Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit?

[ezzzp]

JF5: But the answer isn't just FIRING a coach. You have to have to look at it from a big picture. Continuity, Consistency, and Development have to be implemented in order for your young guys to be able to develop properly and for a Franchise to be successful.

I agree - Hennigan can not make a knee jerk decision with JV; stability is a big ingredient in maturation.

That doesn't mean that JV is safe beyond this season, he is no doubt being measured this year. Hennigan is about process and numbers and he doesn't have enough data on JV yet - nobody does since its pretty clear that the last two seasons were about the draft.

But, thus far from the outside looking in, JV doesn't seem to have it - at least not with the small sample size of this season.

[Orlwillbeback]

Doesn't matter where we expect the team to be at, we are talking about his coaching skills.

He sucks, plain and simple

Outside of the last 2 games against two of the projected top teams in the NBA. This team has competed in nearly every single game. I honestly expected the Magic to get blown out these two games. They're struggling defensively (since the beginning of the season) and offensively they've been stagnant for the last week or so.

Plus, by projection of rational view. This team is where its supposed to be considering the teams that they've played. Especially the last two games. You played a reeling Cavs team that needed a victory; and a Golden State team that is playing at an Elite Level. Add to the factor that this team is dealing with injuries, chemistry issues, and youth/inexperience. The 6-11 record looks right... Vaughn has questionable coaching decisions and I can understand his rationale. But the answer isn't just FIRING a coach. You have to have to look at it from a big picture. Continuity, Consistency, and Development have to be implemented in order for your young guys to be able to develop properly and for a Franchise to be successful. In terms of player development (IMO), Vaughn and his staff have done a fairly good job with the young guys. That's one thing I give him... Now outside of this 3 year period, do the Magic keep when they're primed to compete? That remains to be seen.

I've just never been a fan of reactionary decisions. Those types of decisions can destroy organizations. Not just in the short term, but in the long term aswell... Patience is key, ESPECIALLY for a young team. People seem to forget that this is a young team that is learning on the go. And most of their mistakes won't be because of the coaching. That's what I see in most of these threads when people blame Vaughn for EVERYTHING wrong with this team. Makes no logical sense...

You honestly think weve been feveloping players with green, ridnour and ben gordon out there? Payton needs to be playing more and cant because we have these 30 year old scrubs playing ahead of him.

[Orlwillbeback]

I'm not so sure i agree with your opinion on the development aspect. Vic is forcing everything, i think based on JV trying to force him to be a #1 option when he doesnt have the game to do it. Vucevic, im not sure whether his improvement is coaching or just playing time. And Harris development seems to be all playing time. His averages are the same since he got here. Im not seeing players come in with anything new or improved in the 2+ years that JV has been here. And he doesnt seem to be learning on game adjustments to win.

This echoes the way i feel as jv.

[OrlChamps2030]

I'll be shocked if he makes it through the season...

BTW: Saw this. Thought it was funny. Probably true too...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/537768444356096000[/tweet]

He's going to get through this season...

Seriously, you guys expected this team to be atop the Eastern Conference this season or something? With the way you guys are hammering at Vaughn it seems like it. We need to seriously have more restraint in this regard.

As to people saying this team would be 5th place. They're still dealing with injuries and chemistry issues. That itself does not fix itself within the first month into the season. Look at the Cavaliers... That team is 7-7 after their overhaul and last year Brooklyn STRUGGLED the first few months of the season after theirs.

This sort of thing takes time.

David Blatt is going to get fired and Jason Kidd would have been fired if it wasn't his first season

Jock Vaughn will get fired once the season is over. He was never meant to be the coach of the future. He was hired because he's a beta yes-man who does what the front office wants him to. No coach with any credibility would take a job to tank for 2 years and tarnish his coaching record for the rest of his career.

[woosah]

Ok, this may be a dumb question but i'm gonna ask because i don't know and want insight. JV said last night "these guys will be here and so they need to find a way to co-exist and play together...and that's the challenge for us and i hope they are ready". What does that really mean?

Can there be things happening behind the scenes and he wants them to work it out among themselves and is letting them fight for alpha positions on the team by performance? So when we see these long stretches of time with no subs he is giving them the rope to hang themselves or room to shine in their push to be #1?

Shouldn't a coach be deciding what the pecking order is and who will have what roles on the team? I have seen people say "oh SVG would have these guys winning" and i can at least see that he was more authoritative with the players and they knew what their responsibilities were and there was accountability when they didn't play their role. Where's the structure on this team? Why is it that when they go into halftime or time outs, they come out and basically look the same in most games? Does that mean they are not listening to him or that he is not making adjustments? Does that mean they have not bought into what he wants to do? Help me understand why we seem to be on a treadmill in the cellar of the league right now. I KNOW the schedule is hard and we are playing better teams, but it's not okay that we don't even look like a real team right now.

[Neato]

he seems like someone who is learning through trial and error and hasn't figured out the solution yet

[cedric76]

I m sick of Jv

His rotation is terrible

Stuckey get hot so he put Gordon on him, wtf???

We r getting crushed on the board so u go small ball, wtf?

Koq only 13 min? Lol

Willie+Ben total 29 min lol



Jv sucks

We all want to see DIPO and EP on the floor together, when he does he has DIPO move up the ball while Ep is waiting in corner 3 (ala moe) when everybody knows that he won't fire the 3, awesome way to stretch the floor.

