Rajon Rondo Traded To The Mavericks.

[jmr07019]

No, it wasn't. This 2012-2013 hub-bub is the most overstated argument held against Rondo. I don't even understand why people have to explain it to this day. That team was streaky as all hell.

Lost 4 - with Rondo
Won 6 - with Rondo
Lost 6 - with Rondo
Won 6 - without Rondo

Two weeks later

Won 5 - without Rondo

10 days later

Lost 5 - without Rondo

We were not better without Rondo in 2012-2013, though, Pierce stepping up his game was pretty freakin' awesome. I just want people to stop bringing this point up to go against Rondo. It ignores so many of the other real reasons as to why the Celtics were streaky that year.

I agree with you, but people have already made up their minds and aren't here for an honest discussion. As you can see by Ex's troll like posting frequency, they're only here to take cheap shots at a former Celtic player they claimed to have rooted for.

Baloney. Troll-like my butt. I posted documented/indisputable facts.

Do not twist what I wrote about that remarkable 16-5 stretch immediately after Rondo went down into anything else.

And I have acknowledged multiple times that Rondo's ball handling was missed in the POs when on-the-ball defensive intensity jacked up.

You don't post here all season and then come here to talk crap about Rondo. That's trolling.

[sam_I_am]

From my vantage point, it is unfortunate to see some Celtics fans give players like KG, Pierce and even RA less credit than they deserve and that is what inevitably happens when Rondo or any other player get too much credit. Most of Rondo's critics like me are saying he was a very good player at his best but just not great. No crime in being a very good starting NBA player at any position.

I often said Rondo was overrated, but during his 4 best years with the Celtics (2008-9 until 2011-12) he was (on average) a very good starting PG who more often than not fit in well with those teams. Yes Rondo had some excellent playoff series where he exceeded "very good", but some other series where he wasn't very good at all.

I have all 3 members of the Big 3 as more valuable basketball players from 2008-9 until 2010-11. By 2011-12 Rondo had surpassed Ray Allen, batting injuries and obviously age, and post season Pierce. I don't think regular season Rondo with the Celtics ever surpassed regular season PP. Just looking at the numbers is unfair to RA/PP at times since there is a difference between being guarded by prime Lebron James or being doubled VS being left open. And just looking at the numbers is always unfair to KG since he gets no stats for his stellar rim protection during that time period other than the occasional block.

Maybe Pierce looked uninspired/frustrated from his facial expressions at times but he played inspired from 2003 to 2007. His combined aggregate offensive/defensive RAPM data was better than Kobe Bryant for something like around a 10 year regular season stretch that includes 2003-2007 and I do not think PP was capable of doing that without impressive consistent regular season effort.

I completely agree that Dirk is not a first team NBA player anymore, but Dallas before the Rondo trade was winning more than last year and it wasn't just about Dirk.

I also disagree with some of what my friend Sam wrote above.

And I mostly agree with what my friend Soxfan wrote in response to Sam.

Rondo, all things considered, definitely was a "very good" PG between 2008-09 & 2011-12 - who definitely excelled during several PO series. Period. He certainly deserves credit & my appreciation, BUT he has been overhyped & overrated.

Beyond Paul's brilliant 2007-08 RS & MVP PO run in the spring of 2008, all things considered, Paul was a much more valuable Celtic than Rondo during the 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, & 2011-12 seasons. During the 2012 PO run, after a truly vintage first round VS Atlanta, Paul played the remainder of the POs on one leg. Otherwise, we would indeed have beaten the Heat in the ECF - given how well Rondo played in that particular series.

Sam, take a look at the Celtics record in 2/2013 & 3/2013 AFTER Rondo went down & BEFORE KG got hurt again in late 3/2013. Paul freaking Pierce played point forward & put up numbers ONLY surpassed by freaking LeBron leading the Celtics to a DRAMATIC turnaround SANS Rondo. (Absent LeBron, Paul would have been POTM for BOTH months.). Then yes, Paul pooped out because of injury, exhaustion & intense PO D on a NON-point guard, & the Celtics collapsed. And PO Rondo was indeed missed. But that Celtic team in Feb-March led by an All Pro Paul Pierce sans Rondo was OUTSTANDING.

Ex, you should look at the Celtics anemic play in 2013 playoffs, the 2014 Nets anemic play with arguably much mor talent around Paul and KG than Rondo provided (especially as you portray him) and the 2009 Celtics who started Perk and Baby with Scal as first big off bench. Maybe it was really the big one and that guy was Ray Allen. Because otherwise you have to be blind to see how important Rondo was pre-ACL.

And if Rondo really made the team worse in 2013 - then Dallas with old Dirk, Monta and Parsons is less talented than that 2013 Celtics with a younger than Dirk Paul and KG, Green, Terry, Lee, Bass, Avery and no Rondo and they play in a much tougher division. So we'll just have to see.

