Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

LUKE23 · Post #561 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:01 pm

Unfortunate tweet from Kyler but not unexpected.

Post #562 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:04 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Unfortunate tweet from Kyler but not unexpected.

The question is whether last night's injury changes anything.

Giannis Parker · Post #563 » by **Giannis Parker** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:09 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Unfortunate tweet from Kyler but not unexpected.

The question is wether last night's injury changes anything.

I do not think last nights injury changes a thing.

Parker is good yes, but he was not playing at level so great that it means we should blow it all up and make irrational decisions.

This is about the future, I do not expect the Bucks to be actively seeking trades, but if a team calls with an offer that makes us better in the future, I am sure we will listen.

Matches Malone · Post #564 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:11 pm

I'm intrigued by Shabazz Muhammad. Was never a huge fan of his coming out with all the hype and he wasn't anything special at UCLA or his rookie year but he seems to be putting it together as of late. I'd love to have him in our future plans.

Post #565 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:12 pm

Last nights injury may have cost the Bucks 50,000 ticket sales over the remaining 30 or so games. The big picture is Jabari's long term health. But short term this is a kick in the ass for this team.

Badgerlander · Post #566 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:13 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Unfortunate tweet from Kyler but not unexpected.

The question is wether last night's injury changes anything.

it puts the 8th seed firmly in our wheelhouse

Post #567 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:15 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Unfortunate tweet from Kyler but not unexpected.

The question is wether last night's injury changes anything.

it puts the 8th seed firmly in our wheelhouse

I can guarantee that Wes and Marc will be thinking hard tonight about a tank. They'll talk, then bring Kidd into it tomorrow.

Badgerlander · Post #568 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:17 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Last nights injury may have cost the Bucks 50,000 ticket sales over the remaining 30 or so games. The big picture is Jabari's long term health. But short term this is a kick in the ass for this team.

It puts all of the pressure squarely on Giannis's shoulders to make the playoffs. Wonder how many loses before Bayless becomes the starting PG.

Badgerlander · Post #569 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:18 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
The question is wether last night's injury changes anything.

it puts the 8th seed firmly in our wheelhouse

I can guarantee that Wes and Marc will be thinking hard tonight about a tank. They'll talk, then bring Kidd into it tomorrow.

doubt it, but we'll see

Ron Swanson · Post #570 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:19 pm

Matches Malone wrote:I'm intrigued by Shabazz Muhammad. Was never a huge fan of his coming out with all the hype and he wasn't anything special at UCLA or his rookie year but he seems to be putting it together as of late. I'd love to have him in our future plans.

I have to admit I might have been wrong about Shabazz. He's putting up pretty decent numbers off the bench on very good efficiency. Not sure what another 6'8 scoring wing does for us though, other than further contribute to the logjam at SF/PF. I'm also not sure the Wolves are in any hurry to deal him.

Dieng is the guy I would inquire about, but I doubt they're open to dealing him either. Injuries have (wisely) put them in full rebuild mode.

Matches Malone · Post #571 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:19 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
The question is wether last night's injury changes anything.

it puts the 8th seed firmly in our wheelhouse

I can guarantee that Wes and Marc will be thinking hard tonight about a tank. They'll talk, then bring Kidd into it tomorrow.

That would be the best case scenario in my opinion. I was tweeting back and forth with Kyler and he thinks there is no need for them to make changes because you want the future guys to learn and get a taste of the playoffs, but I think that if Jabari is out for a long period, then a major part of our future won't be getting that taste first hand so it makes no sense to try and continue to push for the playoffs on the backs of vets, especially when their value is high and we could possibly get some assets for the future of this team.

Lippo · Post #572 » by **Lippo** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:20 pm

Matches Malone wrote:I'm intrigued by Shabazz Muhammad. Was never a huge fan of his coming out with all the hype and he wasn't anything special at UCLA or his rookie year but he seems to be putting it together as of late. I'd love to have him in our future plans.

Yep , he would be a great 2 if Knight isn't playing PG, either would make a great 6th man.