I must be masochistic to watch every single game

Can't stand the combo Ben +JV

[BadMofoPimp]

Lets put this in Perspective.

How can this team:

Ian Mahinmi
David West
Solomon Hill
Rodney Stuckey
Donald Sloan

Beat the freaking crap out of the Magic with Harris, Vooch and Oladipo?

Coaching. That is the answer. Pacers have a legit coach and Magic have Jock Bum!

Magic will not be considered competitive until they make that coaching change.

[Neato]

I m sick of Jv

His rotation is terrible

Stuckey get hot so he put Gordon on him, wtf???

We r getting crushed on the board so u go small ball, wtf?

Koq only 13 min? Lol

Willie+Ben total 29 min lol



Jv sucks

We all want to see DIPO and EP on the floor together, when he does he has DIPO move up the ball while Ep is waiting in corner 3 (ala moe) when everybody knows that he won't fire the 3, awesome way to stretch the floor.

I must be masochistic to watch every single game

Can't stand the combo Ben +JV

You made a lot of great points. The part I underlined is the strangest of them all in the sense that I wouldn't have expected that even from JV.

[Neato]

I would imagine henny is allowing jv time to learn on the job. I'm sure henny wasn't expecting jv to come in and be a great coach immediately. the question is what is henny's timeline for jv to demonstrate competent coaching skills?

[BadMofoPimp]

I would imagine henny is allowing jv time to learn on the job. I'm sure henny wasn't expecting jv to come in and be a great coach immediately. the question is what is henny's timeline for jv to demonstrate competent coaching skills?

It is clear as day that after 2 years and a 1/4 of the third year that Vaughn has not demonstrated competent coaching skills. He just got outcoached then terribly outplayed by Sloan, Solomon Hill, Mahinmi and Rodney Stuckey.

It can't get anyworse than that as a coach. Vaughn flat out sucks balls as an NBA coach. He should go back to being a technical advisor to another legit coach like he was before.

[Neato]

I would imagine henny is allowing jv time to learn on the job. I'm sure henny wasn't expecting jv to come in and be a great coach immediately. the question is what is henny's timeline for jv to demonstrate competent coaching skills?

It is clear as day that after 2 years and a 1/4 of the third year that Vaughn has not demonstrated competent coaching skills. He just got outcoached then terribly outplayed by Sloan, Solomon Hill, Mahinmi and Rodney Stuckey.

It can't get anyworse than that as a coach. Vaughn flat out sucks balls as an NBA coach. He should go back to being a technical advisor to another legit coach like he was before.

I don't have any patience left for JV, but the FO does. his contract was extended recently, right? it would be nice to know what the timeline is for jv.

[tooler]

Lets put this in Perspective.

How can this team:

Ian Mahinmi
David West
Solomon Hill
Rodney Stuckey
Donald Sloan

Beat the freaking crap out of the Magic with Harris, Vooch and Oladipo?

There's only one answer. All those Pacers are max-contract superstars!

[BadMofoPimp]

I just can't get over being crushed and outplayed by:

Ian Mahinmi
David West
Solomon Hill
Rodney Stuckey
Donald Sloan

It just doesn't compute. Heck, Harris, Oladipo and Vooch have been playing together longer than these guys have played together.

How can 2nd and 3rd stringers Whup the Magic so easily.

I am very confused. This cannot be true. What happened?

Nobody should mention again that Magic don't have enough talent because they just got crushed by a talentless team out side of David West. And, he definitely didn't beat the Magic by himself.

[p0peye]

Lets put this in Perspective.

How can this team:

Ian Mahinmi
David West
Solomon Hill
Rodney Stuckey
Donald Sloan

Beat the freaking crap out of the Magic with Harris, Vooch and Oladipo?

Coaching. That is the answer. Pacers have a legit coach and Magic have Jock Bum!

Magic will not be considered competitive until they make that coaching change.

Yoda agrees.

[Gomagic44]

I just can't get over being crushed and outplayed by:

Ian Mahinmi
David West
Solomon Hill
Rodney Stuckey
Donald Sloan

It just doesn't compute. Heck, Harris, Oladipo and Vooch have been playing together longer than these guys have played together.

How can 2nd and 3rd stringers Whup the Magic so easily.

I am very confused. This cannot be true. What happened?

Nobody should mention again that Magic don't have enough talent because they just got crushed by a talentless team out side of David West. And, he definitely didn't beat the Magic by himself.

Did you mean no one should mention again that we DO have enough talent?

I agree with you though. We look horrible. And I agree with the other poster, it's Massachistic watching us lately. Fire him now, what do we have to lose? Unit cohesion lolol. But man pimp, that pacers roster looks like crap. Because it is crap, just not as crappy as us.


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[MagicMadness]

Based on the talent we have, we're right about where I expected us to be record-wise. We are one of the youngest teams in the league, with a relatively weak bench. We have no superstars, no 20ppg scorers, no defensive anchors. Plus, our schedule has been brutal.

The key youngsters are improving, gelling, really coming into their own. At this point, winning games is just the icing on the cake. That's a rebuild.

[Driguez]

I think we have already waited abit, fire him naw

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[cedric76]

Jock almost cost us this game again

He needs to go

[Ducklett]