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Post#1401 » by Revived » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:19 am

For Suns' Archie Goodwin, ample talent but dwindling patience

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. — It was a good weekend for Suns guard Archie Goodwin, who spent five days playing with Phoenix's D-League affiliate, the Bakersfield Jam. Goodwin averaged 23.3 points in three games as the Jam won the first Showcase Cup on Monday, defeating the Grand Rapids Drive.

The problem is that the 70 points Goodwin scored were 23 more than he has scored in the 12 games he has played with Phoenix at the NBA level. Goodwin, in his second season, understands that he is only 20 years old. But he was also the best player on the floor at the Showcase, and waiting for his turn in Phoenix has not been easy.

Of course it is going to be frustrating for me, because I am a competitor,” Goodwin told Sporting News. “I have enough confidence in myself to believe I can play right now. A lot of guys, once they get here, they sort of feel like, ‘Well, it’s OK, I will get my opportunity eventually.’ That’s not me. I feel like I could be playing right now. In that sense, it is very frustrating.”

The Suns have a logjam at the guard position that isn't making anyone happy. Phoenix got Isaiah Thomas in a sign-and-trade with the Kings last summer, adding him to a group that already included Eric Bledsoe, Goran Dragic and Gerald Green. It drafted Tyler Ennis, signed guard Zoran Dragic (Goran's brother) and recently added another wing, Reggie Bullock, in a trade with the Clippers.

The moves puzzled Goodwin.

I don’t know what they’re doing,” he said. “Honestly, I really don’t. I guess they know what they’re doing — I can just play ball and let them make the decisions. I don’t know what the purpose is for it, but there is nothing I can do about it.”

Goodwin said he understands that those are all NBA-quality players, and he does not want to create the impression that he thinks he should be ahead of them.

I still want to stay professional,” Goodwin said. “We have a great team in Phoenix and we’re making a playoff push with those guys. With that being said, I am not going to dwell on it, I am going to be a positive guy. I don’t want those guys thinking I don’t want them to succeed — I do, with all my heart. From the standpoint of me being a competitor, yeah, it is frustrating, but I still understand what’s going on.”

The glut of guards puts the Suns in position to make a deal, which might be necessary to firm up the team’s tenuous playoff position. And while Goodwin has been the odd man out, he is not the only one unhappy with the situation. Thomas has taken shots away from both Bledsoe and Goran Dragic, who was the league’s Most Improved Player last year.

Green, while happy that the team is winning, has not been pleased with a reduced role. He can become a free agent in the summer, which makes him an obvious trade target. But sources told Sporting News that there is “no way” the Suns will move Green this year.

In the meantime, Goodwin continues working and waiting. He has added strength — he said he has gained 12 pounds and is looking to add another five or 10 this summer. And he knows what he needs to do in order to get more time with the Suns.

“I’ve got to get better defensively,” Goodwin said. “That is what it comes down to for me, because we have so many great scorers on our team. The only way I can get minutes is to make an impact defensively. They want me to come down here for that purpose, to stay in game shape, to keep getting game minutes.”

The season is half over and he knows he probably won’t be getting his chance in Phoenix this year, that winning the D-League Showcase MVP trophy could well be the 2014-15 highlight for him. His first two NBA seasons have been exercises in patience, but he makes no bones about low his reservoir of patience has gotten.

He expects his chance to come next year. If not, he might not be in Phoenix much longer.

If it don’t come next year, I’m not going to take it,” Goodwin said. “That’s basically what it’s going to come down to. But that’s not for me to worry about, that’s for my agent to talk to those guys about.”


Can't say this comes as much of a surprise. The tidbit about Suns not trading Green this season and willing to let him walk instead is a bit more puzzling.

