Best futures of Bad Teams

[jbk1234]

Of the worst teams in the NBA (Lakers, Utah, Minny, Sac, Den, NO, BRK, Orl, Char, Bos, Indy, Philly, NY, Det, Miami) best and worst futures?

Best-
1. Minny I love their core going forward, with Rubio, Wiggens, Bazz, Bennett, Lavine, Deing, then if they add a top big, look out. Parker would be awesome with this lineup

2. Orl-Payton, Oli, Harris, Gordon, Nuc is a great first 5-expecpt for shooting. A bench of Fournier, Harnkess and their pick this year to replace Fyre long term would look good too. They just need to keep this group together and let them run

3. Utah-Exum, Burks, Hayward, Favors, Goubert is a great 5-Burks would look better as a 6th man, and they still have Kanter and Burke to play with

Worst
1. Brk-no young players, no picks, for sale-this team is a mess for years to come
2. NY-who will join Melo in NY, and how will he age? I think Phil is in trouble there
3. LA-Which FA's are coming? If they lose their pick this year (likely) they have Kobe, Young and a recovering Randle next year. Mabye KD and Love sign up in 2016, but I doubt it.

It is bad for the NBA that their 2 most valuable franchises will be down for a while (Miami doesn't look so bright long term, and Bos needs some luck too)-but the TV deal is signed.

I think Minny/Utah are kind of 1 and 1a. A healthy Rubio could be the difference maker. I'm concerned about Orlando but I'm willing to reserve judgment until they get a new coach. They don't really play as one unit and they aren't talented enough to play as five individuals. I'd have a couple teams listed ahead of them.

Brooklyn is clearly in the worst position. The Knicks could end up with the 1st pick and a boat load of cap space. Melo has more left in the tank than Kobe. Year to year you never know whether the Laker mystique is self-delusion on the part of the people in L.A. or real in terms of luring great players. It feels like Dwight bolting might have been a turning point for that franchise. They've been bad before.

[fekz]

Minnesota without a doubt.

[TDotsfinest97]

Minnesota has a legit franchise player in Wiggins, let him develop for 4-5 years, surround him with good role players and they'll be in the WCF. ORL has an interesting 1-2 punch with Vucevic and Oladipo. Utah is a question mark IMO, Exum is intriguing, I'm not sure if Kanter will be apart of the future, but they do have the most complete team right now, Gobert is showing signs of greatness. I'd look at the Bucks too, I know they don't count as a "bad team" but they have a good core, playoff experience will be huge for them.

[JohnsHopkins]

There's a lot of faith and credit given to the LA Lakers in free agency when historically they have really only ever had one significant FA signing (Shaq). And that was back when Shaq thought he had a movie career in front of him. Almost all of their success has come from the draft and trades. Currently they have no trade assets and they owe two first round picks over the next few year.

Jerry Buss is gone, Phil is gone, the shine is off the franchise. They aren't a team that can attract players based on a legitimate title shot. They are in rebuild mode in the front office and the team.

Interesting. After the Shaquille signing, the only year the Lakers had cap space is last summer. We went after 4 players, 2 stayed with their former teams and took the extra 20M, 1 went home to play In "the land", and the other was dirk. The lakers never went after 2nd tier free agents, and I'm sure they could have got any of them to sign if they were willing to pay up.

The lakers have also been able to lure some decent players for the minimum, nick young last year, Ed Davis this year.

They are currentl have the 5th worse record and will shut down Kobe and trade hill for a pick. They should be able to keep that pick, they also have Houston's pick this yeAr and another potential pick in any hill trade.

You need to do your research before posting.

[dautjazz]

Minnesota has a legit franchise player in Wiggins, let him develop for 4-5 years, surround him with good role players and they'll be in the WCF. ORL has an interesting 1-2 punch with Vucevic and Oladipo. Utah is a question mark IMO, Exum is intriguing, I'm not sure if Kanter will be apart of the future, but they do have the most complete team right now, Gobert is showing signs of greatness. I'd look at the Bucks too, I know they don't count as a "bad team" but they have a good core, playoff experience will be huge for them.

Kanter is a defensive liability, could he improve in that department, maybe, but for now, many Jazz fans want him gone. You didn't mention Favors, he's 10th in PER in the NBA, having a great season. Hayward is also playing very well and he definitely passes the eye test. Some nights Hayward isn't very aggressive, but when he is, he looks like a star, but obviously he has a little way to go, but he'll get there.

[TDotsfinest97]

Minnesota has a legit franchise player in Wiggins, let him develop for 4-5 years, surround him with good role players and they'll be in the WCF. ORL has an interesting 1-2 punch with Vucevic and Oladipo. Utah is a question mark IMO, Exum is intriguing, I'm not sure if Kanter will be apart of the future, but they do have the most complete team right now, Gobert is showing signs of greatness. I'd look at the Bucks too, I know they don't count as a "bad team" but they have a good core, playoff experience will be huge for them.

Kanter is a defensive liability, could he improve in that department, maybe, but for now, many Jazz fans want him gone. You didn't mention Favors, he's 10th in PER in the NBA, having a great season. Hayward is also playing very well and he definitely passes the eye test. Some nights Hayward isn't very aggressive, but when he is, he looks like a star, but obviously he has a little way to go, but he'll get there.

