Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[F3LON]

NI said its a done deal as far as principals. Brook for Lance

[Paradise]

Woj:

Brooklyn has tried to find teams willing to move the expiring contract of Kendrick Perkins for an established player, sources said


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--n ... 58449.html

[F3LON]

Im OK with Perkins. Not everthing in basketball is measured with stats. There is value in a player who isnt afraid to use a hard foul to se a message. Besides we needed a strong Center.

Plumlee - Jordan - Perkins
Garnett - Mirza - Jefferson
Johnson - Bogs
Stephenson - Karasev - Anderson
DWill - Morris - M Brown

I have a feeling we are getting a PG though

[enetric]

I have no problem with anyone who is down on Brook Lopez. But I'm just going to say it. This trade is little more than a salary dump.

It's not just that Lance Stephenson is a bad guy its that Lance Stephenson is not a good basketball player!

This guy was in an ideal situation last year. Played well in the role that was asked of him. I can't believe how many people are talking about what they think he is from Indiana rather than noticing what he was in half a season in Charlotte where they want to give him away at all costs.

I just want to know for all those of you excited about this guy what is your over/under amount of games before you treat him like the next Travis Outlaw?

It's amazing to me how many of you are content to covet other people's trash on the tantalizing possibility for what they could be but so easy to dismiss any up side of your own players when they don't live up to your expectations. The shiny unwrapped presents under the tree are always so exciting until you open them up and they turn out to be a crappy pair of socks.

Lance is a good player with a ton of talent.

His skillset just doesn't seem to fit in Charlotte's roster construction and instead of dealing with it professionally, he chooses to be immature about it.

I think we all just look at it as another safe gamble like Blatche was. Same reputation across the league but he manged to mature and stay in line for the most part.

Using that logic you are willing to extend to Lance ...Brook Lopez is vastly more talented and more valuable player as a young center who has been an all star in this league.

You and others are sick of him so it's easy to dismiss him while convincing yourself that this other guy is oh so worth it when not one other gm in the NBA says oh yeah give me some of this idiot. It absolutely is a fools gold/ grass is greener situation.

And should Lopez turn it around elsewhere and Lance is more of the same garbage here as he is in Charlotte will you say man...that was a short sighted trade by us? Nope!

You will resent Lopez for it!!!

And the Blatche comparison? That wasn't giving up on a young center with more talent and adding a different type of problem for 9mil that was adding a 13th man free agent for .875k. And if I recall correctly you hated the move and lobbied that Lou Admunson was the vastly better option for us.

Look hope I am wrong but I am usually right about these things. I see this clown as a guy who found a nice spot to be effective last season. I expect this to be merely a salary dump if it goes down and a downgrade in talent for us.

Not that it matters. Lopez has no chance to turn it around with Hollins here and this team is going no where. If I had my choice of options I would rather have gotten picks a while ago for Brook over a guy like Stephenson today.


I am just amused that blind anger has blocked so many of you from seeing what this most likely is. More salary dumping and another bad trade on the talent side for King. Don't get me wrong, ownership has the right to cut its losses on a team that has failed so poorly. I am just disappointed to see so many of you drinking the Kool-aid on Lance freakin' Stephenson!!!!

[enetric]

If Lance gets traded to this team he's probably still going to be meh...I just hope Brook goes to OKC so I can root for a good team to win the chip.

Agreed. The disdain some Nets "fans" have for Brook is annoying. You'd think he was the biggest bust in the history of the team when he's been our best draft pick in 15 years.

I agree with you guys. Look it's understandable that people are frustrated with injuries and the rebounding and perceived lack of hustle. But the reactions by so many have been disproportionate to the reality.

And honestly Lionel Hollins hasn't helped the situation.

[enetric]

If Denver is interested then I'd prefer Afflalo over Lance.

Afflalo is a league average player.

Lance has top 20 player talent.

Dont confuse risk with talent. We could easily find a player like Afflalo. Finding a player who at his best could be the top defender at his position and only 24 is worth the risk.

I don't think he has top 50 talent in this league. I doubt top 75.

[JoseRizal]

Can't we at least get a 1st rd pick or Lamb/PJ III?

I think it's weird that OKC is getting the best player in the trade by just giving out Lamb & Perk... A healthy Lopez would complement Ibaka and would push OKC further in the playoffs...

[enetric]

I have no problem with anyone who is down on Brook Lopez. But I'm just going to say it. This trade is little more than a salary dump.

It's not just that Lance Stephenson is a bad guy its that Lance Stephenson is not a good basketball player!

This guy was in an ideal situation last year. Played well in the role that was asked of him. I can't believe how many people are talking about what they think he is from Indiana rather than noticing what he was in half a season in Charlotte where they want to give him away at all costs.