With the last remark, I'm gonna assume that Goodwin, like Plumlee, will demand a trade out if he still doesn't crack the rotation by next season.
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Post#1402 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:22 am

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wordsenuff wrote:sounds like archie is kind of pissed about some suns moves. cant blame him.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... ran-dragic


Archie is a 6'5" athletic freak with ball handling skills and the Suns continue to throw a 5'9" ball stopping selfish point guard out there instead of him. I would be mad too. It is ridiculous. I could care less about Thomas' feelings wanting to play or his impact. He is not a winning basketball player and has no business being on this team. I would rather Green, Goodwin, and Ennis backup Bledsoe and Dragic and then trade Thomas. Goodwin has shown the ability to drive to the hoop and finish or get fouled. His jump shot needs improvement but so did Tucker's. Goodwin has not really been given a chance and there is no reason for it. I am a believer of putting the young guys out there. What do the Suns have to lose? It is not like Isaiah Thomas is going to lead them to a championship.



I get that some people are upset with how IT plays, but make no mistake, he's an above average, or at worst average, starting caliber point guard in this league, and solely because of his height he's getting paid a fraction of his production value (and production is what matters people). No way does Archie deserve to play over him at this point in his career. Thomas may be a ball stopper, but he shoots a good percentage from the field, so it's not like he's killing our offense overall. His strength is pick and roll offense, and that by definition requires the ball to stop for a period of time. I get frustrated with him to, but people advocating dumping him for nothing but expirings or a late first are really undervaluing him.
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Post#1403 » by DaleyBlind » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:23 am

it was only a matter of time before Goodwin voiced his frustrations. He is in his 2nd year and has got barley no playing time, You can argue all you want about him not being ready/he is only young etc., but the reality is players wanna play and he hasn't gotten a proper chance too.
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Post#1404 » by DaleyBlind » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:24 am

Not buying that Green tibet at all, if the right deal comes along he is gone.
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Post#1405 » by Cutter » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:24 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Don't like how Archie is handling himself. He needs to understand his age. He barely played well vs NBDL players. Not liking this at all.

Completely agree. Archie needs to be a positive voice about the team, and about his need to improve various aspects of his game. He has done nothing to earn the right to "express concerns" about the Suns direction or moves they are making.
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Post#1406 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:24 am

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Don't like how Archie is handling himself. He needs to understand his age. He barely played well vs NBDL players. Not liking this at all.

LOL most players in Goodwin's situation would have already demanded a trade by now. He's been a complete professional throughout it all.

Most people, like Goodwin, are confused by the Suns fetish for PGs and other guards. Loading up on million guards has never been successful for any team ever.


A 20 year old in his second season with no shot and undersized at the two guard position has no right to talk about the front office decisions. Even if one agrees/disagrees what they've done, he needs to relax. Seriously, Archie has done nothing in this league. He won MVP at NBDL championship game and wants to talk about the front office moves? LOL go somewhere with that. He didnt even deserve that MVP. Barron is the guy that outplayed everyone. Shooting 20% in outside shots is flat out terrible for a shooting guard.
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Post#1407 » by SunZel » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:26 am

Yea i feel for Archie. Apparently the dude is a very hard worker but this team keeps loading up with guards for some reason...Zoran and bullock really stumped me. I kinda hope he gets traded so he gets the opportunity to shine, but of course i wish it was with us. Dont see him getting any minutes anytime soon unless there is major shakeup in the roster. I really cant imagine Archie going through anohter season like this where he just goes to the dleague and gets no minutes for the Suns.
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Post#1408 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:26 am

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For Suns' Archie Goodwin, ample talent but dwindling patience

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. — It was a good weekend for Suns guard Archie Goodwin, who spent five days playing with Phoenix's D-League affiliate, the Bakersfield Jam. Goodwin averaged 23.3 points in three games as the Jam won the first Showcase Cup on Monday, defeating the Grand Rapids Drive.

The problem is that the 70 points Goodwin scored were 23 more than he has scored in the 12 games he has played with Phoenix at the NBA level. Goodwin, in his second season, understands that he is only 20 years old. But he was also the best player on the floor at the Showcase, and waiting for his turn in Phoenix has not been easy.