[sam_I_am]

Sam, take a look at the Celtics record in 2/2013 & 3/2013 AFTER Rondo went down & BEFORE KG got hurt again in late 3/2013. Paul freaking Pierce played point forward & put up numbers ONLY surpassed by freaking LeBron leading the Celtics to a DRAMATIC turnaround SANS Rondo. (Absent LeBron, Paul would have been POTM for BOTH months.). Then yes, Paul pooped out because of injury, exhaustion & intense PO D on a NON-point guard, & the Celtics collapsed. And PO Rondo was indeed missed. But that Celtic team in Feb-March led by an All Pro Paul Pierce sans Rondo was OUTSTANDING.

No, it wasn't. This 2012-2013 hub-bub is the most overstated argument held against Rondo. I don't even understand why people have to explain it to this day. That team was streaky as all hell.

Lost 4 - with Rondo
Won 6 - with Rondo
Lost 6 - with Rondo
Won 6 - without Rondo

Two weeks later

Won 5 - without Rondo

10 days later

Lost 5 - without Rondo

We were not better without Rondo in 2012-2013, though, Pierce stepping up his game was pretty freakin' awesome. I just want people to stop bringing this point up to go against Rondo. It ignores so many of the other real reasons as to why the Celtics were streaky that year.

Ex and Guy were big enough fans from 2010-2013 to know the MO of KG and PP at that time. They saved their bodies for playoffs and treated Dec and Jan like preseason to get ready. That more than anything contributed to poor record in 2013 with Rondo. They know this but it is convenient for their opinion to ignore it - not that it matters as the basis of their argument doesn't depend on it.

[exculpatory]

I agree with you, but people have already made up their minds and aren't here for an honest discussion. As you can see by Ex's troll like posting frequency, they're only here to take cheap shots at a former Celtic player they claimed to have rooted for.

Baloney. Troll-like my butt. I posted documented/indisputable facts.

Do not twist what I wrote about that remarkable 16-5 stretch immediately after Rondo went down into anything else.

And I have acknowledged multiple times that Rondo's ball handling was missed in the POs when on-the-ball defensive intensity jacked up.

You don't post here all season and then come here to talk crap about Rondo. That's trolling.

I am posting the freaking truth about Rondo - on the one hand acknowledging his strengths & on the other hand stating his glaring offensive liabilities.

I apologize for a few minor comments that I made which could be considered gratuitous potshots.

I am focused on Paul for the time being. I am watching the rebuild. Pretty disappointing so far. I will post here again more often when they do something that gets my attention.

[exculpatory]

From my vantage point, it is unfortunate to see some Celtics fans give players like KG, Pierce and even RA less credit than they deserve and that is what inevitably happens when Rondo or any other player get too much credit. Most of Rondo's critics like me are saying he was a very good player at his best but just not great. No crime in being a very good starting NBA player at any position.

I often said Rondo was overrated, but during his 4 best years with the Celtics (2008-9 until 2011-12) he was (on average) a very good starting PG who more often than not fit in well with those teams. Yes Rondo had some excellent playoff series where he exceeded "very good", but some other series where he wasn't very good at all.

I have all 3 members of the Big 3 as more valuable basketball players from 2008-9 until 2010-11. By 2011-12 Rondo had surpassed Ray Allen, batting injuries and obviously age, and post season Pierce. I don't think regular season Rondo with the Celtics ever surpassed regular season PP. Just looking at the numbers is unfair to RA/PP at times since there is a difference between being guarded by prime Lebron James or being doubled VS being left open. And just looking at the numbers is always unfair to KG since he gets no stats for his stellar rim protection during that time period other than the occasional block.

Maybe Pierce looked uninspired/frustrated from his facial expressions at times but he played inspired from 2003 to 2007. His combined aggregate offensive/defensive RAPM data was better than Kobe Bryant for something like around a 10 year regular season stretch that includes 2003-2007 and I do not think PP was capable of doing that without impressive consistent regular season effort.

I completely agree that Dirk is not a first team NBA player anymore, but Dallas before the Rondo trade was winning more than last year and it wasn't just about Dirk.

I also disagree with some of what my friend Sam wrote above.

And I mostly agree with what my friend Soxfan wrote in response to Sam.

Rondo, all things considered, definitely was a "very good" PG between 2008-09 & 2011-12 - who definitely excelled during several PO series. Period. He certainly deserves credit & my appreciation, BUT he has been overhyped & overrated.

Beyond Paul's brilliant 2007-08 RS & MVP PO run in the spring of 2008, all things considered, Paul was a much more valuable Celtic than Rondo during the 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, & 2011-12 seasons. During the 2012 PO run, after a truly vintage first round VS Atlanta, Paul played the remainder of the POs on one leg. Otherwise, we would indeed have beaten the Heat in the ECF - given how well Rondo played in that particular series.