I just want to know for all those of you excited about this guy what is your over/under amount of games before you treat him like the next Travis Outlaw?

It's amazing to me how many of you are content to covet other people's trash on the tantalizing possibility for what they could be but so easy to dismiss any up side of your own players when they don't live up to your expectations. The shiny unwrapped presents under the tree are always so exciting until you open them up and they turn out to be a crappy pair of socks.

You do realize that Lance is only 24 years old. Some players dont mature until their mid 20's. Bringing up his Charlotte numbers is foolish. He never fit in there. There team lacks veteran leadership like he had in Indy. He was a poor fit next to Walker and Henderson also. Who was spacing the floor on the Hornets in that lineup exactly?

Fortunately for us, Lance fits well between JJ and DWill. Both DWIll and JJ are good spot up shooters and could use Lance's dribble drives to get them uncontested looks. Lance is also very good in PnR which is what Plumlee does best.

I understand that Lance has his flaws. His game is similar in a lot of ways to Jack in that he dribbles a lot and is prone to turning the ball over. They both lack a quick first step but get by with excellent change of speed/hesitation moves. The big difference is that Lance is 6'6' 235lbs. He is able to take it all the way to the rim and finish through contact.

IMO he could be a 15 PT / 7 Reb / 5-6 Ast on this team.

And you said his age and size along with his "could be's" dismissing all his flaws without considering that you are giving up on a 26 year old 7' 275 lb. Center that missed games aside had averaged 20 points and around 2 blocks a game for what 5 straight seasons prior to this one? And actually has been an all star already.

If neither guy played for us without question Lopez would be the far more exciting problem case to take on.

Why we would care to shape our team around a specific coach in the NBA is beyond me. They have a shelf life of 3 years.

In a talent argument Lopez wins this one hands down. Not to mention the value of an offensive center compared to a role playing wing who can't shoot.

[spearsy23]

Can't we at least get a 1st rd pick or Lamb/PJ III?

I think it's weird that OKC is getting the best player in the trade by just giving out Lamb & Perk... A healthy Lopez would complement Ibaka and would push OKC further in the playoffs...

A perennially healthy Lopez wouldn't be on the block though. As an OKC fan I'm hoping we end up with Brook, but it's a major gamble for both teams. I'm a little curios about the direction you guys are going, the front office must actually value Lance or else a straight Lopez for Lamb/Perkins would shed salary with only slightly less potential at the sg position.

[spearsy23]

Woj:

Brooklyn has tried to find teams willing to move the expiring contract of Kendrick Perkins for an established player, sources said


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--n ... 58449.html

Good luck, we've been looking since the end of last season. Hope this doesn't kill the deal

[JoseRizal]

Can't we at least get a 1st rd pick or Lamb/PJ III?

I think it's weird that OKC is getting the best player in the trade by just giving out Lamb & Perk... A healthy Lopez would complement Ibaka and would push OKC further in the playoffs...

A perennially healthy Lopez wouldn't be on the block though. As an OKC fan I'm hoping we end up with Brook, but it's a major gamble for both teams. I'm a little curios about the direction you guys are going, the front office must actually value Lance or else a straight Lopez for Lamb/Perkins would shed salary with only slightly less potential at the sg position.

His health is the only thing that should worry you. Ibaka will mask his defensive deficiencies and his offense is something you currently don't enjoy with your front court.

The FO has a hard-on on Lance, so I'm guessing they value him higher than PJIII/Lamb or else Charlotte wouldn't be in the picture...

[NBAfan3024]

NI said its a done deal as far as principals. Brook for Lance

who said it's a done deal?

[Paradise]

Using that logic you are willing to extend to Lance ...Brook Lopez is vastly more talented and more valuable player as a young center who has been an all star in this league.

Who said anything about extending him? Lopez is not that good anymore and nobody believes in his durability or his production to contract ratio. We wouldn't be resorted to these silly offers if he had some actual value or if he didn't concede his starting spot to Plumlee and played with a chip on his shoulder.

You and others are sick of him so it's easy to dismiss him while convincing yourself that this other guy is oh so worth it when not one other gm in the NBA says oh yeah give me some of this idiot. It absolutely is a fools gold/ grass is greener situation.

Really? I seem to remember the Pacers, Clippers, Heat and Nuggets registering interest in Stephenson. Nobody has said the grass is going to be greener. We need a change and nobody is offering anything substantial. Stephenson is a risk but It's no different to a gamble on keeping Lopez for another season including this one with a fragile foot and diminishing production.

And should Lopez turn it around elsewhere and Lance is more of the same garbage here as he is in Charlotte will you say man...that was a short sighted trade by us? Nope!

You will resent Lopez for it!!!

