Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit?

[Magixrok]

Can we just fire Jack Bum now and stop the bleeding?!?!?!

Its Jerk Bum..

come on dude..

[Orlwillbeback]

right now he gets a pass because he has no players. He has no choice but to play green and gordon and dedmon because we have no one else. It's not his fault our only good players are injured. AG, oquinn and tobias being out would cripple any team.

[chosen12141]

right now he gets a pass because he has no players. He has no choice but to play green and gordon and dedmon because we have no one else. It's not his fault our only good players are injured. AG, oquinn and tobias being out would cripple any team.

I agree with you here, well for the most part anyway.

I blamed JV for not playing those guys (MH and AN) at the start of the season, thinking that they put in the work during the off season, maybe not! Points here for JV.

As a coach you can only stress or even demand effort from your team/players each and every game. We will get maximum effort every game from 2 or 3 players and we know their names. This is where the finger is pointed at JV, I don't think he has a clue as to what his players are thinking on a daily basis.

Now he may know when a baby is born, or when some one has a toothache, but what the heck are their roles on this team JV? Do they know? We often point to the rookies being lost in games, that is expected, but we have 2nd and 3rd year guys, who are oblivious as to what the heck is their role! IMHO

The lack of effort caused some of the most hardcore board members to turn the game off last night, even I left it on but muted! The flat, lifeless effort was almost impossible to watch. I felt bad for us!

Now, do not misread me here....... I am not giving JV a pass on this game and the many other tragedies we had to bare in the past, but it all really starts in the locker room!

What would POP do with this group? If he would get in the face of his big three, what would he do with this team just as they sit today?

I think we would have more wins and a better approach, but most importantly a better effort.

Now I am not saying that JV should suddenly become POP, not in the least, but I am saying he is making more (public) excuses for his players and their poor play than demanding (publicly or privately) a better effort from his young team!

Every board member, or fan for that matter knows how to take a loss when they happen, it's expected, but as fans we also expect/demand a max effort from every body, starting with the coach.

[ChosenSavior]

right now he gets a pass because he has no players. He has no choice but to play green and gordon and dedmon because we have no one else. It's not his fault our only good players are injured. AG, oquinn and tobias being out would cripple any team.

I do agree with this which is why I am lowering my expectations for this team going forward until we get AG, O'Quinn and Tobias back. However the poster that quoted you as well does bring up something that has been bothering me for the past two games now. Forget rotations because some want to play like a 7-8 man rotation which is just silly for the beginning of this season. My beef with Jacque is how unprepared we look in games offensively and defensively. We should be a team that relies heavily on ball movement and we have gone away from that multiple times. Instead I'm watching ISO plays with Ben Gordon or Willie freaking Green. Defensively, I think we switch way too much and do a horrible job of showing on the pick and roll (mainly Channing Frye is to blame for this). We also lose assignments routinely and are getting beat off the dribble way too easily which is bothersome since our perimeter defense was supposed to be a strength this season.

I assume that isn't what Jacque wants which leads to another issue on whether he has actual control of his locker room. If he is promoting that type of selfish play, then we are in serious trouble.

[vagnermagic]

Am I the only one who has a problem with the players attitude on the court yesterday?

They looked like they didn't even care about being kicked in the ass by the Cavs.

I agree that JV doesn't help, but they should do whatever they can to win, and I didn't feel like they did it in Cleveland.

[MagicStarwipe]

Enough messing around. It's time to unleash these 2...

[GameOver25]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=431dUrKLKGY[/youtube]

[MagicFan32]

gotta love a coach who sticks with the same lineup, the entire 3rd quarter, and watches them take a 13 point deficit and turn it into 27 and not make a single substitution.

he plays elf at the 2, and forces dipo to stay at pg
he somehow thinks it's a good idea to put willie green on the floor every game.

at one point tonight luke ridnour-ben gordon backcourt was a thing.

he.can.not.coach.

