James Johnson and his lack of minutes

[DG88]

There is nothing to even suggest on off the court issue? Again your assumption of such an issue is baseless.

You can keep saying that, but that doesn't make it true. "Baseless" is strong word, and labelling the mere possibility of "behind the scenes" stuff going on as baseless is, frankly, baseless. And disrespectful to posters.

The fact is, this team is in win now mode, and can be expected to field its best players. Casey is not in a player development mode. That's the apparent justification for not playing Jonas in fourth quarters. So regardless of the holes in JJ's game, he's been a better player this year than Ross or GV, and it's fair for people to wonder what's going on.

The probability is that nothing is going on, that we just want more 3-point shooters out there especially with DeMar back, and/or that they just want to give T-Ross a minute surge to get his mojo back, and/or that they want cool JJ's propensity to gamble. I accept that. I've even argued in favour of some of them earlier in this thread. But that doesn't mean other possibilities are "baseless". Knock it off with that stuff.

When people on here claim that it could only be because there was an off court issue then ya it is baseless as harsh as that sounds. The definitive nature of that conclusion is what irks me more so because no one is thinking of any other possibility and claiming their subjective conclusions as fact.

[kasrahimi]

Its really funny how people have a hard on for JJ - the guy has no work ethic. I was told by a close friend of mine who has no reason to lie that she saw him at Luxy (that's that club in Woodbridge) on Saturday night, drunk out of his mind, dancing with any girl that had any curves on her. He also had a VIP booth (as you can guess). The Raps played Detroit on Sunday.... I am sure he was feeling the booze from the night before. No wonder he is not complaining about his lack of minutes, he know he doesn't deserve to see the floor with that kind of behaviour.

So in a nutshell, if you have a hard on for JJ, get some curves and you can suck him off at Luxy the night before game day

BINGO. I keep trying to point at his off-court behaviour but no one wants to believe it...I know for a fact he's the opposite of Demar off the court, take that how you want it

[kasrahimi]

There is nothing to even suggest on off the court issue? Again your assumption of such an issue is baseless.

You can keep saying that, but that doesn't make it true. "Baseless" is strong word, and labelling the mere possibility of "behind the scenes" stuff going on as baseless is, frankly, baseless. And disrespectful to posters.

The fact is, this team is in win now mode, and can be expected to field its best players. Casey is not in a player development mode. That's the apparent justification for not playing Jonas in fourth quarters. So regardless of the holes in JJ's game, he's been a better player this year than Ross or GV, and it's fair for people to wonder what's going on.

The probability is that nothing is going on, that we just want more 3-point shooters out there especially with DeMar back, and/or that they just want to give T-Ross a minute surge to get his mojo back, and/or that they want cool JJ's propensity to gamble. I accept that. I've even argued in favour of some of them earlier in this thread. But that doesn't mean other possibilities are "baseless". Knock it off with that stuff.

When people on here claim that it could only be because there was an off court issue then ya it is baseless as harsh as that sounds. The definitive nature of that conclusion is what irks me more so because no one is thinking of any other possibility.

Is it baseless when I know people he hangs out with every weekend?

[tecumseh18]

Fact is this team is in a win now? Why?

We are still one of the youngest teams in the league, lots of room for growth and development, we are far from win now, very far. See Miami, see Dallas, see San Antonio for examples of win now scenarios. Us, not even close.

Baseless means you are basing your assumptions on your own thoughts, which is baseless. If you have factual information on JJ not playing, then baseless would not apply. Do you have anything factual.

What is factual, is that you contradict yourself in the post above. Casey is not in a player development mode because of Jonas lack of 4rth quarter minutes? Yet playing Ross over JJ, the younger player that needs development is seen by yourself as a means of getting more 3 point shooting in our lineup. Which one is it, is Casey against playing younger players over older players as a means of winning now, or is Casey developing younger players over older players by getting Ross in the lineup?