Yeah, I made a subtle reference to Favors ,Hayward and maybe Burks by stating that you guys have the most complete team out of the bad teams. Utah has low-post scoring, they have a rim protector, they also have reliable 3-pt shooting in Hayward ( not in Burke) , you said that sometimes he's not aggressive enough, which is all part of his development. Burks in undergoing surgery but I saw him play a little, and he has the potential to be a talented wing in this league, he's got some midrange jumpshot in him a little, he's athletic and can attack the rim, what makes me think that this Utah team is a question mark is do they have that guy that can put this franchise over the hump or can they surround their core with the good veteran role players through FA's to hopefully make the playoffs in about 2-3 years.

[loserX]

Utah is in a teribble position.

As a Jazz fan I still think we have some work to do...but a terrible position? Not sure where that comes from; I don't think you'll find much agreement on it.

[Blkbrd671]

here is what happens when you dont follow teams. The reason Dipo was given PG duties was to improve his ball handling, which was a cited weakness coming into his draft. The time spent at backup PG was used to tighten up his ball handling, as he was primarily an off the ball SG at Indiana.

which i stated multiple times.

Again, a his best games have been when he can play SG and concentrate on attacking, not always having the ball in his hands and having to think too much. He would be a combo guard at best as a PG as his court vision is just not there for a PG.

your taking the discussion on a tangent here, i stated idk if two ball dominant players can compliment each other, your stating he's not a ball dominant player? he can spot up? catch and shoot? i do think Dipo can do those things, i don't think that they are his strengths.

[Blkbrd671]

I'll leave the rest of this to y'all but remind that the whole reason Stauskas was a lotto prospect was because he was very capable of driving in college and had pretty good vision off the bounce too. I know he hasn't shown much but his stock was based as much on his peripheral offensive skills as his pure shooting.

As stated discussions not stau vs dipo, but feel free to argue with the other guy discussing it on his own

[wicked_crossova]

I agree with Minnie and Orlando. I would also add Boston, based only on their current talent. I really like Smart, Olynyk, Sullinger and Bradley.

With all of those extra picks, cap room and great coaching/management they're gonna be in great shape.

I also like Philly, but I'm not convinced that their management will actually be able to show loyalty and build a roster. At a certain point you have to commit to a team, and they looked to be faced with perpetual dissatisfaction with their guys.

For Utah, they have some interesting pieces but something isn't quite right there.

lmao, what are these pictures supposed to prove? Hinkie doesn't look like he wants to be there at all

[tiderulz]

I'll leave the rest of this to y'all but remind that the whole reason Stauskas was a lotto prospect was because he was very capable of driving in college and had pretty good vision off the bounce too. I know he hasn't shown much but his stock was based as much on his peripheral offensive skills as his pure shooting.

As stated discussions not stau vs dipo, but feel free to argue with the other guy discussing it on his own

it would have helped if you had said a floor spacer LIKE Stauskas. then people wouldnt get confused

[Shot Clock]

There's a lot of faith and credit given to the LA Lakers in free agency when historically they have really only ever had one significant FA signing (Shaq). And that was back when Shaq thought he had a movie career in front of him. Almost all of their success has come from the draft and trades. Currently they have no trade assets and they owe two first round picks over the next few year.

Jerry Buss is gone, Phil is gone, the shine is off the franchise. They aren't a team that can attract players based on a legitimate title shot. They are in rebuild mode in the front office and the team.

Interesting. After the Shaquille signing, the only year the Lakers had cap space is last summer. We went after 4 players, 2 stayed with their former teams and took the extra 20M, 1 went home to play In "the land", and the other was dirk. The lakers never went after 2nd tier free agents, and I'm sure they could have got any of them to sign if they were willing to pay up.

The lakers have also been able to lure some decent players for the minimum, nick young last year, Ed Davis this year.

They are currentl have the 5th worse record and will shut down Kobe and trade hill for a pick. They should be able to keep that pick, they also have Houston's pick this yeAr and another potential pick in any hill trade.

You need to do your research before posting.

What research? There's only ever been one significant FA signing. You can explain away all the ones last year but ultimately those are the issues with every free agent. Not to mention Howard who you lost to FA. Gasol left as FA.

Won't matter if they keep the pick this year they still owe 2 numbers ones in the next few years.

Same issues will remain next year with free agents. Plus there are only a few that are really franchise altering players.
- Better chance of winning elsewhere
- No buddies to join on LA
- more money to stay with existing team

Nick Young and Ed Davis aren't cornerstones. They have one player to build around. An undersized PF with injury questions.

The new CBA is tough to build under. And also, Kobe is not exactly an attraction to play with anymore. I doubt his wife lets him walk from that money.

[snoopdogg88]

I agree with Minnie and Orlando. I would also add Boston, based only on their current talent. I really like Smart, Olynyk, Sullinger and Bradley.

With all of those extra picks, cap room and great coaching/management they're gonna be in great shape.