Sam, take a look at the Celtics record in 2/2013 & 3/2013 AFTER Rondo went down & BEFORE KG got hurt again in late 3/2013. Paul freaking Pierce played point forward & put up numbers ONLY surpassed by freaking LeBron leading the Celtics to a DRAMATIC turnaround SANS Rondo. (Absent LeBron, Paul would have been POTM for BOTH months.). Then yes, Paul pooped out because of injury, exhaustion & intense PO D on a NON-point guard, & the Celtics collapsed. And PO Rondo was indeed missed. But that Celtic team in Feb-March led by an All Pro Paul Pierce sans Rondo was OUTSTANDING.

1. Ex, you should look at the Celtics anemic play in 2013 playoffs, the 2014 Nets anemic play with arguably much more talent around Paul and KG than Rondo provided (especially as you portray him) and the 2009 Celtics who started Perk and Baby with Scal as first big off bench. Maybe it was really the big one and that guy was Ray Allen. Because otherwise you have to be blind not to see how important Rondo was pre-ACL.

2. And if Rondo really made the team worse in 2013 - then Dallas with old Dirk, Monta and Parsons is less talented than the 2013 Celtics with a younger than Dirk Paul and KG, Green, Terry, Lee, Bass, Avery and no Rondo and they play in a much tougher division. So we'll just have to see.

Sam:

1. I already addressed the 2013 POs in umpteen posts above. Paul was brilliant for that 16-5 stretch & then pooped out in the POs for the multiple reasons I stated above several times. Rondo's ball handling was definitely missed. Paul (even at age 36) & JJ turned the Nets around DRAMATICALLY after 1/1/2014. Too bad, DWill declined so badly. Otherwise, that team had a chance to beat the Heat. I have NEVER stated that Rondo did not play a very important role between 08-09 & 11-12.

2. I actually think Rondo will help the Mavs. As I have posted multiple times, he now has the opportunity to once again play to his strengths surrounded by shooters/scorers who can compensate for his offensive liabilities. At the end of the day, the Mavs' fate mostly hinges on how much "old Dirk" has left. The window is closing in Dallas.

[Captain_Caveman]

Baloney. Troll-like my butt. I posted documented/indisputable facts.

Do not twist what I wrote about that remarkable 16-5 stretch immediately after Rondo went down into anything else.

And I have acknowledged multiple times that Rondo's ball handling was missed in the POs when on-the-ball defensive intensity jacked up.

You don't post here all season and then come here to talk crap about Rondo. That's trolling.

I am posting the freaking truth about Rondo - on the one hand acknowledging his strengths & on the other hand stating his glaring offensive liabilities.

I apologize for a few minor comments that I made which could be considered gratuitous potshots.

I am focused on Paul for the time being. I am watching the rebuild from the sidelines. Pretty disappointing so far. I will post here again more often when they do something that gets my attention.

All of this sucks so much, ex.

[exculpatory]

You don't post here all season and then come here to talk crap about Rondo. That's trolling.

I am posting the freaking truth about Rondo - on the one hand acknowledging his strengths & on the other hand stating his glaring offensive liabilities.

I apologize for a few minor comments that I made which could be considered gratuitous potshots.

I am focused on Paul for the time being. I am watching the rebuild from the sidelines. Pretty disappointing so far. I will post here again more often when they do something that gets my attention.

All of this sucks so much, ex.

Tough.

[Captain_Caveman]

I am posting the freaking truth about Rondo - on the one hand acknowledging his strengths & on the other hand stating his glaring offensive liabilities.

I apologize for a few minor comments that I made which could be considered gratuitous potshots.

I am focused on Paul for the time being. I am watching the rebuild from the sidelines. Pretty disappointing so far. I will post here again more often when they do something that gets my attention.

All of this sucks so much, ex.

Tough.

Please don't develop a homoerotic crush on a new Celtics binky once we rebuild.

P.S. I love Pierce, but he has a pube beard.

[exculpatory]

All of this sucks so much, ex.

Tough.

Please don't develop a homoerotic crush on a new Celtics pinky once we rebuild.

P.S. I love Pierce, but he has a pube beard.

Get lost.

[FeedReed]

vintage exculpatory

[SMTBSI]

The return so far:

Dallas 1st 2016 (probably)
Dallas/Memphis 2nd 2016 (more favorable of)
Minny 2nd 2016
Minny 2nd 2017
Jae Crowder
12.91mil TPE
5.0mil TPE

[31to6]

Rondo 1-for-11 in a L tonight.
He's 7-for-37 (19%) in the 4 games since going 12-for-19 in his return to Boston.
Rondo gonna Rondo.

[rickrolled]

So we got Jae Crowder (looks like a heist)
Dallas first round protected pick
Minnys conditional pick
13 million TE
5 million TE

Ainge is definitely bringing someone in with the Rondo TPE..