Of course it is going to be frustrating for me, because I am a competitor,” Goodwin told Sporting News. “I have enough confidence in myself to believe I can play right now. A lot of guys, once they get here, they sort of feel like, ‘Well, it’s OK, I will get my opportunity eventually.’ That’s not me. I feel like I could be playing right now. In that sense, it is very frustrating.”

The Suns have a logjam at the guard position that isn't making anyone happy. Phoenix got Isaiah Thomas in a sign-and-trade with the Kings last summer, adding him to a group that already included Eric Bledsoe, Goran Dragic and Gerald Green. It drafted Tyler Ennis, signed guard Zoran Dragic (Goran's brother) and recently added another wing, Reggie Bullock, in a trade with the Clippers.

The moves puzzled Goodwin.

I don’t know what they’re doing,” he said. “Honestly, I really don’t. I guess they know what they’re doing — I can just play ball and let them make the decisions. I don’t know what the purpose is for it, but there is nothing I can do about it.”

Goodwin said he understands that those are all NBA-quality players, and he does not want to create the impression that he thinks he should be ahead of them.

I still want to stay professional,” Goodwin said. “We have a great team in Phoenix and we’re making a playoff push with those guys. With that being said, I am not going to dwell on it, I am going to be a positive guy. I don’t want those guys thinking I don’t want them to succeed — I do, with all my heart. From the standpoint of me being a competitor, yeah, it is frustrating, but I still understand what’s going on.”

The glut of guards puts the Suns in position to make a deal, which might be necessary to firm up the team’s tenuous playoff position. And while Goodwin has been the odd man out, he is not the only one unhappy with the situation. Thomas has taken shots away from both Bledsoe and Goran Dragic, who was the league’s Most Improved Player last year.

Green, while happy that the team is winning, has not been pleased with a reduced role. He can become a free agent in the summer, which makes him an obvious trade target. But sources told Sporting News that there is “no way” the Suns will move Green this year.

In the meantime, Goodwin continues working and waiting. He has added strength — he said he has gained 12 pounds and is looking to add another five or 10 this summer. And he knows what he needs to do in order to get more time with the Suns.

“I’ve got to get better defensively,” Goodwin said. “That is what it comes down to for me, because we have so many great scorers on our team. The only way I can get minutes is to make an impact defensively. They want me to come down here for that purpose, to stay in game shape, to keep getting game minutes.”

The season is half over and he knows he probably won’t be getting his chance in Phoenix this year, that winning the D-League Showcase MVP trophy could well be the 2014-15 highlight for him. His first two NBA seasons have been exercises in patience, but he makes no bones about low his reservoir of patience has gotten.

He expects his chance to come next year. If not, he might not be in Phoenix much longer.

If it don’t come next year, I’m not going to take it,” Goodwin said. “That’s basically what it’s going to come down to. But that’s not for me to worry about, that’s for my agent to talk to those guys about.”


Can't say this comes as much of a surprise. The tidbit about Suns not trading Green this season and willing to let him walk instead is a bit more puzzling.

With the last remark, I'm gonna assume that Goodwin, like Plumlee, will demand a trade out if he still doesn't crack the rotation by next season.



Goodwin isn't established enough to demand anything, let alone a trade. He can say he wants to be moved, but Phoenix certainly doesn't have to accommodate him. He needs to be mature enough to realize how loaded the backcourt is and take it as an opportunity to learn as much as he can from the players on the roster that are better than him, and right now Goran, Bledsoe, Thomas, and Green are better.

