Best futures of Bad Teams

[tiderulz]

2. Orl-Payton, Oli, Harris, Gordon, Nuc is a great first 5-expecpt for shooting. A bench of Fournier, Harnkess and their pick this year to replace Fyre long term would look good too. They just need to keep this group together and let them run

Payton looks legit, he needs to figure his shot out, however he has that pace about him. I think he's goign to be really good. Olidipo is nice piece but he's undersized and the SG position, idk how him and Payton compliment each other, but i'd think a shooter like stauskis be a better compliment.I don't think they'll pay harris, Gordon is a freak athletically but is a tweener with no outside game, and Nuc is a straight franchise player. If i am them, i'd build around Payton, Gordon, Nuc, with Olidipo coming off the bench. Surround that team with vets as well.

You realize that Victor is shooting 40% from 3 pt range, while also able to drive and plays good defense. Why would someone like Stauskis be a better compliment? He is shooting 27% from 3 and cant drive with the ball. We dont know what Gordon is yet or if he will have an outside game or not, though he is 4-8 from 3 pt range. Harris, Orlando more than likely matches. 22 yr old, 30% from 3, putting up 18/7 on efficient numbers, yeah, they match.

[mattao313]

I'm surprised no one really said anything about the Pistons.

One of the best young front courts in the league with Drummond and Monroe

Good amount of cap space next off season and decent pick (depends if we sneak in the playoffs)

KCP can still develop into a decent player imo like a Wes Matthews

Brandon Jennings looks like he has finally turned the corner and is becoming a good leader.

Probably have the best coach out of all the bad/rebuilding teams

[SmoothCriminal]

all i know is that as long as Billy King is running the Nets, they have no future

[Blkbrd671]

2. Orl-Payton, Oli, Harris, Gordon, Nuc is a great first 5-expecpt for shooting. A bench of Fournier, Harnkess and their pick this year to replace Fyre long term would look good too. They just need to keep this group together and let them run

Payton looks legit, he needs to figure his shot out, however he has that pace about him. I think he's goign to be really good. Olidipo is nice piece but he's undersized and the SG position, idk how him and Payton compliment each other, but i'd think a shooter like stauskis be a better compliment.I don't think they'll pay harris, Gordon is a freak athletically but is a tweener with no outside game, and Nuc is a straight franchise player. If i am them, i'd build around Payton, Gordon, Nuc, with Olidipo coming off the bench. Surround that team with vets as well.

You realize that Victor is shooting 40% from 3 pt range, while also able to drive and plays good defense. We dont know what Gordon is yet or if he will have an outside game or not, though he is 4-8 from 3 pt range. Harris, Orlando more than likely matches. 22 yr old, 30% from 3, putting up 18/7 on efficient numbers, yeah, they match.

You do realize he shot .327 % from the field last year?? while i do acknowledge shooters can improve and i am quite surprised at Dipo's %, i don't think anyone considers him a shooter>slasher. My concern with Dipo is he's much more effective with the ball in his hands and while 2 play makers next to each other is not necessarily a bad thing, its a problem with they don't compliment each other. Payton needs floor spacers next to him and harris and Dipo aren't good consistent 3 point shooters. As i said, i am not quite sure they compliment each other, just basing it off their strengths.

As far as Gordon, he needs to soley fixate on developing a 3 point shot, and please don't bring in this 4-8 BUllsh*, you know damn well he's not a 50% 3 point shooter. He has huge upside though, and any team can use a highly athletic guy that does the intangibles.

As far as Harris...........idk they do. harris for whatever reason is not a great 3 point shooter(despite that form doe), however he does make up for it in other areas. It worries me that Orlando seems to have a franchise center, franchise point guard and franchise SF, however is still a sub par team. I'd be hesitant to give harris a max, however some other team will. Depending on Orlando's direction, this may or may not happen. I do think status quo is not acceptable to their FO.

Why would someone like Stauskis be a better compliment? He is shooting 27% from 3 and cant drive with the ball.

Come on tide, your going to bring stats up on a rookie!!!!!??? i picked a random young SG who is known as a floor spacer as oppose to slasher. Feel free to argue Dipo >Stauskis but i really don't care. Point was floor spacing SG.

[Blkbrd671]

I'm surprised no one really said anything about the Pistons.

One of the best young front courts in the league with Drummond and Monroe

Good amount of cap space next off season and decent pick (depends if we sneak in the playoffs)

KCP can still develop into a decent player imo like a Wes Matthews

Brandon Jennings looks like he has finally turned the corner and is becoming a good leader.