Until you have facts to back your statements up, they are baseless. And there is nothing wrong with baseless statements, this forum is built on them. But lets not get our gitch in a knot because you get called out on your statements that you having nothing to back them up with, other than your subjective thoughts on the matter.

Contrary to popular belief, circumstantial evidence is still admissible evidence in a court of law. Given that finding the bloody knife with the accused's fingerprints on it is rare, circumstantial evidence usually the only evidence available. We should be entitled to draw inferences from a set of given "facts" without being accused of baseless speculation, or being conspiracy nuts.

And that's not even taking into account JJ's history with the team - the incident in Charlotte, yadda yadda.

I'm not contradicting myself, you're just confused. I was rhyming off all the possibilities for the current minute allocation.

And as for "win now", we've beaten Atlanta two out of three games. We crushed the Wizards. The East has to be considered wide open, and we've been in the thick of it without our all-star SG for much of it all season. Do you see Bruno or Bebe getting any action?

[RaptorsFan100]

Is he one a 1-year deal or longer?

[DUBmental]

Fact is this team is in a win now? Why?

We are still one of the youngest teams in the league, lots of room for growth and development, we are far from win now, very far. See Miami, see Dallas, see San Antonio for examples of win now scenarios. Us, not even close.

Baseless means you are basing your assumptions on your own thoughts, which is baseless. If you have factual information on JJ not playing, then baseless would not apply. Do you have anything factual.

What is factual, is that you contradict yourself in the post above. Casey is not in a player development mode because of Jonas lack of 4rth quarter minutes? Yet playing Ross over JJ, the younger player that needs development is seen by yourself as a means of getting more 3 point shooting in our lineup. Which one is it, is Casey against playing younger players over older players as a means of winning now, or is Casey developing younger players over older players by getting Ross in the lineup?

Until you have facts to back your statements up, they are baseless. And there is nothing wrong with baseless statements, this forum is built on them. But lets not get our gitch in a knot because you get called out on your statements that you having nothing to back them up with, other than your subjective thoughts on the matter.

Contrary to popular belief, circumstantial evidence is still admissible evidence in a court of law. Given that finding the bloody knife with the accused's fingerprints on it is rare, it's usually the only evidence available. We should be entitled to draw inferences from a set of given "facts" without being accused of baseless speculation, or being conspiracy nuts.

And that's not even taking into account JJ's history with the team - the incident in Charlotte, yadda yadda.

I'm not contradicting myself, you're just confused. I was rhyming off all the possibilities for the current minute allocation.

And as for "win now", we've beaten Atlanta two out of three games. We crushed the Wizards. The East has to be considered wide open, and we've been in the thick of it without our all-star SG for much of it all season. Do you see Bruno or Bebe getting any action?

we have an all-star SG? we have a SG who was once lucky to be an all star...

[SpiderMunn]

Is he one a 1-year deal or longer?

2.5 mil next season as well.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/toronto.htm

[MrBojangelz71]

Fact is this team is in a win now? Why?

We are still one of the youngest teams in the league, lots of room for growth and development, we are far from win now, very far. See Miami, see Dallas, see San Antonio for examples of win now scenarios. Us, not even close.

Baseless means you are basing your assumptions on your own thoughts, which is baseless. If you have factual information on JJ not playing, then baseless would not apply. Do you have anything factual.

What is factual, is that you contradict yourself in the post above. Casey is not in a player development mode because of Jonas lack of 4rth quarter minutes? Yet playing Ross over JJ, the younger player that needs development is seen by yourself as a means of getting more 3 point shooting in our lineup. Which one is it, is Casey against playing younger players over older players as a means of winning now, or is Casey developing younger players over older players by getting Ross in the lineup?

Until you have facts to back your statements up, they are baseless. And there is nothing wrong with baseless statements, this forum is built on them. But lets not get our gitch in a knot because you get called out on your statements that you having nothing to back them up with, other than your subjective thoughts on the matter.