I have a hard time finding players who are confused with us dealing Shavlik Randolph for Bullock. Really? It's obvious why we're doing that. Shavlik doesn't play, is the oldest guy on the team, and it allows us to get younger with an interesting prospect. You put position need aside in situations like that. Every time.
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Post#1409 » by DaleyBlind » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:30 am

SunZel wrote:Yea i feel for Archie. Apparently the dude is a very hard worker but this team keeps loading up with guards for some reason...Zoran and bullock really stumped me. I kinda hope he gets traded so he gets the opportunity to shine, but of course i wish it was with us. Dont see him getting any minutes anytime soon unless there is major shakeup in the roster. I really cant imagine Archie going through anohter season like this where he just goes to the dleague and gets no minutes for the Suns.


Why did Bullock stump you??? Randolph for Bullock was a no brainer for us. An Old scrub for a young first round pick who our GM liked at the draft :crazy:
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Post#1410 » by Revived » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:31 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
SF88 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Don't like how Archie is handling himself. He needs to understand his age. He barely played well vs NBDL players. Not liking this at all.

LOL most players in Goodwin's situation would have already demanded a trade by now. He's been a complete professional throughout it all.

Most people, like Goodwin, are confused by the Suns fetish for PGs and other guards. Loading up on million guards has never been successful for any team ever.


A 20 year old in his second season with no shot and undersized at the two guard position has no right to talk about the front office decisions. Even if one agrees/disagrees what they've done, he needs to relax. Seriously, Archie has done nothing in this league. He won MVP at NBDL championship game and wants to talk about the front office moves? LOL go somewhere with that. He didnt even deserve that MVP. Barron is the guy that outplayed everyone. Shooting 20% in outside shots is flat out terrible for a shooting guard.

He's 6'5 he isn't undersized to play SG.

And being a bad 3pt shooter sure hasn't slowed down DeMar DeRozan or Dwayne Wade's career. Goodwin just needs to find other ways to score and he already has, its near impossible to stop him from penetrating and getting to the rim to draw a foul or for the dunk/layup.
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Post#1411 » by They_Them_Hatin » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:31 am

Hornets fan here what would it take to get Ennis, Goodwin and Plumlee? Mainly interested in the first two but BK may be interested in helping us get Lamb again if we give them Mason's brother . We need to upgrade out shooting and back up guard spots badly especially if we are losing Stephenson and hopefully we trade Neal. I would say Kemba, Biz, MKG, and Vonleuh are off limits. The first two you have no use for anyway .
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Post#1412 » by thamadkant » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:32 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
SF88 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Don't like how Archie is handling himself. He needs to understand his age. He barely played well vs NBDL players. Not liking this at all.

LOL most players in Goodwin's situation would have already demanded a trade by now. He's been a complete professional throughout it all.

Most people, like Goodwin, are confused by the Suns fetish for PGs and other guards. Loading up on million guards has never been successful for any team ever.


A 20 year old in his second season with no shot and undersized at the two guard position has no right to talk about the front office decisions. Even if one agrees/disagrees what they've done, he needs to relax. Seriously, Archie has done nothing in this league. He won MVP at NBDL championship game and wants to talk about the front office moves? LOL go somewhere with that. He didnt even deserve that MVP. Barron is the guy that outplayed everyone. Shooting 20% in outside shots is flat out terrible for a shooting guard.



WTF, why the hate towards a Suns player who hasnt done anything bad.

The Reggie Bullock trade came out of nowhere, its McD taking advantage of the situation.
Archie needs to be patient, yes, definitely. But the way you talk about him is as if he ran over your dog.
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Post#1413 » by Cutter » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:33 am

Long article from BSotS on Archie's development and how far he has to go. This analysis is from his play in DLeage for the Jam.
Archie Goodwin remains an enigmatic player for the Suns and their fanbase. Able to elicit both rabid support and rampant criticism, Goodwin is a perfect mirror of this year's team.

In one camp stand Goodwin's supporters, who point to his ludicrous athleticism, his already established ability to get to the rim and draw fouls, and his youth, and see a player who has earned a right to more minutes.

In the other camp stand Goodwin's skeptics. These individuals acknowledge Goodwin's prodigious athletic ability, but question whether he has earned minutes on this team given his still extremely questionable jumper and his poor, at some times inexplicable defense.

