Draymond Green discussion...and "californiadude" blackmail.

[Amish Mafioso]

TNT just mentioned Green will be a un restricted free agent at the end of the season how the hell is that possible again? Wasn't there a rule created that protects teams from good 2nd rounders leaving after Arenas left us as an unrestricted free agent? We might need to pay Draymond $14+million /yr now.

Everywhere I've looked shows him as restricted. Even if for some reason he wasn't, I doubt you'd have to worry too much about him leaving, considering the way things are going.

Either way, I do think you guys are going to have to pay him some serious coin next year. What is your FO's policy on paying the luxury tax? You guys will already be over it next year, even without a big raise for Green.

[510TWSS]

I also love that you are saying he wouldn't have gotten playing time because of his FT shooting, yet last time you had this discussion with Onus you said Andris Biedrins would have played over Drummond because he's more experienced.

Yes, he would have played and experienced Biedrins over a 19 year old Rookie who only played one year in college. And yes, his bad ft shooting wouldn't have helped his cause.

I'm glad you can admit that you think he would have played Andris Biedrins over Andre Drummond. That brings a smile to my face.

Mark Jackson started rookie Festus Ezeli. He started rookie Harrison Barnes. He started rookie Klay Thompson. He started rookie Jeremy Tyler.

But rookie Andre Drummond? No, we need the experience of Andris Biedrins on the floor.

Tyler didn't make his first start until March 21st into that season and only because Biedrins went down due to injury. He started the 23 games to end the season. I'm sure if we had a healthy alternative, that person would've started for us during that time.

[510TWSS]

I hope Dray gets his shot back soon. In 15 November games he shot .357 3pt% on 70 attempts (4.66/game). In 12 December games he's shooting .294 3pt% on 51 attempts (4.25/game). Hopefully we see more November Draymond than December Draymond. At least offensively speaking that is.

[turk3d]

I hope Dray gets his shot back soon. In 15 November games he shot .357 3pt% on 70 attempts (4.66/game). In 12 December games he's shooting .294 3pt% on 51 attempts (4.25/game). Hopefully we see more November Draymond than December Draymond. At least offensively speaking that is.

I think that's what we've been lacking in these losses. In order for Dray to compete with these guys who are way bigger than he is, he needs to be able to hit his 3s. He's been the 3rd guy (behind Curry & Klay) that makes it impossible for other teams to defend us, when he's making his outside shots. When he's not, we can be easily defended by the good teams. When Dray's hitting them, Steph and Klay will get much better looks, and the opposing PF will have to come out from underneath, opening the door for many other plays offensively for us.

[oaktownwarriors87]

TNT just mentioned Green will be a un restricted free agent at the end of the season how the hell is that possible again? Wasn't there a rule created that protects teams from good 2nd rounders leaving after Arenas left us as an unrestricted free agent? We might need to pay Draymond $14+million /yr now.

Everywhere I've looked shows him as restricted. Even if for some reason he wasn't, I doubt you'd have to worry too much about him leaving, considering the way things are going.

Either way, I do think you guys are going to have to pay him some serious coin next year. What is your FO's policy on paying the luxury tax? You guys will already be over it next year, even without a big raise for Green.

He's restricted. And he is shooting 28% from 3 point land this month. At his current rate I doubt he gets over 10 million a year.

[cladden]

Draymond doesn't deserver over 10 mill. If he keeps it up looking as good as he has all season I could see 10 being kinda fair but anything in excess of that you have to consider letting him go.

[DynastySS]

Can we trade this **** already?

[Mylie10]

When Kevin Durant forces his way to be traded here...having Draymond making 10 mil will help salaries match.

[Kuya]

$10 million is a steal for Draymond's value.

He's an All-NBA level defender that can play as a stretch 4. That's an extremely rare combo.

[510TWSS]

I forget who it was on the radio but some reporter/writer called Dray the "udonis Haslem" of our team and likened him to what Haslem brought the Heat in their first title and bridged the gap to their next run. I kinda agree with that, not in terms of player comparison but an unheralded player who is tough, plays D and is passable enough offensively to play extended minutes. Not a top 3 player on your team but is integral to the success of your team and culture. That's how I view Dray.

In 2010 Haslem resigned with the Heat for 5 years and 20 million. Reports indicated that he could've received $14 more over the 5 years if he had chosen Dallas or Denver. If we go forward with that and add for inflation (please don't trust my math though, it's a rough estimate) would Dray accept a contract for 5 years at $36 million. I'd add incentives in there so he could make a little more while still dangling a carrot. He'd be making $7+ million a year which might seem low to some, i'd like to see if he'd start the conversation there though.

[turk3d]

I forget who it was on the radio but some reporter/writer called Dray the "udonis Haslem" of our team and likened him to what Haslem brought the Heat in their first title and bridged the gap to their next run. I kinda agree with that, not in terms of player comparison but an unheralded player who is tough, plays D and is passable enough offensively to play extended minutes. Not a top 3 player on your team but is integral to the success of your team and culture. That's how I view Dray.

