30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

As the chief advocate for the Hornets drafting Noah, I clearly want him to get minutes. He needs court time to grow his game. I believe he will bring much more than Max does, in every category.

All he has to do is walk out of the locker room for that to occur.

[yosemiteben]

As the chief advocate for the Hornets drafting Noah, I clearly want him to get minutes. He needs court time to grow his game. I believe he will bring much more than Max does, in every category.

All he has to do is walk out of the locker room for that to occur.

By no means am I advocating Maxiell getting PT, but the extent to which he is a negative is dramatically exaggerated on here, at least when you look at the stats. Our defense was actually surprisingly good when he was on the floor - his net rating is -9.8, while our offense was a wash. Our FG% allowed went down 5% when he was on the floor. If you look at his specific FG% allowed stats, they really aren't that bad - they're basically comparable to Biz.

Plus the guy really hasn't played since Marvin got healthy anyway. Since we lost to POR, he's only played meaningful minutes in two games that weren't blowouts, GSW and IND. That's two out of our last twelve games.

[TheKingofSting]

Tricky Ricky is blocking people on twitter over this now.

[Eoghan]

There have been lineups where Max at PF and Biz at C were clever and a lot more effective than Marv and Biz. Very brief glimpses and only happened b/c Marv and Noah were scratches but still, Maxiell is a decent backup PF option IMO.

That being said, I'm for finding minutes for Noah wherever you can for development reasons. I don't see why "not ready" is an issue here, all you have to do is tell him to rebound, hustle, and contest with his length and he's already just as effective if not more so than any of our PFs.

[Liver_Pooty]

There have been lineups where Max at PF and Biz at C were clever and a lot more effective than Marv and Biz. Very brief glimpses and only happened b/c Marv and Noah were scratches but still, Maxiell is a decent backup PF option IMO.

That being said, I'm for finding minutes for Noah wherever you can for development reasons. I don't see why "not ready" is an issue here, all you have to do is tell him to rebound, hustle, and contest with his length and he's already just as effective if not more so than any of our PFs.

I love your sig. Lol what kinda bet did you lose to get that?

[Diop]

i think Dave's just being honest and owning up to a bad draft selection.

I will admit I was intrigued by Royce as well, talent wise he looked like a Diaw upgrade.

[Liver_Pooty]

i think Dave's just being honest and owning up to a bad draft selection.

I will admit I was intrigued by Royce as well, talent wise he looked like a Diaw upgrade.

Talent wise he was great. Can't disagree with that.

[Eoghan]

There have been lineups where Max at PF and Biz at C were clever and a lot more effective than Marv and Biz. Very brief glimpses and only happened b/c Marv and Noah were scratches but still, Maxiell is a decent backup PF option IMO.

That being said, I'm for finding minutes for Noah wherever you can for development reasons. I don't see why "not ready" is an issue here, all you have to do is tell him to rebound, hustle, and contest with his length and he's already just as effective if not more so than any of our PFs.

I love your sig. Lol what kinda bet did you lose to get that?

No bet, I was just tired of revisionist history taking my Royce White stance out of context.

[KembaWalker]

There have been lineups where Max at PF and Biz at C were clever and a lot more effective than Marv and Biz. Very brief glimpses and only happened b/c Marv and Noah were scratches but still, Maxiell is a decent backup PF option IMO.

That being said, I'm for finding minutes for Noah wherever you can for development reasons. I don't see why "not ready" is an issue here, all you have to do is tell him to rebound, hustle, and contest with his length and he's already just as effective if not more so than any of our PFs.

I love your sig. Lol what kinda bet did you lose to get that?

No bet, I was just tired of revisionist history taking my Royce White stance out of context.

to be fair you said you'd take him 2nd overall. can't hate too much, I liked Thomas Robinson

[Eoghan]

I love your sig. Lol what kinda bet did you lose to get that?

No bet, I was just tired of revisionist history taking my Royce White stance out of context.

to be fair you said you'd take him 2nd overall. can't hate too much, I liked Thomas Robinson

No, not fair, hence the sig. I said he had 2nd overall talent and was better than MKG, which was true at the time. He almost beat Kentucky by himself. If I was privy to his character issues I wouldn't have done that, I wouldn't have drafted him top 5 regardless b/c his draft stock in no way justified that. I was really surprised he went as high as he did, I wanted Charlotte to trade down with Indiana and draft Drummond and White if he was there at 24 or whatever that late first rounder was.

[KembaWalker]

No bet, I was just tired of revisionist history taking my Royce White stance out of context.

to be fair you said you'd take him 2nd overall. can't hate too much, I liked Thomas Robinson

No, not fair, hence the sig. I said he had 2nd overall talent and was better than MKG, which was true at the time. He almost beat Kentucky by himself. If I was privy to his character issues I wouldn't have done that, I wouldn't have drafted him top 5 regardless b/c his draft stock in no way justified that. I was really surprised he went as high as he did, I wanted Charlotte to trade down with Indiana and draft Drummond and White if he was there at 24 or whatever that late first rounder was.