These camps stand at odds, as many of you who participate in the comments sections of Brightside's articles can attest.

Archie's recent assignment to the Bakersfield Jam for the D-League Showcase provided us with a unique opportunity to get an outsider's perspective on Goodwin's game, given the increased media exposure the Showcase generates.

The Brightside staff (okay, Dave) approached D-League reporter and Road to the Association's editor, Chris Reichert, to give us a scouting report on Goodwin's game, with the hope that he would provide us an opinion that isn't overly influenced by his personal connection to the team and player.

Here is what he had to say about Archie.

The Good

Archie is at his best with the ball in his hands, either on the break or in the half court sets. He's explosive enough to get by most defenders and at 6'5 has the athleticism to finish around the rim.

This has been Archie's bread and butter skill set since he was drafted. It is good to hear that he hasn't lost this, as some players who come to the NBA do, but this isn't particularly earth-shattering.

The mechanics on his set shot look good...

This is somewhat new information, as in the past Archie's shot mechanics haven't looked particularly solid. This could be the result of off-season work we know he did with Jeff Hornacek.

...he's effective when he does cut...

There are caveats to this statement that I will get into, but its encouraging to know that Archie's off-ball movement at least some of the time is positive.

He has great instincts when one pass away and because of that he got a couple steals and deflections that not all players would have gotten.

Some of this is influenced by Archie's athleticism, but it is really encouraging to hear that Archie's defensive instincts have improved, as this has been one of the major criticism's of his game to date.

Off the ball he does well to keep an eye on both man and ball and he looks to be in the 'right' place on almost every play.

This is in fact really encouraging, given that in his NBA stints Archie has at times looked absolutely lost when off the ball on defense.

Archie's on ball defense was surprisingly solid to me. He had to guard Andre Dawkins yesterday, who is a lights out shooter and Dawkins finished 2 of 12 from the floor.

Archie in fact did defend Dawkins well, as Reichert notes. Archie's on-ball defense again benefits from his athleticism, but in defending a player like Dawkins, who is deadly from the elbow, there is a certain element of basketball IQ necessary to preventing him from scoring, and it seems that Archie may be displaying that.

The Bad

...any time he's shooting off the dribble he tends to lean or fade, almost every time.

This is something that has plagued Archie since he joined the team last year. For whatever reason, it still seems like Archie has been unable to shake his tendency to add some sort of movement to his jump shot, and it throws off the improved mechanics displayed in his set shot.

Off the ball he simply stands. In the two games of film I watched I saw him cut off the ball a total of four times...its very rare.

This isn't particularly encouraging. Given his athleticism, Archie should be doing what he can to free himself from his defender by using screens and picks and getting alley-oops at the rim, much like Gerald Green does. As Reichert notes, some of this may be the Jam's system, but other players were cutting off the ball, so that can't be the only explanation.

Most possessions he stand on the wing just waiting for the ball to come to him and he doesn't work off screens very well or even make short v-cuts to try and create space to obtain the ball...

This is really more of the same from above problem.

...When players would get by him he just kind of lets them go and doesn't finish the play.

This is the only real defensive criticism Reichert has of Archie, but it is a pretty serious one. Finishing the play is an effort thing - when guys give up on the play after they've been blown by, it can create problems with their teammates, who either have to shift over to help in future situations or let the offensive player score. This could simply be an issue of maturity and playing down to the stage, but it isn't encouraging regardless.

The Verdict

All in all, I think Goodwin is headed in the right direction. The main area of concern for me was off the ball on the offensive side. He quite literally just stands and made no attempts to create openings for himself. He's only 20 and he will get better, but there's still work to be done.

This takeaway is really important. Archie's game is still a work in progress - he's a 20 year old 2nd year player who was taken as a long term development project. There is a reason he slid from a projected lottery pick to the very end of the first round. His developed skill set was very limited coming out of college.