Contrary to popular belief, circumstantial evidence is still admissible evidence in a court of law. Given that finding the bloody knife with the accused's fingerprints on it is rare, circumstantial evidence usually the only evidence available. We should be entitled to draw inferences from a set of given "facts" without being accused of baseless speculation, or being conspiracy nuts.

And that's not even taking into account JJ's history with the team - the incident in Charlotte, yadda yadda.

I'm not contradicting myself, you're just confused. I was rhyming off all the possibilities for the current minute allocation.

And as for "win now", we've beaten Atlanta two out of three games. We crushed the Wizards. The East has to be considered wide open, and we've been in the thick of it without our all-star SG for much of it all season. Do you see Bruno or Bebe getting any action?

And many times circumstantial evidence is determined to be baseless, and inadmissible in court. Or its admissible but easily torn apart. In other words, its weak sauce evidence trying to support something not worth supporting.

But you did mention the past of JJ in relations to Casey, from his previous stint with us, so it is not totally baseless. There is a history there that shows character flaws with JJ, so sure its not totally outlandish that JJ did something silly off court that is causing his DNP last night.

But you did interpret two player's minute distributions differently. JV's lack of 4rth quarter mins is seen as a win now method, while Ross's minutes, a player at the same point in his career as JV, as a win now sorta method over a developmental method.

[Raps in 4]

There is nothing to even suggest on off the court issue? Again your assumption of such an issue is baseless.

You can keep saying that, but that doesn't make it true. "Baseless" is strong word, and labelling the mere possibility of "behind the scenes" stuff going on as baseless is, frankly, baseless. And disrespectful to posters.

The fact is, this team is in win now mode, and can be expected to field its best players. Casey is not in a player development mode. That's the apparent justification for not playing Jonas in fourth quarters. So regardless of the holes in JJ's game, he's been a better player this year than Ross or GV, and it's fair for people to wonder what's going on.

The probability is that nothing is going on, that we just want more 3-point shooters out there especially with DeMar back, and/or that they just want to give T-Ross a minute surge to get his mojo back, and/or that they want cool JJ's propensity to gamble. I accept that. I've even argued in favour of some of them earlier in this thread. But that doesn't mean other possibilities are "baseless". Knock it off with that stuff.

When people on here claim that it could only be because there was an off court issue then ya it is baseless as harsh as that sounds. The definitive nature of that conclusion is what irks me more so because no one is thinking of any other possibility and claiming their subjective conclusions as fact.

Kind of like your comment on the previous page?

The answer to why JJ has not gotten minutes. Guess what it's exactly what I guessed earlier in the thread.

The article you use to back that up is mostly opinion with some hearsay reports of what the player/coach said publicly.

[MrBojangelz71]

we have an all-star SG? we have a SG who was once lucky to be an all star...

Did you pay attention to last season, or you just hopping on the bandwagon now?

Ya, he was one of the best SG's in the league last season, helped carry us to our best record ever, and showed up in the playoffs almost getting us to a second round.

Not sure but you sound like you have no understanding towards this game and what makes a player good, but Demar was an all star last season because he played like one.

Kids and their stupid statements.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

But you did interpret two player's minute distributions differently. JV's lack of 4rth quarter mins is seen as a win now method, while Ross's minutes, a player at the same point in his career as JV, as a win now sorta method over a developmental method.

I think you would have seen just as much JV in the 4th as you've seen of Ross this season if Amir went down for month instead of DD. Ross's additional minutes were still in line with Casey's win-always approach, it's just he saw more minutes out of team necessity with a thinned out back court. Now that DD is back, he has rarely been playing in crunch time and his minutes have dropped back down to even lower levels than JV.

[DUBmental]

we have an all-star SG? we have a SG who was once lucky to be an all star...

Did you pay attention to last season, or you just hopping on the bandwagon now?