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I'd take him over anybody not named Anthony Davis.

[Eoghan]

to be fair you said you'd take him 2nd overall. can't hate too much, I liked Thomas Robinson

No, not fair, hence the sig. I said he had 2nd overall talent and was better than MKG, which was true at the time. He almost beat Kentucky by himself. If I was privy to his character issues I wouldn't have done that, I wouldn't have drafted him top 5 regardless b/c his draft stock in no way justified that. I was really surprised he went as high as he did, I wanted Charlotte to trade down with Indiana and draft Drummond and White if he was there at 24 or whatever that late first rounder was.

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I'd take him over anybody not named Anthony Davis.

Exactly what I'm talking about, poor reading comprehension. Look at the whole quote:

Yeah, he's a first round lock for sure. He should go in that 5-10 range but NBA GMs will pass him up for safer picks and he'll probably hover around 15-20. His knocks are: anxiety disorder, past run ins with the law (related to disorder, reason he transferred from Minnesota to Iowa St), weight issue, not a consistent shooter.

But IMO the strengths far outweigh those red flags and I'd take him over anybody not named Anthony Davis. NBA trainers should take care of that weight and anxiety thing much better than in college.

This is not the same as "Charlotte should draft him with their pick." I emphasized 'should,' inferring that I acknowledge that he won't go in the 5-10 range, where I think his talent should be. I guessed correctly as early as June 7th that he'd go "around 15-20" (he went 16th) which we can infer that I was pretty aware of his draft stock's actual value. And again in the last part: "I'd take him over..." "I would" does not equal "Charlotte should." Just going off pure talent I would have taken White over anybody not named Anthony Davis but that ignores the reality of other factors considered in making a draft pick. I hate it when GMs reach on a draft pick, it's my biggest pet peeve and I've blasted Charlotte GMs for this for years. It would have been impossibly out of character for me to want Charlotte to draft a guy many people had slotted going in the 2nd round as a top 5 pick.

[BobsBuddy]

I am missing something through all the talk. Why is Noah not playing splitting minutes with Biz.
I'll bet if coach tried this Biz's hinder would be shinning the pine before long. Biz might even get traded.

[JDR720]

The question Charlotte Hornets fans ask me most: “Why isn’t Noah Vonleh playing more?”

Rookie Vonleh was the ninth overall pick in June’s draft. He’s a power forward, which means he’s playing behind Cody Zeller, Marvin Williams and sometimes Jason Maxiell.

Entering Saturday’s home game against the Orlando Magic, Vonleh had played a total of 32 minutes this season over four games (most recently the last seven minutes of a blowout loss in Oklahoma City Friday).

The context on this is Vonleh had surgery in early September to repair a sports hernia. That cost him the voluntary workouts, where the basics of the Hornets’ system were taught, plus almost all of the preseason.

I asked Hornets coach Steve Clifford to offer specifics why he doesn’t play Vonleh in anything but mop-up minutes right now.

”It’s the speed of the game: To play consistent, regular minutes you have to have a comfort level with how the NBA game is played,” Clifford said. “Unfortunately once the season starts you only have certain stretches of the year where you can practice a lot.

“He’s a 19-year-old who missed all of September, when the foundation was put in, and all of October and is now playing catch-up.

“The thing that gives him a chance is he’s very gifted and a great worker. But it would be tough for anybody” to catch up quickly after missing his rookie preseason.
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... t-now.html

[TheKingofSting]

Hopefully he will be a surprise in the second half of the season.

[KembaWalker]

reminds me of coming out of college and every entry level job posting was asking for 5 years of experience in the field. Noah isn't going to have a comfort level with how the NBA game is played until he plays regular minutes in NBA games. If Clifford can't get over his Maxiell fetish at least deactivate Pargo who is obviously a garbage time only player. dumb

[Radu_Hornets]

reminds me of coming out of college and every entry level job posting was asking for 5 years of experience in the field. Noah isn't going to have a comfort level with how the NBA game is played until he plays regular minutes in NBA games. If Clifford can't get over his Maxiell fetish at least deactivate Pargo who is obviously a garbage time only player. dumb

Pargo is more important to the team than Al.

[James Gatz]

Vonleh to the D-league

http://www.nba.com/hornets/hornets-assign-noah-vonleh-fort-wayne-mad-ants-nba-d-league

[LamarMatic7]

Well, at least it's something.

I've previously expressed how we might have the worst D-League affiliate situation possible. But, hey, no harm in giving it a try and seeing how many minutes and what kind of touches he might get down there.

If we're more interested in giving Jason Maxiell garbage minutes, might as well try this.

[MasterIchiro]

Can Vonleh take fellow draftee and professional D-leaguer PJ Hairston with him? Use an airline that honors group discounts.