Matches Malone · Post #573 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:21 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:I'm intrigued by Shabazz Muhammad. Was never a huge fan of his coming out with all the hype and he wasn't anything special at UCLA or his rookie year but he seems to be putting it together as of late. I'd love to have him in our future plans.

I have to admit I might have been wrong about Shabazz. He's putting up pretty decent numbers off the bench on very good efficiency. Not sure what another 6'8 scoring wing does for us though, other than further contribute to the logjam at SF/PF. I'm also not sure the Wolves are in any hurry to deal him.

Dieng is the guy I would inquire about, but I doubt they're open to dealing him either. Injuries have (wisely) put them in full rebuild mode.

Agreed on the logjam but if you could move Ilyasova, Henson and if Middleton asks for too much in free agency, he could be a nice grab. I'm not very partial to any of the SF/PF guys we have on the team other than Giannis, Parker and Inglis.

Lippo · Post #574 » by **Lippo** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:22 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:I'm intrigued by Shabazz Muhammad. Was never a huge fan of his coming out with all the hype and he wasn't anything special at UCLA or his rookie year but he seems to be putting it together as of late. I'd love to have him in our future plans.

I have to admit I might have been wrong about Shabazz. He's putting up pretty decent numbers off the bench on very good efficiency. Not sure what another 6'8 scoring wing does for us though, other than further contribute to the logjam at SF/PF. I'm also not sure the Wolves are in any hurry to deal him.

Dieng is the guy I would inquire about, but I doubt they're open to dealing him either. Injuries have (wisely) put them in full rebuild mode.

He's 6'5-'6'6, could be our starting 2 if we move BK.

Ersan/2 2nds for Shabaaz and Mo

PG:Knight/Marshall/Wolters
SG: Mayo/Bayless/Knight
SF: Shabaaz/Middleton/Dudley
PF: Giannis/Henson/JOB
C: Sanders/Zaza/Henson

Post #575 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:24 pm

The team will do well with Giannis at PF, IMO. But at the end of the day, we got 22-25 really valuable minutes out of Jabari. I know people like to say "advanced stats, we will be better" but I don't buy it. Usually Kidd was only playing Jabari in situations where he was doing well.

Then you look at the psychological side of this. The team and fanbase have to be crushed right now. Does it really make sense to massively push for the 8th seed on the backs of ZaZa and Ersan? Especially when one of our two franchise cornerstones faces an uncertain future depending on his rehab?

I just think Wes and Marc are smart enough to know they've got a window here now to tank.

PANDEMONEUM · Post #576 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:28 pm

if Jabari is out for the year,
then id prefer to miss the playoffs
and get a decent draft pick

the decision on Knight
also plays a huge role on what we do moving forward
im unsure if hes a starter
but positive hed b a great backup guard

the top 8 players, are my concern
everyone else is just a piece
to help us acquire top8 guys

pg, sg, giannis, jabari, sanders
knight, middleton, C/PF

we can hold onto inglis also
until we see what he can do

if we can get another 1st round pick
using any of the players not mentioned
im 100% for that
i could even be convinced of moving guys for a younger and 2 2nd round picks

tski1972 · Post #577 » by **tski1972** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:31 pm

what are they going to tank for? the 8th pick?

Post #578 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:34 pm

tski1972 wrote:what are they going to tank for? the 8th pick?

Picks 7-9 and more lotto balls much better than pick 15.

Plus playing time for Henson, JOB, Giannis at PF/C

Then maybe you pick up another first or developmental players in a trade and give them PT (Vonleh, Zeller, etc).

Post #579 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:36 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Unfortunate tweet from Kyler but not unexpected.

The question is whether last night's injury changes anything.

Didn't want to say it last night, but the thought that this gives them a casual-fan reason to punt on the season had occurred to me.

Post #580 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:39 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Unfortunate tweet from Kyler but not unexpected.

The question is whether last night's injury changes anything.

Didn't want to say it last night, but the thought that this gives them a casual-fan reason to punt on the season had occurred to me.

Yep. Been common NBA practice for every team in the league to think of a tank if their marquee player goes down. League has been doing it since the Spurs got Duncan, and really before that even.

*Yes I know Giannis is our best player and ludicrously marketable. But Jabari was the face of the franchise to the casual media and casual fan.