[UCFJayBird]

I gave JV a lot more breaks than most. Gave him the benefit of the doubt. But watching his decision making this season is appalling. His substitution patterns don't make sense and unless he gets lucky and someone gets insanely hot they're usually detrimental. Payton is playing great, and you have Oladipo and Fournier. That should be your rotation with Ridnour, Green, and Gordon getting 10-15 minutes COMBINED per night. Payton should be getting 25-30 per night, with Dipo and Fournier getting 32-35.

Payton comes in tonight in the 1st quarter and plays fantastic. Instantly benched by Vaughn for Ridnour for six minutes until he brings the starters back in. Meanwhile Ridnour does jack squat, along with Green and Gordon.

Meanwhile Frye is stinking up the joint, but let's leave him in there.

The defense of this team is far below what they are capable of, and that comes down to coaching. Defense is one of the biggest areas a coach can impact because it's as much about scheme, preparation, and practice as anything in the NBA. But this team constantly goes to help on players they shouldn't, leaves notoriously good and streaky 3-point shooters wide open, and consistently fails to rotate and gets lost in the shuffle in the middle of the paint.

I can chalk up some losses to injuries, but some of these games now are beyond reproach. I think he gets the rest of this season, but he better hope he figures out his rotation soon or he'll definitely be gone next season.

[Orium]

The same traits that made Vaughn a career backup are also making him a poor coach. I argued this when he was first hired and believe it's more true now than ever.

[Mad Guru]

He should stay the rest of the season, allow the Magic to get another high draft pick, and Hennigan needs to get real about this team and bring in someone who knows how to make in game adjustments.

[Orlwillbeback]

I gave JV a lot more breaks than most. Gave him the benefit of the doubt. But watching his decision making this season is appalling. His substitution patterns don't make sense and unless he gets lucky and someone gets insanely hot they're usually detrimental. Payton is playing great, and you have Oladipo and Fournier. That should be your rotation with Ridnour, Green, and Gordon getting 10-15 minutes COMBINED per night. Payton should be getting 25-30 per night, with Dipo and Fournier getting 32-35.

Payton comes in tonight in the 1st quarter and plays fantastic. Instantly benched by Vaughn for Ridnour for six minutes until he brings the starters back in. Meanwhile Ridnour does jack squat, along with Green and Gordon.

Meanwhile Frye is stinking up the joint, but let's leave him in there.

The defense of this team is far below what they are capable of, and that comes down to coaching. Defense is one of the biggest areas a coach can impact because it's as much about scheme, preparation, and practice as anything in the NBA. But this team constantly goes to help on players they shouldn't, leaves notoriously good and streaky 3-point shooters wide open, and consistently fails to rotate and gets lost in the shuffle in the middle of the paint.

I can chalk up some losses to injuries, but some of these games now are beyond reproach. I think he gets the rest of this season, but he better hope he figures out his rotation soon or he'll definitely be gone next season.

i totally agree with you that the defense has been terrible and would be correctable with a coach that knows how to coach defense.

[crazytown]

I'll be shocked if he makes it through the season...

BTW: Saw this. Thought it was funny. Probably true too...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/537768444356096000[/tweet]

[JF5]

I'll be shocked if he makes it through the season...

BTW: Saw this. Thought it was funny. Probably true too...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/537768444356096000[/tweet]

He's going to get through this season...

Seriously, you guys expected this team to be atop the Eastern Conference this season or something? With the way you guys are hammering at Vaughn it seems like it. We need to seriously have more restraint in this regard.

As to people saying this team would be 5th place. They're still dealing with injuries and chemistry issues. That itself does not fix itself within the first month into the season. Look at the Cavaliers... That team is 7-7 after their overhaul and last year Brooklyn STRUGGLED the first few months of the season after theirs.

This sort of thing takes time.

[cedric76]

I'll be shocked if he makes it through the season...

BTW: Saw this. Thought it was funny. Probably true too...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/537768444356096000[/tweet]

He's going to get through this season...

Seriously, you guys expected this team to be atop the Eastern Conference this season or something? With the way you guys are hammering at Vaughn it seems like it. We need to seriously have more restraint in this regard.

