Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

[Saberestar]

I really like Isaiah coming of the bench and been the focal point of our offense when he is on the court...but him and Green at the same time is crazy, because the other three players are invisible in that minutes.
I want next to Isaiah a great 3&D guy, or at least some player that doesn't need the ball to play good basketball. I think that someone like Kyle Korver ( not a great defender but not worse than Green for sure) would be perfect next to Isaiah and P.J. Tucker to play around 20-22 minutes per game, and his basketball IQ is way better than Green's have.

Green and Tyler Ennis for Kyle Korver?
Green and Phoenix's pick for Kyle Korver?

I do not think Atlanta will trade Korver...but we can make the call.

[Saberestar]

Suns need to get Hortford. Somehow someway.

He would be perfect like a C on our team. Great post defender, pick and roll defender, good shot blocker and a good offensive player, he is an All Star.

[LukasBMW]

Didn't one of our resident stat junkies show that Dragic was always 10x more effective with Frye on the floor?

We really miss having a stretch 4/5.

[Frank Lee]

I think Bosh is the perfect PF/C... but fat chance on that.
Cant see what ATL would want from us... Teague has been Ballin
Even Indy may have found a decent PG in that Logan cat.... so No West young man

This may be a No Trade Made scenario... or maybe a little deal for the likes of Henson/Illysova.

Our boys better learn to play together, else I fear a Dragic ending.

[Zelaznyrules]

Didn't one of our resident stat junkies show that Dragic was always 10x more effective with Frye on the floor?

We really miss having a stretch 4/5.

Yeah, the stats showed a remarkable difference in shooting percentage for Goran when Channing was on the court with him. And there was also the pick and roll/pick and pop that he and Channing ran to perfection. I wouldn't mind seeing those shooting stats again and I've yet to hear a reasonable explanation for those numbers from the "Frye sucks" crowd.

[Jdiddy701]

So Goran is 10x better with Channing here? Okay. Send his ass to Orlando for Oladipo.

Imagine him with EB. Oh god.


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[bigfoot]

After a six game road trip we come back with a 4-2 record. I guess us fans should be happy as that would project to 54 wins this year. Not bad for a very young team that is still learning how to play together.

The last three games were fairly well played. We could have pulled out that Toronto game if we didn't turn the ball over 20 times. Five less turnovers would have made a big difference considering the Raptors scored 24 points off those 20 turnovers.

[thamadkant]

Regardless of what we do, who we trade, it is clear we do not have a finished playoff product in place. This three guard experiment must fail before we progress to the next level of competitiveness. Fail may not come on the court, but in the locker room. We may or may not hear about it.

If I am on the outside looking over our rooster... I would target Bledsoe over Dragic, mostly due to his contract. I would lowball Phnx on an offer for Goran and shy away from gunners Green and Thomas. Perhaps try to snare one of Ennis, Goodwin, or Warren in a package. I don't believe Len would be made available but I am asking. And vets Randolph, Plum, Tolly would just be salary filler. Tucker holds positive value, but alone will not bring in enough. Unsure about the MoBros' value right now.

I think Dragic needs to be loved else he will leave, and expect him to move on if no changes are made. He'll likely be diplomatic about it. I would not expect him to grumble excessively especially since he knows he has a guaranteed out and a new payday/environment on the way. He will be frank though, as he has already displayed. Surely the FO is beginning to realize this. I don't think we have the 'match whatever' leverage with him as we did with Bled. Can we go over the cap to retain him ?

Seems like the safe bet for us, is to keep Bled as it would be a serious set back to trade him, AND lose Dragic in free agency. But we can't deal Bled without the surety of resigning Dragic, but I do think trading Bledsoe would be a gesture Goran would recognize and appreciate. This was once 'his' team remember? This may evolve into a situation where Goran dictates the moves of the FO.

I wonder how long (or if) they pull the plug on this three ring circus.

Regarding Dragic, I agree completely.
Dragic needs to be somehow "catered" for by the Suns FO after his breakthrough season and his "freedom" to choose a new team or stay at the end of the season.

The sad thing is, the longer the "struggle" of the 3 PG system goes for the more low ball the offer other teams will present. Because they will have leverage, almost using Dragic's FA status to have Suns accept a low ball for Bledsoe, Thomas or Green.

Now, we could all be wrong and McD simply doesnt see Dragic as worthy of a max or near max contract... we dont know. All we know is they (he) approved drafting of Ennis, signed-off Thomas's contract and had a big hand in signing Bledsoe as well.... Dragic?... well McD did mention he likes Dragic.