Probably have the best coach out of all the bad/rebuilding teams

Because we aren't considered a bad team, despite our record. I think this is referencing the teams that haven't figured it out yet with their rosters. Detroits seem'd to have figured it out

[tiderulz]

Payton looks legit, he needs to figure his shot out, however he has that pace about him. I think he's goign to be really good. Olidipo is nice piece but he's undersized and the SG position, idk how him and Payton compliment each other, but i'd think a shooter like stauskis be a better compliment.I don't think they'll pay harris, Gordon is a freak athletically but is a tweener with no outside game, and Nuc is a straight franchise player. If i am them, i'd build around Payton, Gordon, Nuc, with Olidipo coming off the bench. Surround that team with vets as well.

You realize that Victor is shooting 40% from 3 pt range, while also able to drive and plays good defense. We dont know what Gordon is yet or if he will have an outside game or not, though he is 4-8 from 3 pt range. Harris, Orlando more than likely matches. 22 yr old, 30% from 3, putting up 18/7 on efficient numbers, yeah, they match.

You do realize he shot .327 % from the field last year?? while i do acknowledge shooters can improve and i am quite surprised at Dipo's %, i don't think anyone considers him a shooter>slasher. My concern with Dipo is he's much more effective with the ball in his hands and while 2 play makers next to each other is not necessarily a bad thing, its a problem with they don't compliment each other. Payton needs floor spacers next to him and harris and Dipo aren't good consistent 3 point shooters. As i said, i am not quite sure they compliment each other, just basing it off their strengths.

As far as Gordon, he needs to soley fixate on developing a 3 point shot, and please don't bring in this 4-8 BUllsh*, you know damn well he's not a 50% 3 point shooter. He has huge upside though, and any team can use a highly athletic guy that does the intangibles.

As far as Harris...........idk they do. harris for whatever reason is not a great 3 point shooter(despite that form doe), however he does make up for it in other areas. It worries me that Orlando seems to have a franchise center, franchise point guard and franchise SF, however is still a sub par team. I'd be hesitant to give harris a max, however some other team will. Depending on Orlando's direction, this may or may not happen. I do think status quo is not acceptable to their FO.

yep, as a rookie being forced to play PG. I'll give him a bit of a break there. And he was a good, not great but good shooter in college. And his best games this year, when the ball was primarily controlled by Elf so that he could just attack as a SG and not have to think too much. And Harris has been a 40% 3 pt shooter this year, how is that not consistent?

As for Gordon, again, as i said we just dont know what his offense will be. But watching practice film of him, he shoots better than his reputation.

You keep saying Harris isnt a great 3 pt shooter, he doesnt have to be great, but he is good and has gotten better each year. Do you forget he is just 22, younger than Dipo even. He wasnt healthy all year last year, but shot near 38% from 3 when he finally got healthy.Durant wasnt a great 3 pt shooter his first 4 years either.

And dont discount bad coaching for the team and the fact they are one of the youngest teams in the league. It took Washington about 4 years with Wall/Beal/etc to start winning. OKC had Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka/Harden and still took a couple of years until they had a winning record. Not calling Orlando a contender, but they can easily develop more and get better, especially with a real coach.

[Blkbrd671]

yep, as a rookie being forced to play PG. I'll give him a bit of a break there. And he was a good, not great but good shooter in college. And his best games this year, when the ball was primarily controlled by Elf so that he could just attack as a SG and not have to think too much. And Harris has been a 40% 3 pt shooter this year, how is that not consistent?

Because he shot a horrible 26% last year and is 31% over his career. Or are we just ignoring that because it helps your argument!??????????????????

As for Gordon, again, as i said we just dont know what his offense will be. But watching practice film of him, he shoots better than his reputation.

Which means nothing, MCW made i think 15 3 point shots in a row in training sesh, don't mean he'll become a great 3 point shooter.

You keep saying Harris isnt a great 3 pt shooter, he doesnt have to be great, but he is good and has gotten better each year. Do you forget he is just 22, younger than Dipo even. He wasnt healthy all year last year, but shot near 38% from 3 when he finally got healthy.Durant wasnt a great 3 pt shooter his first 4 years either.

I keep saying it because he's not!

31% is not even considered good, that's his career stat which is a better sample size. Comparing Tobias Harris to durant won't even be entertained. As i said, i don't understand why Harris is a poor 3 point shooter considering his form , however fact is he's not. Can he improve!? yes................maybe. i think he'll eventually reach a high 30's % from 3pt range, however it'll be something that is a compliment to his skillset as oppose to part of his skillset. In other words, it'll never be his go to bread and butter.