Until he possibly breaks a foot or ankle and we're stuck with a big man with no value making 16 million over the next two seasons and everyone will be screaming "why didn't we trade him?" You can look at it both ways. I'd rather move him now than take that risk later. We are already dealing with two dead weight contracts.

And the Blatche comparison? That wasn't giving up on a young center with more talent and adding a different type of problem for 9mil that was adding a 13th man free agent for .875k. And if I recall correctly you hated the move and lobbied that Lou Admunson was the vastly better option for us.

I was in favor of getting Blatche.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1260251&start=40

The Nets’ ongoing search for frontcourt depth has led them to Houston, and a meeting with Andray Blatche, who was cut this summer by the Washington Wizards.

Blatche, 26, has been working out in Houston with a number of other N.B.A. players, under the guidance of John Lucas. He was set to meet with Nets Coach Avery Johnson sometime this weekend, according to two people with knowledge of the meeting. It was not clear whether the Nets were prepared to make Blatche an immediate offer or were simply exploring their options.

The Wizards severed ties with Blatche in July, using the N.B.A.’s amnesty provision to remove his $23 million contract from the salary cap. Blatche will still be paid his full salary by the Wizards, so he is likely to sign for the minimum wherever he lands.

Blatche, a 6-foot-11 power forward, entered the N.B.A. straight from high school in 2005 and was drafted by Washington with the 49th pick. His athletic gifts have been offset by immaturity, erratic play and a suspect work ethic. Washington cited Blatche’s poor conditioning as the official reason for holding him out of a game against the Nets in March.

Blatche played in only 26 of the Wizards’ 66 games last season, averaging 8.5 points and 5.8 rebounds while shooting a career-low 38 percent from the field.

The Nets have 13 players under contract, but they could use another big body behind center Brook Lopez and power forward Kris Humphries.

Seems like the interest is serious for Avery to personally meet with him. I'm all for this signing if it happens because he has really good potential and I really don't see maturity or work ethic being a problem considering Nick Young and McGee were just as bad as him and they both turned out to be difference makers for the Clips and Nuggets in limited roles.

Not that it matters. Lopez has no chance to turn it around with Hollins here and this team is going no where. If I had my choice of options I would rather have gotten picks a while ago for Brook over a guy like Stephenson today.

The window for us to get some sort of unprotected draft picks back for him closed after his all-star season. His value went downhill from there.

[spearsy23]

If we only get back Lance and Perkins I will be very disappointed.

OKC knows it needs to make a move to take that next step. Hold out for REggie!!! Send them a Euro to sweeten.

I don't think there's any way Reggie would be included.

[MrDollarBills]

Woj says the Lakers are interested. Hey LA, I wouldn't mind a Randle - Brook swap.

If not then please no. Brook needs to go to a good team. Dude doesn't deserve the sh*tshow that is the lakers.

Lopez doesnt deserve anything... he gt a max contract, was injured for most of it, and played like an uninterested pussy the enitre time.

i hope they trade him to siberia

I'll miss reading Prok toss Brook under the bus at any given chance. F'n hilarious man lol

[MrDollarBills]

I have no problem with anyone who is down on Brook Lopez. But I'm just going to say it. This trade is little more than a salary dump.

It's not just that Lance Stephenson is a bad guy its that Lance Stephenson is not a good basketball player!

This guy was in an ideal situation last year. Played well in the role that was asked of him. I can't believe how many people are talking about what they think he is from Indiana rather than noticing what he was in half a season in Charlotte where they want to give him away at all costs.

I just want to know for all those of you excited about this guy what is your over/under amount of games before you treat him like the next Travis Outlaw?

It's amazing to me how many of you are content to covet other people's trash on the tantalizing possibility for what they could be but so easy to dismiss any up side of your own players when they don't live up to your expectations. The shiny unwrapped presents under the tree are always so exciting until you open them up and they turn out to be a crappy pair of socks.

I'm more wary of Lance's personality causing a goddamn calamity in the locker room than I am his basketball skills. That guy can flat out ball, whether or not he becomes the killing blow of the King era remains to be seen because either way he will be off the books anyway.

He will play harder and with more intensity than damn near every other player on this roster outside of Mason. He also can defend the perimeter and break people down off of the dribble. He fills a need.

Whether or not he and Lionel will kill each other is another story for another time.

[MrDollarBills]

I have no problem with anyone who is down on Brook Lopez. But I'm just going to say it. This trade is little more than a salary dump.

It's not just that Lance Stephenson is a bad guy its that Lance Stephenson is not a good basketball player!

This guy was in an ideal situation last year. Played well in the role that was asked of him. I can't believe how many people are talking about what they think he is from Indiana rather than noticing what he was in half a season in Charlotte where they want to give him away at all costs.