As to people saying this team would be 5th place. They're still dealing with injuries and chemistry issues. That itself does not fix itself within the first month into the season. Look at the Cavaliers... That team is 7-7 after their overhaul and last year Brooklyn STRUGGLED the first few months of the season after theirs.

This sort of thing takes time.

Doesn't matter where we expect the team to be at, we are talking about his coaching skills.

He sucks, plain and simple

[JF5]

Doesn't matter where we expect the team to be at, we are talking about his coaching skills.

He sucks, plain and simple

Outside of the last 2 games against two of the projected top teams in the NBA. This team has competed in nearly every single game. I honestly expected the Magic to get blown out these two games. They're struggling defensively (since the beginning of the season) and offensively they've been stagnant for the last week or so.

Plus, by projection of rational view. This team is where its supposed to be considering the teams that they've played. Especially the last two games. You played a reeling Cavs team that needed a victory; and a Golden State team that is playing at an Elite Level. Add to the factor that this team is dealing with injuries, chemistry issues, and youth/inexperience. The 6-11 record looks right... Vaughn has questionable coaching decisions and I can understand his rationale. But the answer isn't just FIRING a coach. You have to have to look at it from a big picture. Continuity, Consistency, and Development have to be implemented in order for your young guys to be able to develop properly and for a Franchise to be successful. In terms of player development (IMO), Vaughn and his staff have done a fairly good job with the young guys. That's one thing I give him... Now outside of this 3 year period, do the Magic keep when they're primed to compete? That remains to be seen.

I've just never been a fan of reactionary decisions. Those types of decisions can destroy organizations. Not just in the short term, but in the long term aswell... Patience is key, ESPECIALLY for a young team. People seem to forget that this is a young team that is learning on the go. And most of their mistakes won't be because of the coaching. That's what I see in most of these threads when people blame Vaughn for EVERYTHING wrong with this team. Makes no logical sense...

[tiderulz]

I'm not so sure i agree with your opinion on the development aspect. Vic is forcing everything, i think based on JV trying to force him to be a #1 option when he doesnt have the game to do it. Vucevic, im not sure whether his improvement is coaching or just playing time. And Harris development seems to be all playing time. His averages are the same since he got here. Im not seeing players come in with anything new or improved in the 2+ years that JV has been here. And he doesnt seem to be learning on game adjustments to win.

[darthmerrick]

I'll be shocked if he makes it through the season...

BTW: Saw this. Thought it was funny. Probably true too...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/537768444356096000[/tweet]

He's going to get through this season...

Seriously, you guys expected this team to be atop the Eastern Conference this season or something? With the way you guys are hammering at Vaughn it seems like it. We need to seriously have more restraint in this regard.

As to people saying this team would be 5th place. They're still dealing with injuries and chemistry issues. That itself does not fix itself within the first month into the season. Look at the Cavaliers... That team is 7-7 after their overhaul and last year Brooklyn STRUGGLED the first few months of the season after theirs.

This sort of thing takes time.

Not expecting them to be contenders, but when your team is winning games in spite of a coaches ineptitude then you know you don't have the right guy. What has Oladipo shown in practice that he should be playing PG at all, let alone the starting PG?

[Neato]

it's fine to give the coach some credit for wins and development. that makes sense. the problem is that we don't know how much credit to give him since both of those things can be driven by much more than the head coach. what i have a problem with is when we start to downplay observable in-game coaching skills and decisions just because of a few wins or perceived development. however, i'll say I'm cutting him a little slack lately due to the mounting injuries, which restrict his options.

[eyriq]

Hmm, right now we are a (slightly) worse team than last year. Not by much, and injuries and roster turnover are excuses, but regression is not a good sign in a rebuild.

SRS
-5.88 '13-'14
-5.95 '14-'15

Off Rtg
101.7 '13-'14
101.4 '14-'15

Def Rtg
107.4 '13-'14
107.1 '14-'15