In 2010 Haslem resigned with the Heat for 5 years and 20 million. Reports indicated that he could've received $14 more over the 5 years if he had chosen Dallas or Denver. If we go forward with that and add for inflation (please don't trust my math though, it's a rough estimate) would Dray accept a contract for 5 years at $36 million. I'd add incentives in there so he could make a little more while still dangling a carrot. He'd be making $7+ million a year which might seem low to some, i'd like to see if he'd start the conversation there though.

Actually a good comparison (for all the reasons you mentioned) but I'd say Dray is considerably better because he can shoot 3s (which Haslem can't) and can defend all 5 position on the floor (which Haslem can only defend 2) so I expect Dray will demand a lot more. However, if he continue to play the way he has played recently (which is a dropoff imo, especially shooting) that'll cut into what he'll be getting paid. I do expect a significant hometown discount from him, as he seems to be pretty loyal. I think $8-$10M should be a reasonable target for him, unless he goes MVP the rest of the season which I doubt.

[510TWSS]

I forget who it was on the radio but some reporter/writer called Dray the "udonis Haslem" of our team and likened him to what Haslem brought the Heat in their first title and bridged the gap to their next run. I kinda agree with that, not in terms of player comparison but an unheralded player who is tough, plays D and is passable enough offensively to play extended minutes. Not a top 3 player on your team but is integral to the success of your team and culture. That's how I view Dray.

In 2010 Haslem resigned with the Heat for 5 years and 20 million. Reports indicated that he could've received $14 more over the 5 years if he had chosen Dallas or Denver. If we go forward with that and add for inflation (please don't trust my math though, it's a rough estimate) would Dray accept a contract for 5 years at $36 million. I'd add incentives in there so he could make a little more while still dangling a carrot. He'd be making $7+ million a year which might seem low to some, i'd like to see if he'd start the conversation there though.

Actually a good comparison (for all the reasons you mentioned) but I'd say Dray is considerably better because he can shoot 3s (which Haslem can't) and can defend all 5 position on the floor (which Haslem can only defend 2) so I expect Dray will demand a lot more. However, if he continue to play the way he has played recently (which is a dropoff imo, especially shooting) that'll cut into what he'll be getting paid. I do expect a significant hometown discount from him, as he seems to be pretty loyal. I think $8-$10M should be a reasonable target for him, unless he goes MVP the rest of the season which I doubt.

Haha if he goes MVP mode then just rip up everything I just wrote. I'd say ideally I'd like to sign him around $8M/year. I'd have to think long and hard but I still might do it at $10M/year as long as it doesn't escalate year after year. You do bring a good point up about 3pt range and defensive versatility. Like I said my contract offer would start there but I'm willing to negotiate.

[Mylie10]

You pay winners....because the goal is to win.

[510TWSS]

You pay winners....because the goal is to win.

I agree Mike, I agree.

[turk3d]

You pay winners....because the goal is to win.

I totally agree with you on that Mylie. All contracts will be under review next year based on how we fare as a team this season. If by some miracle (ha ha) we take it all this year, then most likely just about everyone will be safe and the tax shouldn't be an issue until the following year. However, . . . . .... if we don't, that's a completely different story.

[old rem]

TNT just mentioned Green will be a un restricted free agent at the end of the season how the hell is that possible again? Wasn't there a rule created that protects teams from good 2nd rounders leaving after Arenas left us as an unrestricted free agent? We might need to pay Draymond $14+million /yr now.

Everywhere I've looked shows him as restricted. Even if for some reason he wasn't, I doubt you'd have to worry too much about him leaving, considering the way things are going.

Either way, I do think you guys are going to have to pay him some serious coin next year. What is your FO's policy on paying the luxury tax? You guys will already be over it next year, even without a big raise for Green.

I heard that too. AFAIK... coming off a rookie deal a guy is RESTRICTED. I'd been hearing restricted. I think the TV guys just made a mistake. Fairly likely we have restricted + Bird Rights and Dray STAYS.


Dray is an undersize tweener PF who fills the stat sheet yet is NOT a 15 ppg guy,a 10 reb guy. $14 mill? NO WAY. He's a super "role guy". He MIGHT be offered $11 mill. Is GSW willing to pay Lux Tax? YES. No problem.

OTHER TEAMS... try to create fear and worry to scam GSW.....Sorry...it ain't gonna work.

[Twinkie defense]

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[Kuya]

Hes getting at least 10 per

[East Bay Sports]

who cares how much he gets? Ain't my money and he isn't leaving this team. If we have to move Lee or iggy to make room, great, do it. If ownership wants to keep both those guys and go into the lux tax to keep Draymond? Sweet. Works for me as well. But he isn't leaving, so I'm happy.

[Left*My*Heart]

The front office will pay Green whatever it takes to keep him. The bigger concerns are what to do with Lee, Dre and Barnes. Bogut is a major issue as well and I would prefer moving him this off season if possible.