And dont discount bad coaching for the team and the fact they are one of the youngest teams in the league. It took Washington about 4 years with Wall/Beal/etc to start winning. OKC had Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka/Harden and still took a couple of years until they had a winning record. Not calling Orlando a contender, but they can easily develop more and get better, especially with a real coach.

There are 100 of excuses that can be made as to why Orlando is not a good team record wise with all their talent. However one thing i notice is you continue to compare your team to other teams/players that quite frankly are unique. There's not Wall or Bradley beal type player on Orlando, there's not Durant , westbrook, harden or ibaka on Orlando's team. and just in case, there's no lebron.

The problem i see with your POV is that your hoping some of your players develop into players that they aren't.

[tiderulz]

yep, as a rookie being forced to play PG. I'll give him a bit of a break there. And he was a good, not great but good shooter in college. And his best games this year, when the ball was primarily controlled by Elf so that he could just attack as a SG and not have to think too much. And Harris has been a 40% 3 pt shooter this year, how is that not consistent?

Because he shot a horrible 26% last year and is 31% over his career. Or are we just ignoring that because it helps your argument!??????????????????

As for Gordon, again, as i said we just dont know what his offense will be. But watching practice film of him, he shoots better than his reputation.

Which means nothing, MCW made i think 15 3 point shots in a row in training sesh, don't mean he'll become a great 3 point shooter.

You keep saying Harris isnt a great 3 pt shooter, he doesnt have to be great, but he is good and has gotten better each year. Do you forget he is just 22, younger than Dipo even. He wasnt healthy all year last year, but shot near 38% from 3 when he finally got healthy.Durant wasnt a great 3 pt shooter his first 4 years either.

I keep saying it because he's not!

31% is not even considered good, that's his career stat which is a better sample size. Comparing Tobias Harris to durant won't even be entertained. As i said, i don't understand why Harris is a poor 3 point shooter considering his form , however fact is he's not. Can he improve!? yes................maybe. i think he'll eventually reach a high 30's % from 3pt range, however it'll be something that is a compliment to his skillset as oppose to part of his skillset. In other words, it'll never be his go to bread and butter.

And dont discount bad coaching for the team and the fact they are one of the youngest teams in the league. It took Washington about 4 years with Wall/Beal/etc to start winning. OKC had Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka/Harden and still took a couple of years until they had a winning record. Not calling Orlando a contender, but they can easily develop more and get better, especially with a real coach.

There are 100 of excuses that can be made as to why Orlando is not a good team record wise with all their talent. However one thing i notice is you continue to compare your team to other teams/players that quite frankly are unique. There's not Wall or Bradley beal type player on Orlando, there's not Durant , westbrook, harden or ibaka on Orlando's team. and just in case, there's no lebron.

The problem i see with your POV is that your hoping some of your players develop into players that they aren't.

shrug, agree to disagree

[Revived]

I don't think LA is in a bad position. A few lucky ping pong balls and they could have the 4th or 5th pick along with Randle and Kobe coming off the books soon. LA will have 2 high lotto picks, cap space, and as the Lakers you know they'll find a great free agent pick up.

This is what i don't understand. People keep saying this but Shaq is the only "great" free agent in his prime who the Lakers have signed in free agency in last 20-30 years.

[Blkbrd671]

shrug, agree to disagree

or ignoring stats, but we'll leave it at that

[tiderulz]

shrug, agree to disagree

or ignoring stats, but we'll leave it at that

i posted mine, you posted yours, we draw different conclusions.

[CoreConcept]

UTH seems to have been the best wrost team the past 4 years. Favors never turned into Amare, Kanter is inconsistent, hayward is a beast, and Burkes is still figuring it out. They have a future with Goubert, if healthy. and Burks is good but not great. Haven't seen exum enough to comment. They really don't have a clear picture of their directions.i'd suggest they trade kanter and Burke and get what they can to build around Exum, Goubert and fAvors

Utah has only been bad since last year. They made the playoffs in 2012 and were 43-39 in 2013.

[Rock Hardy]

I expect Miami to be better than all those teams listed in two years. Most of those teams are perennial losers. I think track record and coaching have to be taken into consideration.

[Han Solo]

I'm surprised no one really said anything about the Pistons.

One of the best young front courts in the league with Drummond and Monroe

Good amount of cap space next off season and decent pick (depends if we sneak in the playoffs)

KCP can still develop into a decent player imo like a Wes Matthews

Brandon Jennings looks like he has finally turned the corner and is becoming a good leader.