Basically in short, if Suns FO wants Dragic to re-sign, then they need to trade off one or two of the other PGs, give him his 2013-2014 role back.. which is primary ball handler and main-guy status.

[thamadkant]

So Goran is 10x better with Channing here? Okay. Send his ass to Orlando for Oladipo.

Imagine him with EB. Oh god.


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Green + Dragic for Oladipo + one of their SF/PF youngins.

[jcsunsfan]

So Goran is 10x better with Channing here? Okay. Send his ass to Orlando for Oladipo.

Imagine him with EB. Oh god.


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That is actually a very good idea.

[b-ball forever]

The Suns already have a better win percentage than last year so we're better off without Frye.

That said, having all 3 of Bledsoe/Dragic/IT is redundant, while we are a bit short on bigmen, so a trade of one of those 3 for a quality big makes sense.

Given that Bledsoe just extended and has the best Point Guard play and defensive ablity, and that IT just arrived and has been producing well overall with the minutes he's got, Dragic is the most reasonable trade option with his slow start and comments about possibly leaving.

He still has good value, and would likely play better again with a change of scenery. If the Magic are interested, Vucevic would be the ideal target, but Oladipo could be an interesting asset as well if we make another move for a big. Orlando really needs a quality PG, and Dragic would be in charge of the whole show again if he went there.

[jcsunsfan]

The Cleveland experiment is not working.

Dragic, Tucker, and Tolliver for Kevin Love

Hey, you said it was a two drink min.

[lilfishi22]

The Suns already have a better win percentage than last year so we're better off without Frye.

That said, having all 3 of Bledsoe/Dragic/IT is redundant, while we are a bit short on bigmen, so a trade of one of those 3 for a quality big makes sense.

Given that Bledsoe just extended and has the best Point Guard play and defensive ablity, and that IT just arrived and has been producing well overall with the minutes he's got, Dragic is the most reasonable trade option with his slow start and comments about possibly leaving.

He still has good value, and would likely play better again with a change of scenery. If the Magic are interested, Vucevic would be the ideal target, but Oladipo could be an interesting asset as well if we make another move for a big. Orlando really needs a quality PG, and Dragic would be in charge of the whole show again if he went there.

I still consider Thomas to be our best trade asset. He's easier to trade than either Bledsoe and Dragic because his deal is set for 3 years and at a low salary. Teams know what they are getting from him. Bledsoe's massive deal and previous injuries may turn teams away and likewise with Dragic's FA status at the end of the season.

If it was up to me, I'd try and flip IT + assets for Ilyasova.

[Jdiddy701]

Gerald Green's son was born today. Congrats G!!!


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[Saberestar]

Oladipo it would be great....but he has too much value right now.

[bwgood77]

So Goran is 10x better with Channing here? Okay. Send his ass to Orlando for Oladipo.

Imagine him with EB. Oh god.


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That is actually a very good idea.

Orlando would never do it. Dragic doesn't have trade value to get a really good player, especially a rising young star unless the team new they could re-sign him....I don't even think Orlando would do it anyway, but especially not with a guy that could leave....and you could say that about Green as well (since someone else said to throw him into the deal). Plus this would render Payton useless if they wanted the ball in Dragic's hand and they are trying to develop their young guys. Payton might be a good backup now, but they seem committed to starting him. Oladipo is probably their young cornerstone potential star.

[Saberestar]

The Suns already have a better win percentage than last year so we're better off without Frye.

That said, having all 3 of Bledsoe/Dragic/IT is redundant, while we are a bit short on bigmen, so a trade of one of those 3 for a quality big makes sense.

Given that Bledsoe just extended and has the best Point Guard play and defensive ablity, and that IT just arrived and has been producing well overall with the minutes he's got, Dragic is the most reasonable trade option with his slow start and comments about possibly leaving.

He still has good value, and would likely play better again with a change of scenery. If the Magic are interested, Vucevic would be the ideal target, but Oladipo could be an interesting asset as well if we make another move for a big. Orlando really needs a quality PG, and Dragic would be in charge of the whole show again if he went there.

I still consider Thomas to be our best trade asset. He's easier to trade than either Bledsoe and Dragic because his deal is set for 3 years and at a low salary. Teams know what they are getting from him. Bledsoe's massive deal and previous injuries may turn teams away and likewise with Dragic's FA status at the end of the season.

If it was up to me, I'd try and flip IT + assets for Ilyasova.