I also like Philly, but I'm not convinced that their management will actually be able to show loyalty and build a roster. At a certain point you have to commit to a team, and they looked to be faced with perpetual dissatisfaction with their guys.

For Utah, they have some interesting pieces but something isn't quite right there.

lmao, what are these pictures supposed to prove? Hinkie doesn't look like he wants to be there at all

They flew all the way to Spain together, but i guess they don't want to be there right? Makes sense...

[HotelVitale]

I'll leave the rest of this to y'all but remind that the whole reason Stauskas was a lotto prospect was because he was very capable of driving in college and had pretty good vision off the bounce too. I know he hasn't shown much but his stock was based as much on his peripheral offensive skills as his pure shooting.

As stated discussions not stau vs dipo, but feel free to argue with the other guy discussing it on his own

You're right, this was the comment I was trying to give background info for:

Why would someone like Stauskis be a better compliment? He is shooting 27% from 3 and cant drive with the ball.

[Amish Mafioso]

People are kidding themselves if they don't think the Lakers will attract FAs. The only thing stopping them now is Kobe. Once he's gone, players will be lining up to be the next face of the Lakers. However, I don't think LA has the patience to wait a year or two to get just the right player, so it's going to take some luck as well. If they don't get KD, they still might get a couple stars, but like we've seen in Cleveland, having several star players doesn't guarantee anything.

[mateo82]

Biggest mistake fans make is projecting young players to consistently improve for 4 or 5 years and then hit their primes at the same time. I think the success of OKC (where this formula did happen) has given people the wrong idea about how players develop. The truth is the vast major of players peak early, year 2 or 3, and they are who they are from there. What happens is as players get older, if they are any good, they get more minutes.

We see this myth of young teams maturing into great teams gets repeated over and over again. But you have to look at the players. I remember when Portland was going to be the team of the future when they had the young core of LA, Roy, Oden, Rudy Fernandez, Travis Outlaw... that team seemed destined to be a title contender... about right now. Well, the Blazers are a second tier contender but the team's core is completely different now.

So I see the same mistake being made with Minnesota right now. Wiggins is the only guy with upside. Everyone else is who they is, which puts them as a team not good enough to contend for a playoff spot in the west.

[Blkbrd671]

it would have helped if you had said a floor spacer LIKE Stauskas. then people wouldnt get confused

it would help if you read

i picked a random young SG who is known as a floor spacer as oppose to slasher. Feel free to argue Dipo >Stauskis but i really don't care. Point was floor spacing SG.

[jayjaysee]

I'd go Minnesota because Wiggins is looking like the best player on any of the bad teams, his hype is getting backed up lately and his ceiling is as high as it gets. And they'll be adding another solid pick on top of the rest of their young guys. Peak and Martin shouldn't be on the team starting next year.

Utah is in a great situation, don't understand the hate there. Favors and Hayward have already shown they are very good starters. Exam and Gobert have insane ceilings..

Philly is in questionable shape as they potentially have the best front court in the league with Embiid/Noel locked up for 8 years.. Or they have Greg Oden.. Not really fair to judge without Embiid unless you want to just say Philly has two top 3 picks in 2016..

Boston has the most assets, but will need creativity in my opinion as they don't seem to have a all-star on their roster yet. But I was never sold on Smart..

Lakers/Knicks don't really belong with the other teams.. As they are going to build around free agency and their 1-2 guys.. Maybe that's Boston's plan as well though, sign a star, trade for a star, and all the picks are young solid roleplayers around the two?

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Lakers if they keep their pick, should just fill their roster with one year guys and look to sign 2-3 max guys in 2016. I agree next summer they aren't attractive at all - but in 2016 with two (possibly) talented young guys on cheap contracts and enough cap space for 2-3 max guys.. Beyond just hating the Lakers to hate the Lakers - that all should seem pretty possible and end up with a probable contender by 2017-2018 season.

Nets aren't good and are paying too much for the product.. But Lopez/Plumlee/Joe/Bogs/Jack/Deron... Not amazing...obviously.. But should stay in playoffs next two years.


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[wickedwrister]

lmao, what are these pictures supposed to prove? Hinkie doesn't look like he wants to be there at all

They flew all the way to Spain together, but i guess they don't want to be there right? Makes sense...

People just want to stick to the narratives they enjoy. Nobody cares that the Sixers are texting Saric daily and that he has given multiple interviews saying he wants to come over ASAP and possibly next year. They enjoy the concept of the Sixers failing hard so they'd rather say things like "They used a pick on a guy who may never come over."

They want to stick to the narrative of the Sixers have no culture and cohesion so they don't care that Hinkie, Brown, MCW, Noel and Embiid all flew to Spain to cheer on Saric during the FIBA tournament and they all hung out together. They'd rather say the culture is poison because the idea of the culture being poisonous is amusing to them.

The Sixers are doing things differently than any team before them, time will tell if they are right but those that believe the way everyone else does things is the right way will find ways to take shots at them every step of the way. Facts are inconsequential unless they support the narrative you are looking to back.

[Sky Bucks]

This may be some homerism in me, but I think the Bucks have as bright of a future as any of these teams even though they aren't classified as a being a "bad" team.