre season. how can you progress if you try something new every 5 minutes ? you do the same thing over and over until you're good at it. that's how you progress in anything.

and you get rid of the idiots on the team...more progress

Players may or may not be moved in December. Fisher is playing with house money, so he might as well see what gels. Should he have done it in preseason? He did, but he couldn't find a mix of offense and defense. The problem is, with this roster, there isn' one.

You also can't want wins, and also not want JR and Amare to play. Outside of Melo and recently Shump, those are the only people on the team who can create offense. It's either you lose to Orlando by two or you lose by 15. Either way, people will complain.


Also, Amare has been playing well, so step off

[emo]

We have to be able to get more out of Tim Hardaway.

The kid looks like he was born to be a slasher, he should be running off of screens for catch & shoots alll game long. He should be getting plays drawn up for the give&go, as much as Iman does these days.

There's more levels to this m'fer that needs to be unlocked.

[GONYK]

I know its early. But just a look in the near future.

Lets say we still suck this bad after the new year. Am I the only one who dont see melo playing the whole season?

I just don't think Melo will give up his statistical production just because. Guys like him care about legacy.

[Capn'O]

I know its early. But just a look in the near future.

Lets say we still suck this bad after the new year. Am I the only one who dont see melo playing the whole season?

His shoulder might start acting up. Just the threat of it requires a lot of precaution.

[NoLayupRule]

my issue with the tank brigade is that I simply don't see us being worse than the 8th or 9th worst team in the league no matter how much we suck

I don't want to watch us suck, continue to be a laughing stock of the league, scare away free agents and develop a losing mentality all for the 8th pick

if we got one of the top 3 it might be worth it but we all know that unless you land a top 3-4 pick in the draft you might as well trade down and try to get two players ... with some notable exceptions of course. I know that Steph Curry went 1 over our 8th pick and there have been all stars picked middle of the road but mostly its just good players, nothing franchise changing.

anyone know who has multiple picks this coming draft?

[mpharris36]

I know its early. But just a look in the near future.

Lets say we still suck this bad after the new year. Am I the only one who dont see melo playing the whole season?

If its late December and we are still playing like this I wouldn't mind Melo going down with some "tendinitis" somewhere and miss a few games at a time.

[knickabocker88]

Jared Jeffries would be useful on this team

This is what the Knicks have done to me

[kane2021]

I mean its kinda obvious that melo is hurting right now. Im not sure if its the ankle or the knee. But its in the left leg. If we continue to totally stink,... I could see him getting shut down.

[GONYK]

I know its early. But just a look in the near future.

Lets say we still suck this bad after the new year. Am I the only one who dont see melo playing the whole season?

If its late December and we are still playing like this I wouldn't mind Melo going down with some "tendinitis" somewhere and miss a few games at a time.

I could see this. A few games here and there. Then again, you can't really set the culture and let your star take off nights like that.

[Mr_Perfect]

Jason Smith makes Amare look like Bill Russell. WTF was Phil thinking? What were we thinking? As I recall, most of this board really liked that signing.

We heard that he played defense and was a good rebounder.

Then we got schnookered. No wait, PHIL got schnookered.

hehe

Jason Smith as a role player on a good team is fine.

Jason Smith on a bad team isn't fine because more is expected of him than what we can provide.

[mpharris36]

Players may or may not be moved in December. Fisher is playing with house money, so he might as well see what gels. Should he have done it in preseason? He did, but he couldn't find a mix of offense and defense. The problem is, with this roster, there isn' one.

You also can't want wins, and also not want JR and Amare to play. Outside of Melo and recently Shump, those are the only people on the team who can create offense. It's either you lose to Orlando by two or you lose by 15. Either way, people will complain.


Also, Amare has been playing well, so step off

I'm not going to get into amare playing well because he destroys are entire defense when he is in so anything he does offensively is offset by that. But we don't need to go down that road.

You say you can't want wins and also not JR and Amare to play. They have played 9 games and we are 2-7 so it doesn't seem like either is effecting Wins and Losses, well actually they are effecting losses.

And that is what idiots do, they lose games.

Are you saying we would be 1-8 if Cleanthony Early got all of JR's minutes and Cole got all of Amares minutes.

I might say we would be better than 2-7 because those guys would play more within the system and play better defense. that would be progress.

Watching to dummies play stupid basketball isn't progress.

You yourself come on and post a "I don't care" gif after we lose. So I am with you on that I don't care either. So lets not care with actually players who play the game of basketball the right way.

THAT SIR IS PROGRESS.

I don't care about the lack of talent I want the game played the right way and the system played the right way and those two idiots wont change, because they are who they are.

[GYK]

Watching the games again, our offense needs shooting bigs. Acy and Dally can't play for that long and not shoot. I think ideally there are 4 bigs who can shot the close/midrange shot(two starters and two backups).
JR and Timmy over shot but idk how to fix that. Who else would be taking those shots.
Jason played well IMO. He missed two big shots down the stretch but nothing horrible.

We don't need anymore shooting bigs. We need bigs who can go inside, score, and get free throws. All this team does is shoot long 2 point jumpers. I don't know if you've noticed, but the league has changed. The shots that every other team looks for is: 1) layup/dunk/shot at the rim, 2) 3 pointer, 3) free throw. The long 2 is not an efficient shot, especially when it's shot off the dribble or with a defender nearby, but it's pretty much the staple of our offense.

We honestly have only Jason. Amare isn't hitting the midrange shot.
I've noticed that the explaination of the league is far more cliche then what actually is happening.
There was a just a champion team that relied on the midrange jumper, efficency, post passing and penetrating from two players. The baseline shot is the most efficent shot outside of the paint. Next the corner and then elbows.
We take a good number of 3 pointers and move the ball well enough.

[mpharris36]

my issue with the tank brigade is that I simply don't see us being worse than the 8th or 9th worst team in the league no matter how much we suck

I don't want to watch us suck, continue to be a laughing stock of the league, scare away free agents and develop a losing mentality all for the 8th pick

if we got one of the top 3 it might be worth it but we all know that unless you land a top 3-4 pick in the draft you might as well trade down and try to get two players ... with some notable exceptions of course. I know that Steph Curry went 1 over our 8th pick and there have been all stars picked middle of the road but mostly its just good players, nothing franchise changing.

anyone know who has multiple picks this coming draft?

If Melo roles that ankle one game and misses a good chunk of time best believe we are just as bad as the sixers.

[mpharris36]

Jason Smith as a role player on a good team is fine.

Jason Smith on a bad team isn't fine because more is expected of him than what we can provide.

what? missing wide open jumpers?

isn't that the only thing he can do?