I just want to know for all those of you excited about this guy what is your over/under amount of games before you treat him like the next Travis Outlaw?

It's amazing to me how many of you are content to covet other people's trash on the tantalizing possibility for what they could be but so easy to dismiss any up side of your own players when they don't live up to your expectations. The shiny unwrapped presents under the tree are always so exciting until you open them up and they turn out to be a crappy pair of socks.

Lance is a good player with a ton of talent.

His skillset just doesn't seem to fit in Charlotte's roster construction and instead of dealing with it professionally, he chooses to be immature about it.

I think we all just look at it as another safe gamble like Blatche was. Same reputation across the league but he manged to mature and stay in line for the most part.

Using that logic you are willing to extend to Lance ...Brook Lopez is vastly more talented and more valuable player as a young center who has been an all star in this league.

You and others are sick of him so it's easy to dismiss him while convincing yourself that this other guy is oh so worth it when not one other gm in the NBA says oh yeah give me some of this idiot. It absolutely is a fools gold/ grass is greener situation.

And should Lopez turn it around elsewhere and Lance is more of the same garbage here as he is in Charlotte will you say man...that was a short sighted trade by us? Nope!

You will resent Lopez for it!!!

And the Blatche comparison? That wasn't giving up on a young center with more talent and adding a different type of problem for 9mil that was adding a 13th man free agent for .875k. And if I recall correctly you hated the move and lobbied that Lou Admunson was the vastly better option for us.

Look hope I am wrong but I am usually right about these things. I see this clown as a guy who found a nice spot to be effective last season. I expect this to be merely a salary dump if it goes down and a downgrade in talent for us.

Not that it matters. Lopez has no chance to turn it around with Hollins here and this team is going no where. If I had my choice of options I would rather have gotten picks a while ago for Brook over a guy like Stephenson today.


I am just amused that blind anger has blocked so many of you from seeing what this most likely is. More salary dumping and another bad trade on the talent side for King. Don't get me wrong, ownership has the right to cut its losses on a team that has failed so poorly. I am just disappointed to see so many of you drinking the Kool-aid on Lance freakin' Stephenson!!!!

The Lopez ship has sailed. Plumlee has outplayed him and contributes more on both ends as a starter, and frankly Lopez's effort level and softness has contributed to the culture that has led the Nets to post apathetic and gutless performances for the last few years. I'll never forget how Joakim Noah ate Brook's lunch in Game 7 on our home floor.

Brook is skilled offensively, but the trade off isn't worth holding onto him anymore especially with his injury history. Of course it's a salary dump and the Nets are taking a short term risk, but this is a better trade in theory than the crap that has cost this team several assets over the next few years.

And also, the idea that Lance, a player that posted averages last year of 14pts 7rebs 5asts on nearly 50% FG is not in the top 50-75 talent wise is ridiculous. I am very concerned about this guy coming here and being an idiot, but to pretend that he isn't an upgrade on the perimeter from the bums we have here now is ridiculous. You have an agenda.

[kerry kittles]

I really hope we can squeeze something out of Charlotte, a young asset or a pick. Indy was demanding 2 1sts to take back Lance. No one wants him, I'm okay with the trade. It's a low risk move as I stated since we're hitting the reset button in 2016 and Brook wouldn't have been here past then. I do think we need to get more.
They're turning Lance into Jack and Lamb. That's great value for them.

[MrDollarBills]

Can't we at least get a 1st rd pick or Lamb/PJ III?

I think it's weird that OKC is getting the best player in the trade by just giving out Lamb & Perk... A healthy Lopez would complement Ibaka and would push OKC further in the playoffs...

A perennially healthy Lopez wouldn't be on the block though. As an OKC fan I'm hoping we end up with Brook, but it's a major gamble for both teams. I'm a little curios about the direction you guys are going, the front office must actually value Lance or else a straight Lopez for Lamb/Perkins would shed salary with only slightly less potential at the sg position.

Lopez is a black hole, he can't defend the pick and roll, and he is lazy as hell. He can and will score points though which is something you guys could use from a big I guess.

Good luck, I hope his foot stays in one piece. He's a nice guy but on the basketball court most of us are sick of his ****. When he has a 19 point outburst in the first half of a game and finishes with 23 points and 3 rebs you'll understand exactly why most of us want to boot him to the curb.

[MrDollarBills]

I really hope we can squeeze something out of Charlotte, a young asset or a pick. Indy was demanding 2 1sts to take back Lance. No one wants him, I'm okay with the trade. It's a low risk move as I stated since we're hitting the reset button in 2016 and Brook wouldn't have been here past then. I do think we need to get more.
They're turning Lance into Jack and Lamb. That's great value for them.

We need a PG

More than likely King is going to get **** ed in this deal in some shape or form. I am not even holding my breath.