It is encouraging to hear that Archie's defensive skills seem to have come along, as last season this was perhaps the most egregiously under-developed portion of his game.

It is disheartening, however, to continue to see things like his inability or unwillingness to operate creatively without the ball, to stick with his defensive assignment or to develop a consistent jump shot.

It must be noted that at least some of Archie's lack of development is a direct result of the Suns' inability to get him court time, given their unexpectedly strong play last season and their seeming inability this season to really put teams away early.

However, Archie isn't doing himself any favors when his play seems to reflect lack of effort, or when he is unable to show improvement in his jumpshot despite working with a shooting coach Kyle Korver credits with vastly improving his shooting stroke.

Reichert's final takeaway point is key. Archie will get better; there is definitely still work to be done, however.

Note: Archie Goodwin and the Jam play in the D-League Showcase finals today, at 11 o'clock Arizona time (1 pm ET, 10 am PT) against the Grand Rapids Drive. The game will air live on NBATV.
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Post#1414 » by Revived » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:33 am

ntsap wrote:Hornets fan here what would it take to get Ennis, Goodwin and Plumlee? Mainly interested in the first two but BK may be interested in helping us get Lamb again if we give them Mason's brother . We need to upgrade out shooting and back up guard spots badly especially if we are losing Stephenson and hopefully we trade Neal. I would say Kemba, Biz, MKG, and Vonleuh are off limits. The first two you have no use for anyway .

Would Goodwin actually get playing time Charlotte?

Selfishly, I would like to see Goodwin traded to a team where he will have the opportunity to earn minutes. He deserves it, he's one of the hardest workers on the team.
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Post#1415 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:36 am

SF88 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:
SF88 wrote:LOL most players in Goodwin's situation would have already demanded a trade by now. He's been a complete professional throughout it all.

Most people, like Goodwin, are confused by the Suns fetish for PGs and other guards. Loading up on million guards has never been successful for any team ever.


A 20 year old in his second season with no shot and undersized at the two guard position has no right to talk about the front office decisions. Even if one agrees/disagrees what they've done, he needs to relax. Seriously, Archie has done nothing in this league. He won MVP at NBDL championship game and wants to talk about the front office moves? LOL go somewhere with that. He didnt even deserve that MVP. Barron is the guy that outplayed everyone. Shooting 20% in outside shots is flat out terrible for a shooting guard.

He's 6'5 he isn't undersized to play SG.

And being a bad 3pt shooter sure hasn't slowed down DeMar DeRozan or Dwayne Wade's career. Goodwin just needs to find other ways to score and he already has, its near impossible to stop him from penetrating and getting to the rim to draw a foul or for the dunk/layup.


Those are two guys that have killer midrange shots... They have step backs, post ups.. etc. Archie gets to the rim easy but it's not always as good as you think. Way too out of control and forcing. You may say Bledsoe forces, but he goes in with power and doesn't throw weak stuff up. I think where Archie will earn his minutes will be on defense. He will get his time. Once his body gets stronger and shot gets better he will get his. Might be another 1-2 seasons. Main thing, BE PATIENT and don't question any moves the front office makes.
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Post#1416 » by SunZel » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:36 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
SunZel wrote:Yea i feel for Archie. Apparently the dude is a very hard worker but this team keeps loading up with guards for some reason...Zoran and bullock really stumped me. I kinda hope he gets traded so he gets the opportunity to shine, but of course i wish it was with us. Dont see him getting any minutes anytime soon unless there is major shakeup in the roster. I really cant imagine Archie going through anohter season like this where he just goes to the dleague and gets no minutes for the Suns.


Why did Bullock stump you??? Randolph for Bullock was a no brainer for us. An Old scrub for a young first round pick who our GM liked at the draft :crazy:

Yea he is a 23 year old guard could not find time on a team that needs wing help desperately. Doesn't make me too excited about him. Plus the dude will never see any minutes.
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Post#1417 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:38 am

1UPZ wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:
SF88 wrote:LOL most players in Goodwin's situation would have already demanded a trade by now. He's been a complete professional throughout it all.

