#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

mrknowitall215 · Post #1581 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:42 pm

Biyombo is having a excellent year under the radar, capitalizing on the progress he made last season into this season, averaging 10 points, 14 rebounds, and 3 blocks per 36 minutes with a PER of 18

Elden Payton · Post #1582 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:05 am

I'm pretty sure our FO would be happy with Biz's output this season.

They guy is a serviceable player in this league and still has a mountain of upside, I'm not sure what else Biz is meant to be doing right now?

LamarMatic7 · Post #1583 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:18 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:Biyombo is having a excellent year under the radar, capitalizing on the progress he made last season into this season, averaging 10 points, 14 rebounds, and 3 blocks per 36 minutes with a PER of 18

yeah, I also touched on it in my last blog post.

seems like his hustle has reached such a high efficiency level. he's getting putback dunks every other time he grabs an offensive rebound.

Braggins · Post #1584 » by **Braggins** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:05 am

He seems like one of the better players in the league at tipping balls back out for offensive rebounds too. He looks so much more comfortable on offense as well.

Eoghan · Post #1585 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:37 pm

I wish we had kept him as the starter. Probably would have been worse last year (though I'm not so sure) but that would have gotten us a better draft pick and friendlier cap. Had we done so, I'm confident that Charlotte would be cruising for a playoff spot much more comfortably than currently.

thruthefire · Post #1586 » by **thruthefire** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:47 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Biyombo is having a excellent year under the radar, capitalizing on the progress he made last season into this season, averaging 10 points, 14 rebounds, and 3 blocks per 36 minutes with a PER of 18

He has a higher OREB% than Drummond, who is first on BBRef based on the minimums. Actually, Biz has a higher OREB% than Al, Cody and Marv combined, which probably explains we why are 26th in the league at offensive rebounding.

As soon as he gets away from Clifford, he'll breakout.

They_Them_Hatin · Post #1587 » by **They_Them_Hatin** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:03 pm

thruthefire wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Biyombo is having a excellent year under the radar, capitalizing on the progress he made last season into this season, averaging 10 points, 14 rebounds, and 3 blocks per 36 minutes with a PER of 18

He has a higher OREB% than Drummond, who is first on BBRef based on the minimums. Actually, Biz has a higher OREB% than Al, Cody and Marv combined, which probably explains we why are 26th in the league at offensive rebounding.

As soon as he gets away from Clifford, he'll breakout.

This ! I hope he goes to better situation. He would be perfect and a rising star in Clevelend or Boston or any other team that a defensive center.

Post #1588 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:07 pm

BrotherDave wrote:I wish we had kept him as the starter. Probably would have been worse last year (though I'm not so sure) but that would have gotten us a better draft pick and friendlier cap. Had we done so, I'm confident that Charlotte would be cruising for a playoff spot much more comfortably than currently.

Well there are only three top 10 picks from the 2014 draft that are getting any PT at all and none would probably materially impact our win total, so I don't think the argument that a better draft pick would have helped us at this point has any support. As far as the friendler cap argument, in case you forgot Al is by far the most significant free agent signing this franchise has ever had. Charlotte does not have the luxury of being able to match bids by other teams to land top tier free agents. We have to either overpay or hop on second tier candidates like Al or Lance. Cap flexibility doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot for a loser franchise that has never successfully wooed a free agent of any significance.

Eoghan · Post #1589 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:24 am

yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I wish we had kept him as the starter. Probably would have been worse last year (though I'm not so sure) but that would have gotten us a better draft pick and friendlier cap. Had we done so, I'm confident that Charlotte would be cruising for a playoff spot much more comfortably than currently.

Well there are only three top 10 picks from the 2014 draft that are getting any PT at all and none would probably materially impact our win total, so I don't think the argument that a better draft pick would have helped us at this point has any support. As far as the friendler cap argument, in case you forgot Al is by far the most significant free agent signing this franchise has ever had. Charlotte does not have the luxury of being able to match bids by other teams to land top tier free agents. We have to either overpay or hop on second tier candidates like Al or Lance. Cap flexibility doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot for a loser franchise that has never successfully wooed a free agent of any significance.

So high draft picks do us no good and the best FAs we can attract are Al and Lance, got it. Want to root for the Warriors with me?

Post #1590 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:39 am

Is there a particular part of that argument that you disagree with?

Eoghan · Post #1591 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:08 am

yosemiteben wrote:Is there a particular part of that argument that you disagree with?

The premise that those draft picks couldn't have ended up in better situations and that we wouldn't be better via addition by subtraction, that all those practices spent fruitlessly learning Al-fense wouldn't have been better utilized and several other factors you wrote off.

Post #1592 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:26 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Is there a particular part of that argument that you disagree with?

The premise that those draft picks couldn't have ended up in better situations and that we wouldn't be better via addition by subtraction, that all those practices spent fruitlessly learning Al-fense wouldn't have been better utilized and several other factors you wrote off.

I don't think the reason Marcus Smart or Exum are averaging 5 ppg on poor percentages is because they are in bad situations.

As far as the other stuff unrelated to cap space and picks, I think we've been down that road before so I'll leave it alone.

Eoghan · Post #1593 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:33 am

yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Is there a particular part of that argument that you disagree with?