I really don't get the fascination with Ilyasova. He is a decent player, but he is not an starting PF on a playoff team. He is not better than Marcus Morris or P.J. Tucker playing that stretch four role, he plays smaller than his size and is a mediocre defender at best so I don't want to trade for him.
Markieff is way better than him at everything...probably even making threes.

[bwgood77]

The Suns already have a better win percentage than last year so we're better off without Frye.

That said, having all 3 of Bledsoe/Dragic/IT is redundant, while we are a bit short on bigmen, so a trade of one of those 3 for a quality big makes sense.

Given that Bledsoe just extended and has the best Point Guard play and defensive ablity, and that IT just arrived and has been producing well overall with the minutes he's got, Dragic is the most reasonable trade option with his slow start and comments about possibly leaving.

He still has good value, and would likely play better again with a change of scenery. If the Magic are interested, Vucevic would be the ideal target, but Oladipo could be an interesting asset as well if we make another move for a big. Orlando really needs a quality PG, and Dragic would be in charge of the whole show again if he went there.

I still consider Thomas to be our best trade asset. He's easier to trade than either Bledsoe and Dragic because his deal is set for 3 years and at a low salary. Teams know what they are getting from him. Bledsoe's massive deal and previous injuries may turn teams away and likewise with Dragic's FA status at the end of the season.

If it was up to me, I'd try and flip IT + assets for Ilyasova.

I agree, and it makes the most sense, and since he is playing well, he holds value, has a great contract, and is the perfect guy to bring in instant offense. He'd be perfect for the Bulls, especially if Rose misses time.

Bledsoe has a hefty contract and no teams need point guards and would likely give up much for him and his contract. I'm sure teams would love to have Dragic but they'd be hesitant to trade much for him since he could leave this summer so he has very limited value.

Oops, I just wrote that response after reading your first sentence about IT being most tradeable, so I guess I just repeated most of what else you said.....I don't know about Ily, but IT is who I would trade...not sure who we could get or how interested teams would be.

[lilfishi22]

The Suns already have a better win percentage than last year so we're better off without Frye.

That said, having all 3 of Bledsoe/Dragic/IT is redundant, while we are a bit short on bigmen, so a trade of one of those 3 for a quality big makes sense.

Given that Bledsoe just extended and has the best Point Guard play and defensive ablity, and that IT just arrived and has been producing well overall with the minutes he's got, Dragic is the most reasonable trade option with his slow start and comments about possibly leaving.

He still has good value, and would likely play better again with a change of scenery. If the Magic are interested, Vucevic would be the ideal target, but Oladipo could be an interesting asset as well if we make another move for a big. Orlando really needs a quality PG, and Dragic would be in charge of the whole show again if he went there.

I still consider Thomas to be our best trade asset. He's easier to trade than either Bledsoe and Dragic because his deal is set for 3 years and at a low salary. Teams know what they are getting from him. Bledsoe's massive deal and previous injuries may turn teams away and likewise with Dragic's FA status at the end of the season.

If it was up to me, I'd try and flip IT + assets for Ilyasova.

I really don't get the fascination with Ilyasova. He is a decent player, but he is not an starting PF on a playoff team. He is not better than Marcus Morris or P.J. Tucker playing that stretch four role, he plays smaller than his size and is a mediocre defender at best so I don't want to trade for him.
Markieff is way better than him at everything...probably even making threes.

Same could be said about Channing Frye. In my opinion, the best way to turn us into a solid playoff team is to get Dragic to return to his All-NBA level production again. I don't see that happening without a stretch-4 and while we Thomas taking minutes and touches away.

In terms of stretch bigs, I think Ily is attainable for a relatively modest price (IT + Tolly?). If we're talking the Horford's or Favors', we would definitely have to move at least one of Bledsoe or Dragic.

[thamadkant]

So Goran is 10x better with Channing here? Okay. Send his ass to Orlando for Oladipo.

Imagine him with EB. Oh god.


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That is actually a very good idea.

Orlando would never do it. Dragic doesn't have trade value to get a really good player, especially a rising young star unless the team new they could re-sign him....I don't even think Orlando would do it anyway, but especially not with a guy that could leave....and you could say that about Green as well (since someone else said to throw him into the deal). Plus this would render Payton useless if they wanted the ball in Dragic's hand and they are trying to develop their young guys. Payton might be a good backup now, but they seem committed to starting him. Oladipo is probably their young cornerstone potential star.

I proposed to throw Green with Dragic to get Magic to agree to trade Oladipo.
Its a a needle in a haystack type of chance.. but Oladipo + Bledsoe + Tucker perimeter defense would be championship contender like... assuming the front court improves a lot.