Most people, like Goodwin, are confused by the Suns fetish for PGs and other guards. Loading up on million guards has never been successful for any team ever.


A 20 year old in his second season with no shot and undersized at the two guard position has no right to talk about the front office decisions. Even if one agrees/disagrees what they've done, he needs to relax. Seriously, Archie has done nothing in this league. He won MVP at NBDL championship game and wants to talk about the front office moves? LOL go somewhere with that. He didnt even deserve that MVP. Barron is the guy that outplayed everyone. Shooting 20% in outside shots is flat out terrible for a shooting guard.



WTF, why the hate towards a Suns player who hasnt done anything bad.

The Reggie Bullock trade came out of nowhere, its McD taking advantage of the situation.
Archie needs to be patient, yes, definitely. But the way you talk about him is as if he ran over your dog.


No!! I love Archie, really really want him on this team for a very long time. I think he's going to be a great player, but don't like how he's handling it. Ryan is doing an amazing job and calling him out is not right.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#1418 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:43 am

SunZel wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:
SunZel wrote:Yea i feel for Archie. Apparently the dude is a very hard worker but this team keeps loading up with guards for some reason...Zoran and bullock really stumped me. I kinda hope he gets traded so he gets the opportunity to shine, but of course i wish it was with us. Dont see him getting any minutes anytime soon unless there is major shakeup in the roster. I really cant imagine Archie going through anohter season like this where he just goes to the dleague and gets no minutes for the Suns.


Why did Bullock stump you??? Randolph for Bullock was a no brainer for us. An Old scrub for a young first round pick who our GM liked at the draft :crazy:

Yea he is a 23 year old guard could not find time on a team that needs wing help desperately. Doesn't make me too excited about him. Plus the dude will never see any minutes.



Just so much wrong with this. Don't know where to begin. Would you have turned down Shavlik for Stauskas, who also hasn't gotten much PT on a team desperate for guard play? It's SHAVLIK RANDOLPH. This was as no brainer as it gets.
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#1419 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:45 am

ntsap wrote:Hornets fan here what would it take to get Ennis, Goodwin and Plumlee? Mainly interested in the first two but BK may be interested in helping us get Lamb again if we give them Mason's brother . We need to upgrade out shooting and back up guard spots badly especially if we are losing Stephenson and hopefully we trade Neal. I would say Kemba, Biz, MKG, and Vonleuh are off limits. The first two you have no use for anyway .


But you must realize you just listed most of your valuable assets?

I suppose I'm interested in Zeller, but I also really like Ennis and think he will be a winning starter in this league. Ennis, Goodwin and Plum seems like fair value for Vonleh? At least close? I don't think Zeller could get you that package. You interested in Stauskas for Vonleh? Because we could swing that for you, I bet.

Goodwin and Plum you can have for your draft pick :D
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Re: Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs 

Post#1420 » by bigfoot » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:45 am

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wordsenuff wrote:sounds like archie is kind of pissed about some suns moves. cant blame him.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... ran-dragic


Archie is a 6'5" athletic freak with ball handling skills and the Suns continue to throw a 5'9" ball stopping selfish point guard out there instead of him. I would be mad too. It is ridiculous. I could care less about Thomas' feelings wanting to play or his impact. He is not a winning basketball player and has no business being on this team. I would rather Green, Goodwin, and Ennis backup Bledsoe and Dragic and then trade Thomas. Goodwin has shown the ability to drive to the hoop and finish or get fouled. His jump shot needs improvement but so did Tucker's. Goodwin has not really been given a chance and there is no reason for it. I am a believer of putting the young guys out there. What do the Suns have to lose? It is not like Isaiah Thomas is going to lead them to a championship.


Archie nailed it. He's gotta get better on defense otherwise he's not playing.

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