Ya, he was one of the best SG's in the league last season, helped carry us to our best record ever, and showed up in the playoffs almost getting us to a second round.

Not sure but you sound like you have no understanding towards this game and what makes a player good, but Demar was an all star last season because he played like one.

Kids and their stupid statements.

blah blah blah. I don't even have time to argue with you fan boys anymore about mid range demar. other have backed up my feeling countless tines in countless threads. agree to disagree. Our team lives and dies with Kyle not Demar. anyways I have real life to live. Swag brought up some great points that I agree with 100%. read those. I got **** to do banna.

[MrBojangelz71]

we have an all-star SG? we have a SG who was once lucky to be an all star...

Did you pay attention to last season, or you just hopping on the bandwagon now?

Ya, he was one of the best SG's in the league last season, helped carry us to our best record ever, and showed up in the playoffs almost getting us to a second round.

Not sure but you sound like you have no understanding towards this game and what makes a player good, but Demar was an all star last season because he played like one.

Kids and their stupid statements.

blah blah blah. I don't even have time to argue with you fan boys anymore about mid range demar. other have backed up my feeling countless tines in countless threads. agree to disagree. Our team lives and dies with Kyle not Demar. anyways I have real life to live. Swag brought up some great points that I agree with 100%. read those. I got **** to do banna.

Yup, just the type of retort I would expect from a Demar cry baby.

We just saw what this team is without Demar, an average team fighting to be .500. Facts are facts.

And you recommending I read another posters comments because you agree with them, makes me not only not want to read their comments, but rather put them on ignore.

[deeps6x]

Like Casey or Johnson would go on the record and say it's off court stuff. Usually you don't take good players out of your line-up in favour or worse players, and this year JJ has been better than Vasquez and Ross. If he stepped out of line, he needed to be brought back to earth, but in order for us to be a better team he needs to play.

Not that this is a be all /end all stat, but if you look at PER, TRoss is a sad 11.44, GV a slightly less pathetic 12.81, and JJ a very respectable 17.53.

I really, really, really hope that the reason GV getting extra minutes, while JJ rots on the bench, is because MU wants to inflate his stats before the trade deadline.

Maybe this is best in the short term for the team, i.e., until the trade deadline, but I'd like to see Ross and JJ both getting minutes. Ross for the experience and growth he needs as a player, and JJ because my eye test (and PER apparently) tells me the team is so much better with him on the court than off.

[DUBmental]

Did you pay attention to last season, or you just hopping on the bandwagon now?

Ya, he was one of the best SG's in the league last season, helped carry us to our best record ever, and showed up in the playoffs almost getting us to a second round.

Not sure but you sound like you have no understanding towards this game and what makes a player good, but Demar was an all star last season because he played like one.

Kids and their stupid statements.

blah blah blah. I don't even have time to argue with you fan boys anymore about mid range demar. other have backed up my feeling countless tines in countless threads. agree to disagree. Our team lives and dies with Kyle not Demar. anyways I have real life to live. Swag brought up some great points that I agree with 100%. read those. I got **** to do banna.

Yup, just the type of retort I would expect from a Demar cry baby.

We just saw what this team is without Demar, an average team fighting to be .500. Facts are facts.

And you recommending I read another posters comments because you agree with them, makes me not only not want to read their comments, but rather put them on ignore.

you should. me too. I only said that as I'm at work busy and I'm using my phone. It's difficult to cut paste and sort through various facts with this tap talk.

have a good one bro. and just cuz I am a Demar hater I do hope he and the raps do well tonight. I always hope he does well. I want him to make me eat my words. He has some games but over all we can do better then Demar as a cornerstone. that's all.

[Tacoma]

There is nothing to even suggest on off the court issue? Again your assumption of such an issue is baseless.

You can keep saying that, but that doesn't make it true. "Baseless" is strong word, and labelling the mere possibility of "behind the scenes" stuff going on as baseless is, frankly, baseless. And disrespectful to posters.