The premise that those draft picks couldn't have ended up in better situations and that we wouldn't be better via addition by subtraction, that all those practices spent fruitlessly learning Al-fense wouldn't have been better utilized and several other factors you wrote off.

I don't think the reason Marcus Smart or Exum are averaging 5 ppg on poor percentages is because they are in bad situations.

As far as the other stuff unrelated to cap space and picks, I think we've been down that road before so I'll leave it alone.

Do you have better ideas for how Charlotte should build a winning team?

MasterIchiro · Post #1594 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:37 am

I remember BrotherDave saying Steve Adams was a steal of a pick and that if we were going to select a player like Zeller why not Mason Plumlee? Currently both those picks, much later than Cody, are virtually untouchable.

BrotherDave has always liked Biz as well.

See BrotherDave, I listen and remember things people say, good and bad.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1595 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:53 am

Adams is alright. Mason is the real steal of that draft. Kid has been amazing lately.

Eoghan · Post #1596 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:55 am

MasterIchiro wrote:I remember BrotherDave saying Steve Adams was a steal of a pick and that if we were going to select a player like Zeller why not Mason Plumlee? Currently both those picks, much later than Cody, are virtually untouchable.

BrotherDave has always liked Biz as well.

See BrotherDave, I listen and remember things people say, good and bad.

The hindsight game is not kind to Charlotte's draft history, that is certainly true. I still like Biz but I think Charlotte reached on him, if only because at the time of them drafting him their coaching staff was terrible at developing players and Bismack's first two years of development were slogged down with a revolving door of coaches and dumb roster management. If Biz was drafted by the Spurs in the mid to late 1st round where he belonged to be taken, we'd probably be talking about him in the same breath as the best up and coming centers in the NBA by now instead of nervously fretting over whether he'll realize his potential and whether Charlotte is the place where he's able to.

Post #1597 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:41 am

BrotherDave wrote:Do you have better ideas for how Charlotte should build a winning team?

In light of the franchise's history, back to back playoff appearances is a great place to start. I think we have just as much potential this year as last year to turn it around so I'm not convinced we've been fundamentally wrong in our approach so far. Once we have some sustained success in the form of multiple playoff appearances, then I think we will have more credibility with free agents and it opens up more options for moves down the road. I fundamentally disagree that another year of tanking would have been healthy for this franchise.

Eoghan · Post #1598 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:07 am

yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Do you have better ideas for how Charlotte should build a winning team?

In light of the franchise's history, back to back playoff appearances is a great place to start. I think we have just as much potential this year as last year to turn it around so I'm not convinced we've been fundamentally wrong in our approach so far. Once we have some sustained success in the form of multiple playoff appearances, then I think we will have more credibility with free agents and it opens up more options for moves down the road. I fundamentally disagree that another year of tanking would have been healthy for this franchise.

I'm a bit dubious that back-to-back playoff appearances will make much of a difference. Before the Hornets left, the team had made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years, getting past the 1st round three times. Fan support for that team fell apart quickly b/c the writing was on the wall that they had a good but not great team. Sure, Shinn pissed off a lot of people but there were a lot of diehard basketball fans that would have kept coming if the team looked like it had any semblance of contending for a championship.

I don't think eking into the playoffs (and probably getting destroyed again) is gonna be the jolt to this franchise that you imagine.

What happens if we don't make the playoffs? Is the approach wrong in your evaluation then or do they get another year?

Post #1599 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:32 am

BrotherDave wrote:I'm a bit dubious that back-to-back playoff appearances will make much of a difference. Before the Hornets left, the team had made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years, getting past the 1st round three times. Fan support for that team fell apart quickly b/c the writing was on the wall that they had a good but not great team. Sure, Shinn pissed off a lot of people but there were a lot of diehard basketball fans that would have kept coming if the team looked like it had any semblance of contending for a championship.

I don't think eking into the playoffs (and probably getting destroyed again) is gonna be the jolt to this franchise that you imagine.

What happens if we don't make the playoffs? Is the approach wrong in your evaluation then or do they get another year?

Totally disagree that Shinn was not the reason that Hornets support fell off or that it was primarily due to post season success, but that's not really important because (a) we aren't looking at a team that has had consistent playoff success to get bored with and (b) you raise some good questions.

If we get a healthy Al and can't make the playoffs this year then I think I can safely say that I would believe signing him was a mistake. I just don't think the team we saw the second half of last season was a mirage because no one else wanted to win, so I'm convinced that this team can turn it around if everyone can get healthy.

I do think multiple playoff appearances would go a long way towards legitimizing what we have going on in our franchise. We were the laughing stock of the league for multiple years. I think if we didn't sign Al when we did, then this summer we still would have had to overpay to bring a potentially overrated top scoring option in because no one on our roster could play that role even if we got another top 10 pick last season. I think Al can net us consecutive playoff appearances while showing FAs that we have a solid coach and a place where you can win, and I think that goes a long way with potential FAs, especially for a franchise that has to deal with FAs that want to go elsewhere for less money just so they can win more.

Post #1600 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:51 am

BrotherDave wrote:If Biz was drafted by the Spurs in the mid to late 1st round where he belonged to be taken, we'd probably be talking about him in the same breath as the best up and coming centers in the NBA by now instead of nervously fretting over whether he'll realize his potential and whether Charlotte is the place where he's able to.

But the likely hood of Biz being drafted by someone like the Spurs is pretty remote - which says a lot.