Probably have the best coach out of all the bad/rebuilding teams

Because we aren't considered a bad team, despite our record. I think this is referencing the teams that haven't figured it out yet with their rosters. Detroits seem'd to have figured it out

Exactly. Detroit is going to upset someone first round too. I doubt they end up with the 8th seed. I'm thinking 6-7 seed for Detroit with a first round upset. Quote me.

[Rasheeed!!!]

I nominate the Kings for teams with one of the worst futures just by having their nutty owner. Shame because they were on the way up

[GANGSTERDOG]

Payton looks legit, he needs to figure his shot out, however he has that pace about him. I think he's goign to be really good. Olidipo is nice piece but he's undersized and the SG position, idk how him and Payton compliment each other, but i'd think a shooter like stauskis be a better compliment.I don't think they'll pay harris, Gordon is a freak athletically but is a tweener with no outside game, and Nuc is a straight franchise player. If i am them, i'd build around Payton, Gordon, Nuc, with Olidipo coming off the bench. Surround that team with vets as well.

You realize that Victor is shooting 40% from 3 pt range, while also able to drive and plays good defense. We dont know what Gordon is yet or if he will have an outside game or not, though he is 4-8 from 3 pt range. Harris, Orlando more than likely matches. 22 yr old, 30% from 3, putting up 18/7 on efficient numbers, yeah, they match.

You do realize he shot .327 % from the field last year?? while i do acknowledge shooters can improve and i am quite surprised at Dipo's %, i don't think anyone considers him a shooter>slasher. My concern with Dipo is he's much more effective with the ball in his hands and while 2 play makers next to each other is not necessarily a bad thing, its a problem with they don't compliment each other. Payton needs floor spacers next to him and harris and Dipo aren't good consistent 3 point shooters. As i said, i am not quite sure they compliment each other, just basing it off their strengths.

As far as Gordon, he needs to soley fixate on developing a 3 point shot, and please don't bring in this 4-8 BUllsh*, you know damn well he's not a 50% 3 point shooter. He has huge upside though, and any team can use a highly athletic guy that does the intangibles.

As far as Harris...........idk they do. harris for whatever reason is not a great 3 point shooter(despite that form doe), however he does make up for it in other areas. It worries me that Orlando seems to have a franchise center, franchise point guard and franchise SF, however is still a sub par team. I'd be hesitant to give harris a max, however some other team will. Depending on Orlando's direction, this may or may not happen. I do think status quo is not acceptable to their FO.

Why would someone like Stauskis be a better compliment? He is shooting 27% from 3 and cant drive with the ball.

Come on tide, your going to bring stats up on a rookie!!!!!??? i picked a random young SG who is known as a floor spacer as oppose to slasher. Feel free to argue Dipo >Stauskis but i really don't care. Point was floor spacing SG.

you brought up stats from a rookie too saying that Oladipo isn't a good 3 point shooter cause of his rookie year.
Facts are Oladipo and Harris have gotten better at shooting the 3 Ball. The past doesn't matter.

[majortom71]

wow...in which universe would you want Stauskas over Oladipo?

[southern wolf]

Utah is an interesting one. They've got a lot of nice young pieces, but I don't think any of their current crop are going to be stars, just solid role players. I don't know where they're going to find that future star piece unless they get lucky at the lottery.

[Sildegil]

Utah is an interesting one. They've got a lot of nice young pieces, but I don't think any of their current crop are going to be stars, just solid role players. I don't know where they're going to find that future star piece unless they get lucky at the lottery.

Gobert will most certainly be! Perennial DPOY candidate...

[lethalizer]

You do realize he shot .327 % from the field last year?? while i do acknowledge shooters can improve and i am quite surprised at Dipo's %, i don't think anyone considers him a shooter>slasher. My concern with Dipo is he's much more effective with the ball in his hands and while 2 play makers next to each other is not necessarily a bad thing, its a problem with they don't compliment each other. Payton needs floor spacers next to him and harris and Dipo aren't good consistent 3 point shooters. As i said, i am not quite sure they compliment each other, just basing it off their strengths.

I do remember a certain former MVP who shot %28.8 from 3 point range his rookie season, then proceeded to shoot %42.2 from 3 his sophomore year. I'll let you figure out who that was.

I love Dipo's improvement. And replacing "him" should not be the issue for the Magic going forward. It should be surrounding "him" with some spacers. I like Payton's game a lot, but Dipo's potential is a lot higher if you ask me.