The fact is, this team is in win now mode, and can be expected to field its best players. Casey is not in a player development mode. That's the apparent justification for not playing Jonas in fourth quarters. So regardless of the holes in JJ's game, he's been a better player this year than Ross or GV, and it's fair for people to wonder what's going on.

The probability is that nothing is going on, that we just want more 3-point shooters out there especially with DeMar back, and/or that they just want to give T-Ross a minute surge to get his mojo back, and/or that they want cool JJ's propensity to gamble. I accept that. I've even argued in favour of some of them earlier in this thread. But that doesn't mean other possibilities are "baseless". Knock it off with that stuff.

When people on here claim that it could only be because there was an off court issue then ya it is baseless as harsh as that sounds. The definitive nature of that conclusion is what irks me more so because no one is thinking of any other possibility and claiming their subjective conclusions as fact.

He's speculating just as you are and it's all baseless speculation (on both sides) because only the parties involved (Casey and JJ) and selected others on the team know the real truth.

You choose to believe Casey's PR blurb but to others, it could be considered political spin because it appears contrary to reality (e.g., JJ was playing better than Ross). You think there's "probability that nothing is going on" but others think the opposite. Just agree to disagree but I don't agree that you have any more basis than the opposing view.

[Raps in 4]

Did you pay attention to last season, or you just hopping on the bandwagon now?

Ya, he was one of the best SG's in the league last season, helped carry us to our best record ever, and showed up in the playoffs almost getting us to a second round.

Not sure but you sound like you have no understanding towards this game and what makes a player good, but Demar was an all star last season because he played like one.

Kids and their stupid statements.

blah blah blah. I don't even have time to argue with you fan boys anymore about mid range demar. other have backed up my feeling countless tines in countless threads. agree to disagree. Our team lives and dies with Kyle not Demar. anyways I have real life to live. Swag brought up some great points that I agree with 100%. read those. I got **** to do banna.

Yup, just the type of retort I would expect from a Demar cry baby.

We just saw what this team is without Demar, an average team fighting to be .500. Facts are facts.

And you recommending I read another posters comments because you agree with them, makes me not only not want to read their comments, but rather put them on ignore.

Demar was a horribly inefficient player last year, and continues to be one this season. He does some things well, but he also has a ton of flaws. Whether you want to call him a all-star or not doesn't matter (it's just a silly label). The reality is that he's a good player, but not even close to a great one.

And our record was just over .500 without Demar because we went through the toughest part of our entire schedule during that time. It's more than likely that we would have had the same record with him in the lineup.

[MrBojangelz71]

Demar was a horribly inefficient player last year, and continues to be one this season. He does some things well, but he also has a ton of flaws. Whether you want to call him a all-star or not doesn't matter (it's just a silly label). The reality is that he's a good player, but not even close to a great one.

And our record was just over .500 without Demar because we went through the toughest part of our entire schedule during that time. It's more than likely that we would have had the same record with him in the lineup.

WTF are you even talking about? Horribly inefficient?

You are aware that we all watched last season and can verify you haven't even the slightest clue.

This site has some of the brightest posters, and some of the dumbest. Guess what side you are on?

According to your sound logic, most SG's in the league are "horribly inefficient" compared to what Demar put up last season. See, if you just spoke to facts, opposed to your silly narrative that is almost insulting in that you might believe I am dumb enough, ignorant enough, and possibly I do not even watch games, that I would mildly accept your absurd opening sentence in your ignorant statement above.

The only thing you accomplished is showing me that you are not worth paying attention to.

[MikeM]

All I've learned in this thread is that James Johnson is better than Ross and GV even though he's likely still drunk from the night before.

[xaser]

All I've learned in this thread is that James Johnson is better than Ross and GV even though he's likely still drunk from the night before.

Agreed, but as Jack would say, GET THAT GARBAGE OUTTA HERE. If you wanna develop a good culture (think SA), you don't reward such behaviour.